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GabyBaby posted 6/11/2011 20:54 PM

"A Dance with Dragons", the long awaited next in line book of the "Song of Fire and Ice" series will be out next month (Jul 12)!!!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this fantasy series, it is utterly fantastic. The books in the series are:
1. A Game of Thrones
2. A Clash of Kings
3. A Storm of Swords
4. A Feast for Crows
5. A Dance with Dragons (to be released Jul 12)

This review from sums it up VERY nicely:

By MISTER SJEM "sonofhotpie
This review is from: A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) (Mass Market Paperback)

First off, I'm a heavy duty fan of GRRM. I've read over a 100 different fantasy authors in my time (started at 12; I'm now 32). Took about 5 years off from the genre b/c I felt it was all getting too formulaic and cliched.

So, when I came back to fantasy at the end of 1999, I read the usual: Goodkind, Jordan, etc. and then someone told me about GRRM and man, that was the kicker!

Here are the reasons to choose GRRM. I've also listed the reasons not to choose him to make it fair b/c I know their are certain personalities who won't like this series:


(1) YOU ARE TIRED OF FORMULAIC FANTASY: good lad beats the dark lord against impossible odds; boy is the epitome of good; he and all his friends never die even though they go through great dangers . . . the good and noble king; the beautiful princess who falls in love with the commoner boy even though their stations are drastically different . . . you get the idea. After reading this over and over, it gets old.

(2) YOU ARE TIRED OF ALL THE HEROES STAYING ALIVE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE UNDER CONSTANT DANGER: this gets even worse where the author kills a main hero off but that person comes back later in the story. Or, a hero does die but magic brings him back.

This sometimes carries to minor characters where even they may not die, but most fantasy authors like to kill them off to show that some risked the adventure and perished.


(4) YOU LOVE SERIOUS INTRIGUE WITHOUT STUPID OPPONENTS: lots of layering; lots of intrigue; lots of clever players in the game of thrones. Unlike other fantasy novels, one side, usually the villain, is stupid or not too bright.

(5) YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BIASED OPINIONS AND DIFFERENT TRUTHS: GRRM has set this up where each chapter has the title of one character and the whole chapter is through their viewpoint. Interesting tidbit is that you get their perception of events or truths. But, if you pay attention, someone else will mention a different angle of truth in the story that we rarely see in other novels. Lastly and most importantly, GRRM doesn't try to tell us which person is right in their perception. He purposelly leaves it vague so that we are kept guessing.

(6) LEGENDS: some of the most interesting characters are those who are long gone or dead. We never get the entire story but only bits and pieces; something that other fantasy authors could learn from to heighten suspense. Additionally, b/c the points of views are not congruent, we sometimes get different opinions.

(7) WORDPLAY: if you're big on metaphors and description, GRRM is your guy. Almost flawless flow.

(8) LOTS OF CONFLICT: all types, too; not just fighting but between characters through threats and intrigue.

(9) MULTILAYERED PLOTTING; SUB PLOTS GALORE: each character has their own separate storyline; especially as the story continues and everyone gets scattered. This is one of the reasons why each novel is between 700-900 pages.

(10) SUPERLATIVE VARIED CHARACTERS: not the typical archetypes that we are used to in most fantasy; some are gritty; few are totally evil or good; GRRM does a great job of changing our opinions of characters as the series progress. This is especially true of Jaime in book three.

(11) REALISTIC MEDIEVAL DIALOGUE: not to the point that we can't understand it but well done.

(12) HEAPS OF SYMOBLISM AND PROPHECY: if you're big on that.

(13) EXCELLENT MYSTERIES: very hard to figure out the culprits; GRRM must have read a lot of mystery novels.

(14) RICHLY TEXTURED FEMALE CHARACTERS: best male author on female characters I have read; realistic on how women think, too.

(15) LOW MAGIC WORLD: magic is low key; not over the top so heroes can't get out of jams with it.


(1) YOU LIKE YOUR MAIN CHARACTERS: GRRM does a good job of creating more likeable characters after a few die. But, if that isn't your style, you shouldn't be reading it. He kills off several, not just one, so be warned.

(2) DO NOT CARE FOR GRITTY GRAY CHARACTERS: if you like more white and gray characters, this may unsettle you. I suggest Feist or Goodkind or Dragonlance if you want a more straight forward story with strong archetypes.

(3) MULTIPLE POINTS OF VIEWS TURN YOU OFF: if you prefer that the POVS only go to a few characters, this might be confusing for you.

(4) SWEARING, SEX: there's a lot of it in this book just as there is in real life.

(5) YOU DEMAND CLOSURE AT THE END OF EVERY BOOK: this isn't the case for all stories in the series. Some are still going on; some have been resolved; others have been created and are moving on.

(6) IF YOU WANT A TARGET OR SOMEONE TO BLAME: this can be done to some extent but not as much. This is b/c he doesn't try to make anyone necessarily good or evil.

(7) ARCHETYPES: some readers like archetypal characters because it's comfortable; we like the good young hero (sort of like Pug in Feist's THE RIFTWAR SAGA); it's familiar and we sometimes like to pretend we're this upcoming, great hero. You wont' get much of this in GRRM with the exception of one or two characters.

(8) LENGTH: you don't want to get into a long fantasy epic series. In that case, look for shorters works as this is biiig.

(9) PATRIARCHY: men are most of the main characters with lots of power (one female exception).

[This message edited by GabyBaby at 10:02 PM, June 11th (Saturday)]

GabyBaby posted 6/11/2011 21:00 PM

And now I'm off to reread all of the books before the new one comes out!

boudicca posted 6/12/2011 14:02 PM

Are you watching Game of Thrones on HBO? It is really good.

GabyBaby posted 6/12/2011 16:28 PM

We dont get HBO and the series isnt available on Netflix yet. I am eagerly anticipating being able to watch soon though!

boudicca posted 6/12/2011 16:43 PM

Oh good!

I did not know it was coming to netflix. I'll let my sister-in-law know. She loved the books, but doesn't have cable.

Fighting2Survive posted 6/12/2011 21:28 PM

I haven't read the books but we are watching the series. BFF has read all the books and says the series is a good adaptation. I'm planning to start reading "A Game of Thrones" in a couple of weeks.

Fighting2Survive posted 6/28/2011 12:55 PM

Okay, I have now read all the books and I'm going through serious withdrawal.

I do not know if I can make it until the 12th without a fix.

I also think I'm in love with the Queen of Thorns.

GabyBaby posted 6/28/2011 13:34 PM

Isnt this a fantastic series?! I love the characters and their respective development.
There are so many twists and turns, it is unreal.

I sooo want to see the series, but Netflix is being a cow about getting them on DVD.

Only a couple weeks left til the new book....FINALLY!!!

Fighting2Survive posted 6/28/2011 21:14 PM

They have been so engaging that I couldn't put them down.

The HBO series is really good. I started watching it and then wanted to read the books. I'd avoided them before because the series isn't complete, but HBO caused a failure of my resolve.

WarpSpeed posted 6/28/2011 21:25 PM

I started reading Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time 20 FREAKING years ago and the story isn't done yet 12 books in . . . and the author is dead . . . so they had to get a new guy to finish it.

I started A Song of Ice and Fire and have read the first four . . . but I'm NOT reading any more until it is DONE! Great stuff, but I HATE the waiting.

Vent over . . .

[This message edited by WarpSpeed at 9:26 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)]

GabyBaby posted 6/28/2011 21:38 PM

I too got stuck in The Wheel of Time. It sucks that a different author gets to 'finish' the story. That ruins the feel of it for me.

I wonder if there will be a sixth in the Fire and Ice series. I guess we'll find out soon enough!

WarpSpeed posted 6/28/2011 21:44 PM

When Sanderson was signed to finish Wheel of Time and they said it would be done that fall . . . I re-read all 10 books and 7000 or so pages to be up to date for the finish . . . aaarrrggghhhh . . . and then Sanderson said he needed three books to wrap it up.

Actually love the series . . . just want to finish.

Give Joe Abercrombie or Patrick Rothfus a try for some different kind of Fantasy that is darn good.

Take2 posted 6/28/2011 22:44 PM

Wheel of Time, Game of Thrones,
and the Rune Lords... none of them finished...but all worth waiting for

For those in New England, I heard George RR Martin is signing books in Boston on the 12th!

trying_2_recover posted 6/28/2011 23:44 PM

FYI you can find the series on sites like sidereel. That is how I watched it. I am now back and rereading the books.

GabyBaby posted 6/29/2011 00:15 AM

Thanks Trying! I'll check out the site tomorrow!

Lionne posted 7/4/2011 19:23 PM

I am an avid Spec Fic and Fantasy reader and I am just not feeling it. I am halfway through the first book. It's okay. Not compelling. Am I missing something? Has it just not gotten to the good part yet? Help me out folks, I want to be a believer!

Fighting2Survive posted 7/4/2011 20:53 PM

It gets much better toward the end of the book. By the second book, I was hooked.

And I'm not a big fantasy reader. This series just sucked me in.

GabyBaby posted 7/4/2011 20:57 PM

The first half of the first book lays a lot of ground work. Fighting is the end of the first book and into the second, you're not going to be able to put this series down!

Lionne posted 7/4/2011 22:30 PM

OK. Not giving up!

GabyBaby posted 7/5/2011 13:33 PM

FYI you can find the series on sites like sidereel. That is how I watched it. I am now back and rereading the books.
Trying_2, I checked into this over the long weekend and wasnt able to view the movies.
From what I read, HBO keeps a tight hold on their material. Do you have a link for us non-HBO subscribers?


[This message edited by GabyBaby at 1:36 PM, July 5th (Tuesday)]

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