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SierraGrace posted 8/11/2011 11:47 AM

Narcissistic Lovers by Cynthia Zayn and Keven Dibble, M.S.

Has anyone read it and did it resonate?

My IC gave me this book this past weekend when I did a follow up after not seeing her for a while, and after the events of last week. I wish she'd have given it to me sooner....could have saved another year or more of this bullshit.

I'm only on Chapter 6 but it's like reading about my life over the past 6 years with xSO who exhibits almost every trait of NPD. It's sickening and enlightening all at the same time. I wished I'd known about this book 5 1/2 years ago...the pain and years wasted that could have been avoided.

Just wanted to let you all know and see if anyone has read it. Y.I.K.E.S.

neverbelieve posted 8/12/2011 07:51 AM

I downloaded this yesterday based on your recommendation. You're right - it's a fantastic book and a little strange to read. It's like someone was watching my life through a window for the most part.

I'm really enjoying this, thank you for the recommendation.

SierraGrace posted 8/12/2011 09:54 AM too.. I'm trying to read it every chance I get and keep getting hit upside the head with how accurate the behavior is.

xSO is NOT officially diagnosed by the way. But from EVERYTHING I've told my IC...he fits the bill and saw that within the first few pages...

neverbelieve posted 8/12/2011 10:34 AM

Same here - undiagnosed but my IC said that he seems to fit the bill and from everything I've read, he is exactly what they describe.

heart_in_a_blend posted 8/12/2011 12:53 PM

Narcissistic Lovers. That is an oxymoron since narcissistic people only love themselves. Or so I have read.

I know what you mean, and I looked at the book on Amazon and read a few chapters. Looks scary to me especially since so much of it applies to my situation.

SierraGrace posted 8/13/2011 22:02 PM

Really...why did we have to learn about this AFTER the fact. Would have been nice to know what to look out for before hand.

Like in high school..they should have taught math, history, science, economics and PERSONALITY DISORDERS TO BEWARE OF!!

TryingToBreathe posted 8/13/2011 23:13 PM

why did we have to learn about this AFTER the fact. Would have been nice to know what to look out for before hand.


I'd love to borrow this book once you've finished with it, Sierra.

SierraGrace posted 8/14/2011 08:30 AM

TTB, it was actually a loaner from my IC but I put in on my wish list on a paperbackswap group I belong to. There are a few others ahead of me waiting for it so it may take a while to get. Another girlfriend wants to read it also, so I may just buy it to pass around. This one will ultimately be a keeper but I'd happily lend it out when I get my own copy!!

neverbelieve posted 8/15/2011 08:54 AM

I'm re-reading it already. It's scary how true it all is, and it's honestly depressing. It's just so easy to get sucked in by these people.

I have it on kindle or I'd send it out to anyone wanting it, but I can't recommend it enough if you're dealing with one of these creatures.

And yes, personality disorders should be a class in high school, as should "signs you're being cheated on"!

cmego posted 8/15/2011 21:21 PM

Holy crap! I just read the preview on WS exactly. Even when the mention about how they would take credit for our ideas! WS did that all the time, then when I would correct him (hello, idea!) he would look at me like I was crazy. Like he was POSITIVE that he'd come up with that idea. And boy, FOO issues with his mother!! I might need to read this book!

neverbelieve posted 8/16/2011 08:41 AM

I actually read a passage to my WH last night. I told him what I was reading and said I was reading it because I found his brain fascinating. Of course, he insisted he wasn't NPD (shocking!!). Then I read the passage. It was basically 5 or 6 lines of excuses they'll make for being cruel (eliminating wasted time), abusive (trying to educate) and for rage episodes (he's frustrated with my inability to understand). He's used every one of those excuses on me, and after him deflecting to store purchases or strangers, I told him he'd used them on me. He looked at me funny, denied it, and went downstairs.

I'm so on to him.

Everyone, read this book!!!

SierraGrace posted 8/21/2011 19:59 PM

I finally finished this book. The identical behavior is just uncanny. I wish I'd know about this years ago...I wouldn't have been banging my head against the wall for so long trying to figure him out...why is it he can't be honest about anything, has no empathy...just is so different than most people!! He's all over the pages of this book...NPD...NPD...NPD!

The only thing I'm feeling is missing though is the actual: How to cope, Recover and Move On...which is a pretty important part.

Did anyone else get answers from it that I may have missed since I took my time reading it? All I gather from it is to detach and go NC when possible, but thought it would get further into what WE can do after having been with and lost ourselves to a partner with NPD

Jpapageorge posted 8/21/2011 22:45 PM

Dear SierraGrace, on your reccomendation I bought this book on Amazon (along with some smutty new cookbooks). I have never in my life made so many audible exclamations, including a few words that would get my mouth washed out with soap, while reading a book.
I am truly scared at how much the information in this book mirrors my life and relationship with WXGF.
If you have any more reccomendations please forward them since with this reccomendation I now accept your opinion on books as Gospel given directly from God. (sorry for the heresy)
p.s. "OMFG this s--t is really f-----g incredible and eye opening."

[This message edited by Jpapageorge at 10:45 PM, August 21st (Sunday)]

SierraGrace posted 8/21/2011 23:09 PM

Hi JP! You cracked me up with your comment (about my book rec's now being Gospel) but my IC is the one to thank. She lent me this book. The funny thing is I saw her from fall '09 to fall '10 on the premise that he might be SA since she is a CSAT. Now I just see her occasionally. She may have mentioned the NPD in passing previously but this most recent check-in, the fact he still manages to pull me back into his drama, she really nailed him as NPD (though she can't diagnose since she's never met him) so she lent me this book and WHAT AN EYE OPENER!

I'm with you about how it mirrored our relationship too, oh so scary. It was nice that they didn't just gear the book toward male NPD but had female examples too, which obviously resonated with you also JP.

I too now want to read any and everything I can get my hands on about this NPD business. I'm STILL trying to figure out how to do the NC with him. Half of his furniture is STILL in my home (by design I'm sure so he can continue to keep that connection)'s like he still has these tentacles wrapped around me that I can't disengage from permanently, not for lack of trying...but damn, he's really good at this NPD stuff.

I too will take any and all NPD rec's anyone can offer!!

Jpapageorge posted 8/22/2011 02:58 AM

So the gospel according to SG came from God through a therapist and was written by you? (Again with the blasphemy? I even went to church today and now I hve to spend more time in conffession.)

I started my research with facts I knew-FOO, Adult child of Alcoholic, childhood and adult sexual abuse- and now I "find" possible NPD attributes. Egads, this makes understanding us much easier.

Thanks again for pointing me in the direction of this book Venerable SierraGrace.(Sainthood requires three miracles)

SierraGrace posted 8/28/2011 18:11 PM

FYI...rather than start a new thread...along the lines of the same topic, I'm now reading:
The Object of my Affection is in my Reflection: Coping with Narcissists by Rokelle Lerner

Another incredibly insightful book...

PhoenixRisen posted 6/22/2012 21:27 PM

Wow, just read the preview of Narcisstic Lovers and was on page 1 when my mouth fell open. Page 2: I gasped out loud. Bottom of page 2: I literally leap back in my seat.

Everything matches word by word. Even the quotes the authors used as examples I remember WS SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING. It's like the author is quoting WS.

I can't believe I taken in. I'm supposed to be smart. how did I not notice this before?

I feel like I just hit by a truck, side swiped out of the blue.

I'm reeling.

I think I need a IC appointment.

Lovedyoumore posted 7/12/2012 11:28 AM

Another book that helped was The Wizard of Oz and Other Narcissists. Not sure who the author is. My WH was convicted by that book.

m334455 posted 7/12/2012 12:59 PM

You know, the more I read and learned about NPD, the less painful I found my WH's attitudes and actions.

I view him more as someone who has a hidden disability. That doesn't mean I don't require proper treatment from him, but I know that the BS her shovels my way isn't really personal. It's so textbook/classic it has more to do with my "job" as WIFE than me, per se.

That's not to say it didn't hurt before I knew all this, but it changed my perspective in a huge way. Now I just think "WOW that is not OK, but he would do that to anyone wearing these shoes; it's not me" and then I act.

timestandsstill posted 7/28/2012 16:17 PM

Like in high school..they should have taught math, history, science, economics and PERSONALITY DISORDERS TO BEWARE OF!!


One other resource I found helpful for getting over a relationship with an N was Melanie Tonia Evans' (?) articles and recordings online. (not free though)

There is another resource I downloaded also on getting over N's; if I find the name I'll post it.

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