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damncutekitty posted 10/12/2011 21:17 PM

I have been on this kick of downloading free books onto my Nook. I have been reading a TON. Sometimes two novels a night. I've discovered a few literary gems here and there, but mostly it's cheesy romance or fantasy stuff.

I have noticed this thing about romances involving vampires. Maybe everyone is just copying the Twilight books now, but in novels where the romantic characters are vamps, the vamps don't kill anymore. They still drink blood, but in a much less deadly way. The novel I just finished reading features vamps that mesmerize their victims and only need a few sips of blood a night, and their saliva has healing properties so the 'victims' don't even notice a bite mark the next morning. Another novel featured vamps that only drank from willing human groupies, who they also did not kill.

I suppose I can't complain too much. If I wanted better books I could pay for them. But is it wrong that I find the modern, "kinder gentler" vampire to be way less sexy?

I think I might have to shell out for some Anne Rice classics or something.

poopylala posted 10/12/2011 22:12 PM

Oo I like them because they seem much more realistic. But I love when they have vampy sex because they can bite each other (according to the vamp series I read, "real vampires") and the idea of biting is very hot to me.

I don't read twilight, I'm a harry potter fanatic and I prefer HP to twilight. RPatz just annoys me. He's so.... ugh.

ladyvorkosigan posted 10/13/2011 05:43 AM

Hrm. That isn't just SMeyers, though. Vampires who mez their victims, lick the wounds closed, feed from willing (usually "addicted") groupies, some choose to drink from animals, vamps who use blood banks, etc., far predate the likes of SMeyers. Certainly, I encountered every one of those in the early 90s playing Vampire: The Masquerade.

*Her* contribution to the fail is vampires that can go out into the sun. WTF?!

damncutekitty posted 10/13/2011 07:41 AM

LadyV- I wonder what happened that made people start writing about these whimpy vamps?

Crossbow posted 10/13/2011 10:58 AM

LadyV, you don't mind her writing "style?" That pissed me off way more than any other thing about the Twilight books. SUCKO. Infuriating. She did write some interesting characters, though, which is probably what kept these books from sinking to the depths.

Crossbow posted 10/13/2011 11:10 AM

I have been enjoying the Lee Nez vampire mysteries by Aimee and David Thurlo. Mind, they are mysteries and not romance novels.

Their Navajo character is only half-vamp due to the early intervention of a hataalii (Navajo healer). He *can* go into the sun if he wears hat, powerful sunglasses, long sleeves and pants, and tons of sunblock, although he can't stay long (thus has night patrols). He has the night vision, speed and strength, but not that of a full vampire, and has to use his wits and police skills to defeat the "real" ones in any confrontation.

Makes for an interesting read, for him to have some of the abilities (though somewhat diminished) and detriments of real vamps. Also navigating the issue of keeping the never-aging thing secret while being involved with law enforcement helps keep things interesting.

The vampire/Navajo combination is pretty cool.

David Thurlo grew up on the Navajo Rez (Shiprock, NM area), so the voice of authenticity rings true. The Thurlos still live in NM, some 30 miles northwest of Albuquerque.

[This message edited by Crossbow at 11:11 AM, October 13th (Thursday)]

tkd1 posted 10/14/2011 20:25 PM

OMG, Cross, I will HAVE to find that! I love Tony Hillerman, and other writers of Navajo mysteries, and the added supernatural seems like a sure hit for me.

Thera77 posted 10/15/2011 00:03 AM

*Her* contribution to the fail is vampires that can go out into the sun. WTF?!

Didn't that start with Vampire Diaries in the 90's? Or was it White-wolf. Seems to me there have been a few random vamps in series that were daywalkers. Although they mostly just tried to fit in, as opposed to glowing.

NewAttitude posted 10/15/2011 00:15 AM

Saw the BEST T shirt the other day!

It was all black and it said "...and then Buffy staked Edward. The End."

Crossbow posted 10/16/2011 10:37 AM

TKD, I only stumbled into Navajo books accidentally (as I find most new authors/genres, LOL), and became very interested in Hillerman's books. I'm reading them in order and pacing myself so I don't get through them all too soon.

Somehow I started reading the Thurlos' Ella Clah mystery series (she's former FBI turned Tribal cop on the Rez, struggles with her attitudes towards growing up Navajo and having lived off-Rez for years). They're pretty good, but I like the Lee Nez books a lot better.

I'm not a vampire fan in general, although the Sookie books are fun. My W reads supernatural romance, so she's up to her neck in vampire stories.

SisterMilkshake posted 10/16/2011 12:32 PM

Have you tried the "Undead" series by Mary Janice Davidson, damncutekitty?

They are a vampire romance series with the bonus of the vampires living in Minneapolis. I love it, very light and funny and sexy.

Only Betsy, the vampire queen, can walk in the sun!

damncutekitty posted 10/16/2011 17:33 PM

SMS- NO I have not, but I think I need to. I have mostly been reading random free stuff that I find online. Really random and not always really good.

Crossbow posted 10/16/2011 19:54 PM

SMS, my W really likes those. She'll read parts of them aloud, and they're hilarious.

Fighting2Survive posted 10/16/2011 20:34 PM

Like Crossbow, I'm not a vampire novel fan but I do enjoy the Sookie books (kitschy as they are, they are fun reads). Part of the appeal for me is that her vampires aren't defanged. She gives them a softer edge, but it is very clear that their natures aren't human. Watching Sookie dance with the dark side while struggling to reconcile the dark nature of vampires with her human one is part of the adventure.

Anne Rice's vampires were also fun to read since her were stereotypical representations of all the forbidden elements that vampires represent.

Stephanie Meyers... ugh. I read the books and was not impressed. Vampire lore is built around our deepest fears. Turning them into compassionate humans and it destroys the meaning of the myths.

I do agree that there is a glut of vampire books on the market. I'm just waiting for it to pass- just like all the pet stories after the success of Marley and Me.

damncutekitty posted 10/16/2011 20:53 PM

I read the first Sookie Stackhouse novel, but I don't think I can read the rest of them. The show is awesome but the books are too much Sookie, and that girl annoys the bejeebuz out of me.

Maxiom posted 10/16/2011 22:00 PM

Didn't that start with Vampire Diaries in the 90's? Or was it White-wolf. Seems to me there have been a few random vamps in series that were daywalkers. Although they mostly just tried to fit in, as opposed to glowing.

Actually, this began with Bram Stoker himself. Dracula powers were greatly reduced in the sunlight, but he was otherwise unharmed.

Fighting2Survive posted 10/16/2011 23:08 PM

I read the first Sookie Stackhouse novel, but I don't think I can read the rest of them. The show is awesome but the books are too much Sookie, and that girl annoys the bejeebuz out of me.

Sookie can be annoying and very naive, but Eric and Pam make the books really fun. They have larger roles later in the series and they are my favorite characters, mainly because they are real vampires. You see them trying to curb their natures to fit in with humans to some degree, but they don't really pull that off. Plus, they both have acerbic senses of humor (my preferred brand).

The series is definitely not high literature, but it's good for ocassional entertainment. And it is very different from the HBO series. I enjoy them both, but they are very different creatures.

ladyvorkosigan posted 10/17/2011 07:08 AM

LadyV, you don't mind her writing "style?"
I only made it through the first one. I don't remember much about it except thinking that it sounded like a blog, and there was no action. As in nothing happened. No plot. Something was shoved in at the end about a kidnapping or something.
Dracula powers were greatly reduced in the sunlight, but he was otherwise unharmed.
But all that happens when Meyers vamps go outside is they sparkle. They dazzle girls. So really, their powers increase.

dck, I think a couple of strands came together in the late 20th century that led the way. Dark Shadows in the 60s, for example. The vampire in that was a romantic lead. Not a Lestat or Saint-Germain type rock star sex symbol but actually like a shippertastic romantic lead. Another thread is AIDS. Vampirism has a history of being used as a metaphor for disease, particularly STDs, so it was natural the interest should re-emerge during the 80s. But in modern times, we tend to have more sympathy for those suffering from disease (though obviously plenty of unpleasant people felt no sympathy for AIDS victims) so the take was going to be different. And vampires (and other Others) started being used not just as objects of desire but you could *play* them, RPGs started coming out where you played vampires. A shift just happened, and it wasn't just vampires. It was a cultural shift in sympathetic reinterpretations of old monsters. 90s you started getting things like Wicked, these very deliberate "Hey, the villain has their OWN POINT OF VIEW and maybe isn't so villainous, everyone is the hero of their own story, blah blah" things. Video games came out where one of your options would be to play a monster. It became cool to call yourself a nerd. It's all connected.

Eventually, sympathy for the devil results in a desire to bang the devil. Then everybody banged the devil until there wasn't even a devil anymore. Stephenie Meyers is just the tail, not the dog.

And now we have zombies. Zombie popularity to me represents this last ditch effort to come up with an unfuckable devil. Also coincides culturally with a growing sense that one is surrounded by a dangerous unindividuated totally mindless mob that absolutely cannot be reasoned with and only exists to destroy.

Now, it should be noted that I have recently read a series in which a vaguely fuckable *zombie* was brought into play, but that series was written by a straight (and way pervy) guy. So, it's not my team's fault. As far as I know, Team Girl remains aware that one does not want to run the risk of anything's rotting dick being left behind in an orifice.

[This message edited by ladyvorkosigan at 7:10 AM, October 17th (Monday)]

Crossbow posted 10/17/2011 10:18 AM

F2S, Pam rocks.

I like how Harris "grows" her characters throughout the series. They aren't "template" books, the characters grow (or diminish?) and change as events take place around them. I find the Sookie books to be really fun reads.

[This message edited by Crossbow at 1:52 PM, October 17th (Monday)]

livetotell posted 10/17/2011 11:35 AM

As far as I know, Team Girl remains aware that one does not want to run the risk of anything's rotting dick being left behind in an orifice.

Amen to that Lady V! I think you are now my official literary hero (even though you are not a literary character, you rep the book club forum for me - hence literary hero....)

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