Do you know, today he asked me if I was going to send him the link?
It is the very, very first glimpse of his showing kindness to anything I've tried to say or interest in learning anything about it.
My hopes are not up, please don't anyone think that, but I'm a little tiny bit pleased that he didn't just yell at me.
I told him about the Wayward threads (he said, "what's a wayward? and I said "You are!" and how so many stories relate to him and what he did to us.
The reason for my question is because I could picture him discovering my screen name and dissecting my posts and possibly using them against me.
I don't think it really means anything much that he asked to look at it, but I was surprised.
Has anyone ever copied/pasted posts of particular note and what are the rules for this? Do I ask the authors, or mods, or is it ever heard of to ask a WS to "speak" with him in a one-on-one way electornically?
Is there any benefit to it?
A person is a person, no matter how small. -Dr. Suess
Perserverance and spirit have done wonders in all ages.
Henry Ford invented cars to pick uo girls. Damon Wayne
The waywards who get the most out of SI are the waywards who find it for themselves, imo. Actions speak louder than words, and someone who wants to get help will do the google search it takes to find SI, kwim?
Pretty pretty please, don't you ever ever feel
Like you're less than, less than perfect
It is what it is.
I'm glad I hesitated.
I know exactly what you mean.
More from the heart if they do it themselves?
He's done too much damage to take back, but it would be nice if he'd think and really realize what he did.
Does that make any sense?
Knowing him, he'd come and correct everyone, lol!
Married: 11 years, no kids
Character is destiny
WH says marriage is over: May 15, 2009.
EA#2 July 20, 2009. Legally sep: Aug 16, 2009. DIVORCED!!!! Signed Nov 23, final Dec 24, 2010, adultery listed.
I wouldn't tell him about SI.
Me neither. This was supposed to be my healing space, but my ex was reading my posts like a loser. What's the point, honestly? I guess he didn't think what he did warranted the need for me to heal.
We accept the love we think we deserve. "The Perks of Being a Wallflower."
I know someone with a wh and he never knew anything about this site and didn't have to be told what to do, he did everything and more just by knowing what he had to do to save his family.
There are 100s of thought provoking posts there.
ďWe must let go of the life we have planned, so as to accept the one that is waiting for us.Ē
Didn't matter. He never gave enough of a crap to ever look at it.
The others are right....if they want help, they can find it. We did.
[This message edited by SadMad2012 at 12:24 AM, April 25th (Thursday)]
As you are divorcing, there is no real harm in doing so. It is not like something you have said can destroy your relationship, because, as I understand, there is no relationship left.
There are WSís that are incapable to understand the damage they have caused. On top of this, I think that generally, men are less intuitive than women, anyway. It would definitely give your husband more information about your real thoughts and feelings, and the abundance of information can only lead to knowledge. And that, canít be bad. In situations like ours, written words are laid out on the pages of SI without a chance of conflict or fight. They can be read over and over again, analyzed, thought about, referenced. It can only make positive change in your husband, if he is willing to change at all. It might make him think, if he is willing to think. It will teach him something if he wantís to learn. If he doesnít, you will lose nothing.
I agree that this is your safe place to be, but I donít see why it wouldnít be once you tell your husband about this site. There are many rules here to protect BSís, and I guess, if you donít follow them, you will be thrown out. I agree that he can find this site himself, too. As I understand, from your post, heís got no idea about what this whole SI universe means. My wife directed me to this site and for the last 2 years I have been reading posts, I can tell you that I have changed my ideas about SI more than once. When I first started reading I was so confused about everything, especially myself, that I wasnít really getting the most of the site. The funny thing is that it was I that discovered this site even before her, but didnít bother reading because I was obsessed with finding the site for Sex Addicts only, and SI had references mostly to less frequent infidelities and from my perspective, those were things far less ďseriousĒ to the amount of terror I have caused. Little I knew at that time that all of that was a question of heart and mind, and that the ďsmallestĒ infidelities and the ďbiggestĒ ones had one thing in common Ė the destruction they have caused to the innocent spouse. Yes, I would have eventually found this site, but it would be 3 or 6 months later, and I think that I would have lost some precious time. Another aspect, too, is that once I got courage to post I got many valuable advices. Every time I was out of line or touch, 2x4 would start flying in. On the WSís section I found myself in the good company, quite a few wise veterans whose words I would respect. Not a single bad advice came my direction, and if it ever would have, mechanics and dynamics of this site would soon make it completely irrelevant with the abundance of the good advices. Many times I have been advised by BSís too and that helped me to get the further understanding of the universe. That abundance of information became knowledge. I donít pretend to say that Iím a different man, that I become good as opposed to bad, that I have used that knowledge correctly, just simply stating that I have more knowledge than I had 2 years ago.
But still, I want you to take this advice of mine with the pinch of salt. Being an Sex Addict I have demonstrated serious emotional, intimacy and empathy problems. I might not be able as a SA or WS to understand how much a place like SI, the private and secluded side of it means to BSís. I donít want to take this away from any BS and I apologize upfront to all the previous posters if I didnít understand the magnitude of this need properly. What also worries me is that there is not a single BS yet that has confirmed that giving away this place has done something good for them. Therefore I will restrict this comment to my thoughts only and to my experience and to the fact that Iím WS and I wanted you to hear the voice from the other side.
If you were working to reconcile, I'd definitely say bring him in, but not if D/S is your "home" on SI.
quite a few people actually censor themselves when they post in fear that their stbx is lurking
I was one of them. My concern was that anything I posted would be used in an attempt to manipulate me. (he didn't want a D he wanted the marriage where he got to cheat, and I was ignorant and stuck). You can't achieve NC with STBX when they have a portal into what you are feeling, thinking, worrying about. I still censor what I say at times - or PM rather than poke a bear that might be lurking - cause frankly I don't want to deal with anything from that quarter.
During the D - I didn't feel I could ask questions: Is this realistic? Is this a bad idea? Can I use this as leverage? Has anyone else done this? Should I let him take _______? And I never tore off a good rant, or a good cry - cause my phone would have lit up incessantly.
I wish I had kept SI my safe place.
No, I wouldn't give him a link to the site. If he was remorseful and wanted to R, then I would say yes, but he is not. This is your safe place to vent, share your feelings, and get advice.
I tried to get my WH#2 to join after DDay#2 when he said he wanted to R. I was in the belief at the time that he was remorseful and wanted to fix our marriage. I soon discovered he only wanted to sweep everything under the rug and act like his 3yr LTA never happened. He refused to read books, articles, or anything else that might help him to realize what he had done to me and our marriage. He still has his head up his ass and nothing I have said or did in the last 9 months has made any difference. He is usually sweet and kind to me, has been transparent, and as far as I know is NC with the OW. This is all he has done. He went to IC 3 times then stopped going, read about 50 pages in a book and then never finished it, sat once with me on a audio semeinar about the effects of cheating, but went to bed before it was finished. He just wants to avoid everything that reminds him of what he screwed up. Basically he is regretful he got caught, but not remorseful for what he did, which will be our downfall and why I am leaning toward D when I get my health problems straightened out. Being nice and telling me he loves me will not save our marriage. I tried to tell him that after DDay#2 and laid out my requirements for R. He has failed miserably. He just doesn't get it and doesn't want to do the work that R requires to be successful.
From what you have said your WH is not looking to R and not willing to do the work that R requires of him either, so I would question why he would even want to come on SI. He can't even get past NC, so why bother? Like everyone else has said if he really wanted to R, he could do the research needed just like you did to find support and answers. I know you are, as I am, hoping he will pull his head out of his ass and want to save your marriage. I am at the point that it is what I want, but not really what he wants and I can't control that and neither can you. (((HUGS)))
I also would NOT copy and paste anything to him. So say he does find this site and he has stuff you copied and pasted. He does a search and he knows exactly who you are. Then goes through any post he can access, picking the things that he can focus on how you've done him wrong. My SAWH did this before he was remotely into recovery then used every rant or problem I had to try and make me feel like the worst person on the planet... during the weeks after DDay and the subsequent new information an additional DDays.
I wish I had kept SI my safe place.
I won't show him anything.
What I wonder is if he wants the site exactly for using against me?
He already spews things back at me that apparently he's been storing for a long while, resentments he chose to hide instead.
He is very IT saavy and technical oriented and it probably wouldn't be long before he knew my posts.
That's why I posted the question prior to doing anything...I'm glad I did.
I've read about some others of you that had it bite you and I'm sorry for that. Seems that sometimes, no matter how much we want to help, it's not going to work?
And I agree, and have told him before when tracking him for pictures of my daughter. He would ask for a link and I would say, "find it yourself, I'm asking the questions." This was only in interest in getting our daughter off of his social network pages with the A/OW and not anything more.
I wouldn't put it past him to send OW here, either...uggh!