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pizzalover
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Default  Posted: 9:33 PM, May 29th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I haven't posted in awhile, so I apologize for the length of my post. I have tried to sit down over the last month and write what was going on or how I was feeling, since I constantly have an inner dialogue of what I want to say, but when I try to write things, they don't come out okay so I give up. Also, it is a form of running away and avoiding problems which seems to be my MO. Not wanting conflict. I can't run away anymore and appreciate the feedback that I have gotten so far on this site.

I have started with a new IC and really like her a lot. She's a clinical psychologist and we have had 3 sessions so far. I think she will be able to help me with the internal struggle I am having and with figuring out my reasons for having the A. My BS and I are continuing to see our MC once a week (it was twice a week, but since BS started with his new IC we are just going to her once a week) I have figured out a few things, not just through IC but through MC. One is that I have a need for approval from men - I'm not sure why, because growing up and during college, I had a great relationship with my dad. However in the last 8 or so years, our relationship has been nonexistent (more on that later).

My sexual behavior in college was more about trying to find and maintain a connection rather than the sex. I didn't really ever get anything out of it but pain since I am unable to orgasm. I felt connected at the time, but when I realized that I was used, I crashed down and felt a sense of shame. Obviously every time I did the same behaviors, I thought "WTF, not again" but they continued. I guess I thought that if I slept with someone, they would like me and want to be with them - that was obviously not the case - I want to smack my younger self.

One of the problems, I think, was that my parents didn't talk to me about sex. Since they avoided the issue, I had trouble making choices. I lost my virginity at 15 - he was 19. I was curious about sex at the time and, looking back, I was DEFINITELY pressured into having sex. I was sneaking around my parents back since they didn't want me to date someone as old as he was. I can remember that when my parents decided that I could date him, I didn't want to anymore. I am wondering if it was because the illicit nature of the relationship was over. This started a string of bad sexual experiences that saddled me with a lot of shame and embarrassment. And yes, I don't fail to see that this affair only caused me more shame and embarrassment and pain.

My mom said something to me the other day that scared the hell out of me - "If you and mpb1974 split up, don't jump in bed with the first person that you meet." The reason this shook me up so badly is I don't know HOW to start a relationship WITHOUT having sex right away. My BS says I should stay away from men, and he's probably right. My BS and I had sex on the first date, and due to him being ill (which I didn't know) he didn't call me back for a week, which of course spiraled me into shame that WTF, I did it again inner monologue. I don't think I know how to have a healthy relationship. There were obviously healthy aspects to my relationship with my BS but there were unhealthy ones as well. I wasn't communicating with him about how I was feeling. I held a lot inside as to not upset him. I felt I stifled a lot of things about me, since they were not things that he liked, even though he didn't ask me to do those things. I didn't tell him that how he was treating me was a deal breaker, because I didn't want to/know how to get out of our relationship. I was too attached to him and I believe vice versa. I did and do love him.

Attachment/latching on is another thing that I have been figuring out about myself. I definitely latch on to people too fast and have an extremely difficult time letting go. I obviously not only latched on EXTREMELY quickly to my AP but to his BS which I sickly considered one of my best friends. My BS and I keep talking about how I could have been her friend while fucking her H. I was able to separate them mentally while I was doing what I was doing, however I could never see them not married because I felt they fit together and had a good respectful relationship (obviously my projection onto their relationship because I now realize the absurdity of the statement My MC and IC both said that denial is a powerful thing and it can develop very quickly. I should have told my BS after the first time that it happened and should not have actively cultivated a relationship with the two of them and I should have absolutely not introduced them to my husband. I keep saying to him that I didn't know how to get out of the affair because of the feelings that I had/thought I had for my AP - I was always hoping that he would end it because I was latched on too tight. I know I am weak and a coward.

Seeing my BS's pain is excruciating. I want to help and make him better. He says that he is on the verge of a nervous breakdown - that terrifies me and I DID THIS TO HIM! I feel like throwing up. Every day is a rollercoaster and I feel that I keep putting up walls to protect myself which only hurts him more. He continues daily to ask the same questions and when I answer he tells me it's bullshit. Our MC says that he is trying to find logic in a completely illogical thing. I was completely illogical, completely selfish, and completely destructive. When I give possible reasons for the affair, he tells me that whatever my epiphany is, it will not be okay. No reason is okay. He says that the only reason that could make sense is that I didn't love him anymore and wanted to leave him for my AP - that was never the case in my mind. Each day I do and say things that trigger him - we could be having a conversation about anything and the affair will come up in the conversation. I hate that I am a trigger - being around me hurts him but yet he feels the need to constantly be around me. We could go from cuddling one minute to the next him being so angry. He tells me that the pizzalover he knows is gone and that I never told him I was leaving. It hurts to see the person that I have become and how I taken away the thing in his life that he could count on and feel completely positive about. I completely destroyed his life and my own and I almost lost my life. I am desperately trying to figure out what happened to me. What made me destroy so many lives and my relationship. He has recently been talking about trying to figure out a way to get out of our relationship which kills me.

Some interesting developments have been happening in my FOO relationships. As stated earlier, I haven't really had a relationship with my dad in probably 8 years. It all started when my dad left my mom. I held on to SO much anger towards my dad that I never addressed with him. When he originally left my mom, he said he was leaving her because he hadn't love her since I was 13 and that she was fat and didn't clean. He obviously shouldn't have said that to me, and there are deeper issues at play, but that was incredibly painful to hear. He got remarried and I never took the time to really get to know my step-mom. I felt anger for her, not because she did anything wrong, but because she wasn't my mom. I would see them both on holidays and once in awhile besides that, but I didn't make any effort to reach out to them. I was never close to my mom - she was always judgmental and I was trying to get her approval. I ended up alienating her too, although I ended up talking to her a little more than my dad. I latched on to my BS's family early on probably to avoid my own, but I wasn't like his family and even though they accepted me, I felt like I was on the outs because I didn't have their humor or a lot in common with him. As I started this affair, I latched onto my AP's family alienating my family and my BH's family.

Obviously as D-day smacked me in the face, I knew that I needed to start repairing my relationships with my family. I have gotten together with my dad individually a few times - we spent the whole day together on my birthday and went out to dinner together another time. We have also been emailing and are planning on watching Under the Dome this summer together once a week since we both love Stephen King. I went to lunch with my step-mom who I have NEVER spent any time alone with in the 10 years that they have been married (seriously, I'm so pathetic). We had a 2 1/2 hour lunch where we just talked and talked clearing the air and getting to know each other. It turns out that she had a bad first marriage and when she met my dad at 55, they knew they were each other's soul mates. It makes me happy that my dad is happy. I am just sorry it took me so long to figure it out. We will be getting together again soon, just the two of us. In addition to that, my BS and I have gone out to dinner a few times with the both of them and plan on doing this once a month. My mom is going to be a harder relationship to heal, but we are off to a good start. We went out 3 times already - one for my b-day, one for her b-day and one for mother's day. We have been talking a lot. She is very overweight and is having health problems, but I offered to drive her to some of her appointments. I also have to get brave enough to address her hoarding again - my brother and I have not been in her house in over 3 years. She has been hoarding since we were younger but it has gotten progressively worse over the years. I need to be able to offer my help again, which she may not take, in cleaning out her house because it is not safe for her. I would hate if anything happened to her.

I have not had much success with my brother. I saw him and his wife on Sunday for the first time since I was in the hospital. He is obviously very angry with me. When I told him I was concerned about my mom, he said that I wasn't concerned about her before, but I replied that I am trying to fix my mistakes and be a better person. He told me that I won't change until I admit why I did this. I said that it couldn't have been about my BH which he said it was. I told him that I have been reading here and books like Not Just Friends and the affair could not have been caused by the BH, to which he asked me where the books have been for the last 3 1/2 years. He said that I did it because I liked it. He said you wouldn't take (metaphorical) heroin for 3 1/2 years without liking it. I believe that that was an addictive quality to my affair , but the start and continuation of the addiction comes from within me and is a dysfunction with me. I am trying to figure out where that dysfunction comes from. At least I got to see him and talk to him. Maybe it's just a start and will take a lot of time to heal.

Each day is a struggle and I am so thankful for meds, otherwise I think I would go off the deep end. I will continue to work hard, to try to not put up walls, to be supportive to my BH, and to try to give us both some joy. We are going to the beach this weekend. Hopefully we will have some fun.

I think I'm done writing for today, but will be back soon. I won't stay away this long again.

[This message edited by pizzalover at 9:57 PM, May 29th (Wednesday)]


Trying to rebuild each day

Me - WW 39
Him - BH 40 (mpb1974)
2 Furrbabies - sweet cats

Met - 8/13/99
Started dating - 9/11/99
Moved in together - 3/03
Engaged - 6/5/09
Married - 8/21/10
D-Day - 1/24/13
Affair started 5/09


Posts: 517 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: Pennsylvania
ophelia24
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Default  Posted: 9:44 PM, May 29th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Awwwww. I felt so sad for you reading this Pizza. You sound so vulnerable and hurt. But also so incredibly brave. Although you probably can't see that right now.

Reaching out to your family where a lot of hurts would have originated is a very brave thing to do. Especially when we are feeling fragile.

I really identified with your behaviours around having sex as to get someone to love you and stay with you. I don't think I've ever had a relationship where I didn't use sex right at the start to hook them. Perhaps its because we don't feel like we are enough, just being who we are. When we carry around self-loathing, it is difficult to feel somehow enough for ourselves, let alone someone else.

Your post really resonated with me, in its honesty and rawness, and I can hear the deep struggles you are having just to feel OK. Not to mention having to be there for your BH in his pain. Wow. A lot on your plate.

Take care of your wee self aye? As my BFF often says "we are precious".


“Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up.”
― James Baldwin

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tired girl
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Default  Posted: 12:14 AM, May 30th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

welcome back pizza,

You sound like you have done some growing since you have been gone. I know you feel like you still haven't gotten to the why of what happened, but that is a process and you are working that process.

I think the work you are doing with your family is really good.

And the change in IC sounds like it is a good one for you.

Keep going, I know it feels frustrating, and long, and hard. You are doing good. Keep it up.


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D Day 1/18/10 his 3/8/2012 mine
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Eleanor Roosevelt

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20WrongsVs1
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Default  Posted: 7:01 AM, May 30th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks for sharing, I find it so helpful to my own recovery, to read your story and others'.

IMO, being pressured into sex by an older boy when you're 15 equates with abuse. I'm a CSA survivor (I was about 7) and am truly dealing with it for the first time. The way you describe sex is similar to my early experiences: it didn't cause pain, but an O? Never with a partner, only by myself. Sex was all for the man, and I liked pleasing my BFs but I got little to no physical pleasure from it. So ICR to you on that. I'm reading The Sexual Healing Journey by Wendy Maltz, which addresses sexual dysfunction caused by abuse, including date rape (which is what your 15-y.o. experience may have been). But, you're in IC, I'm not, so reading a book is my first step. Good for you, and your BS, for doing that work!


fWW: 42
BH: 52
DDay: April 21, 2013
Sweet DS & fierce DD, under 10
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UnexpectedSong
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Default  Posted: 6:46 PM, May 31st (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I lost my virginity at 15

Was that your first experience with sex? (not counting normal self exploration)


WW(SA)
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pizzalover
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Default  Posted: 7:08 PM, May 31st (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Unexpected Song, I had kissed a few guys and some touching, but 15 is when I had sex for the first time.


Trying to rebuild each day

Me - WW 39
Him - BH 40 (mpb1974)
2 Furrbabies - sweet cats

Met - 8/13/99
Started dating - 9/11/99
Moved in together - 3/03
Engaged - 6/5/09
Married - 8/21/10
D-Day - 1/24/13
Affair started 5/09


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UnexpectedSong
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Default  Posted: 8:02 PM, May 31st (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

How old were you at the earliest sexual experience? Was it consensual?


WW(SA)
"Feedback is the breakfast of champions." - Boris Becker

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pizzalover
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Default  Posted: 4:10 PM, June 1st (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Middle school - maybe 13? It was.


Trying to rebuild each day

Me - WW 39
Him - BH 40 (mpb1974)
2 Furrbabies - sweet cats

Met - 8/13/99
Started dating - 9/11/99
Moved in together - 3/03
Engaged - 6/5/09
Married - 8/21/10
D-Day - 1/24/13
Affair started 5/09


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UnexpectedSong
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Default  Posted: 10:44 AM, June 2nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I felt connected at the time, but when I realized that I was used, I crashed down and felt a sense of shame.

Why did you feel used? Did you ever use anyone?

One of the problems, I think, was that my parents didn't talk to me about sex. Since they avoided the issue, I had trouble making choices

Lots of parents don't talk to their children about sex. I don't think that is the source of your issues.

looking back, I was DEFINITELY pressured into having sex.

What kind of pressure?

I was sneaking around my parents back since they didn't want me to date someone as old as he was

So your parents did put restrictions on you implicitly regarding sex, yet you broke their rules. It's not as if your parents set you loose on the world without any preparation, so you floundered and had sex with the first guy who came along. You actively engaged in this by breaking their rule.

Did you rebel about anything else?


WW(SA)
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pizzalover
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Default  Posted: 4:23 PM, June 7th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why did you feel used? Did you ever use anyone?

I felt used during many of my sexual experiences. I was trying desperately to have a connection with someone. I wanted someone to want to be with me. Sex was probably my way of connecting. The majority of my sexual experiences were alcohol induced. My inhibitions were down. The next day when I would see the guy and he didn't want anything to do with me, I felt shame and used. I have been holding on to shame for so long.

As per using someone, I used my AP and his BS, projecting onto them the life I thought I wanted and escaping from my life. However, he used me too.

What kind of pressure?

I am not exactly sure of all of the details. Throughout us hanging out, I'm pretty sure he kept talking about sex, encouring me that we should do it. One of my friends had had sex and I was definitely curious about it. After talking to my mom last night, I realized that she never knew about me "dating" him until until she found a note from him. My dad and her were very upset with me. She couldn't remember if they made me dump him or I did. This is different from what I wrote at the beginning of my post. I had thought that they didn't want me to date him but I did it anyway - it turns out it was just illicit from the start.

I also flashed back that the 19 year old took naked pictures of me. I don't remember why I agreed to it. I think maybe he was going away and he asked me to do it so he could be reminded of me. I realize now how pedophilic that was. Maybe it was about pleasing the man, which seems to be my MO at the expense of my pleasure/ability to orgasm.

Lots of parents don't talk to their children about sex. I don't think that is the source of your issues.

My mom told me that she apparently did speak to me about sex and about "not giving myself freely to anyone" when I first got my period.


Trying to rebuild each day

Me - WW 39
Him - BH 40 (mpb1974)
2 Furrbabies - sweet cats

Met - 8/13/99
Started dating - 9/11/99
Moved in together - 3/03
Engaged - 6/5/09
Married - 8/21/10
D-Day - 1/24/13
Affair started 5/09


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