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karmahappens posted 6/5/2013 18:12 PM

So they start off letting me know how unacceptable it is to "let my son" fall on his face...

We removed him from our home in February, he had used his last chance. Doesn't pay his bills, can't keep a job, still using and won't follow our simple house he had to move out and do things his way in his own home.

Now that girlfriend is pregnant my inlaws have been contacting me to let me know what I need to do to fix him.I have not followed their advice so they decided to take matters into their own hands, god help us.

He is a month away from jail time because he never paid fines from a pot-related charge.

Now my inlaws have decided they will save him. They have invited him to move in, getting him a new cell phone (his got shut off). They are taking out a loan to pay his court costs and the fucking last straw....they are helping him sign up for school and getting loans for that too....(he bailed on the student loans we co-signed when he first started school at 18)

I can't even say how fucking pissed off we are. Everything we have done, every god damned hard decision we have had to make hoping he will find his way is now out the window.

He will never learn this way...and all they care about is how they feel.

Why can't people mind their own god damn business.

I just need to vent, I have not spoken to them and refuse to engage in their craziness...but it is so hard.

You wonder how we all get so screwed up...our parents are a bunch of train wrecks...

Sigh, I feel better, Thanks

jrc1963 posted 6/5/2013 19:14 PM

OMG!! (((Karma)))

I'm so sorry...

metamorphisis posted 6/5/2013 19:36 PM

That has to be so frustrating, especially when they knew what you were trying to do. One of two things will happen here. He'll be grateful for the second chance and grow the hell up and not squander it. Or he will squander it and they will have to learn the hard way that you were doing the right thing.

karmahappens posted 6/5/2013 19:36 PM

Thanks ...I had posted a few days ago because they initially wanted us to do all of the above because the baby is coming. We disagree and think he needs to take care of himself and the baby. So I havent talked to them since daughter filled me in on their plan so I wouldn't be smacked in the face when I find out what they are doing...

If you have to do it behind our backs don't ya know it just isn't right...ugh

ETA: Cross psoted with you Meta..I agree and hope he does whats right, but I am worried about him. He needs to have some consequences and all they have done is reinforced that we are assholes and he is right....ugh

[This message edited by karmahappens at 7:52 PM, June 5th (Wednesday)]

nowiknow23 posted 6/5/2013 19:57 PM


jo2love posted 6/5/2013 20:07 PM


LA44 posted 6/5/2013 20:08 PM

((karma)) What a damn shame!

Well. As Meta said, hopefully he does not squander this chance. If he does, your in-laws will be showing up on your call display. Let it ring.

I truly hope your son "gets it" tho.

DixieD posted 6/5/2013 20:34 PM


Enablers don't get it.

We are currently reading Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. Her other book is Toxic Inlaws. So the title of your post caught my eye. If you gotta read the book, you know you have them in your life.

Good luck with everything.

karmahappens posted 6/5/2013 22:53 PM

If you gotta read the book, you know you have them in your life.

Nah, I don't need to read it lol...I know who they are!

We are going NC...with the in-laws

I just have to pray he finds his way, my FIL is not a loving man and cannot handle conflict without being abusive. It may be "saving my son" from jail, but it is inviting a whole new set of issues for him (son) that he isn't ready for.

I give him 2 weeks of living with the in-laws before he thinks my husband and I are saints.


authenticnow posted 6/6/2013 05:23 AM

I have learned that you have to let the savers/enablers do their thing, and let them learn on their own. It looks easy for everybody else, right? If we help him, he'll change, why wouldn't he? We can save this kid even if his parents couldn't!

They'll eventually get tired of giving, giving, giving, and your son continuing to do what he does. Their enabling him won't fix him and then they'll realize---hmmmm....maybe karma and H knew what they were talking about.

My SIL let DS live there for awhile. That got old real quick for her. And that was after years of her telling me how to 'fix' him, what I should be doing, etc.

I'm glad you are making the choice to jump off the crazy train. God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, and all that jazz .

Sending lots of support, as always.

Amazonia posted 6/6/2013 05:26 AM

I give him 2 weeks of living with the in-laws before he thinks my husband and I are saints.

Oh look, another consequence

I know that they're all making you out to be the bad guy and that feels uncomfortable right now, but realistically, they're all going to see that you were right in the end - even if they never admit it. Stay on your high road, 180 if you need to.

Undefinabl3 posted 6/6/2013 08:21 AM

Another perfect case of "you can't control other people's actions"....

Your In-laws - as naive as they are, dont understand what they are really doing and how their 'help' is really a hinderance.

I know that they are thinking of the baby here. Your son needs to have some footing to support another life on this earth, the issue is that this is all being given to him, not earned.

its sad, but you cant do anything about what they choose to do with their own space and money...


hurtbs posted 6/6/2013 08:49 AM

Big hugs


YOu know how this will turn out... Hang in there.

sailorgirl posted 6/6/2013 12:34 PM

How infuriating, Karma!

My in-laws are like this, too. They allowed my bil to ruin his life. They never let him hit rock bottom so he never has to admit he has a problem (alcohol, drugs, bipolar). Unfortunately, they are very wealthy so it's easy for them to just give him money, pay his rent, etc. WH has tried everything to get them to come out of their denial and stop enabling, but nothing works. Such a helpless feeling.

Your post reminded me how worried I am that they will do this to our kids . . . I am so sorry this is happening in your family

Tearsoflove posted 6/6/2013 16:42 PM

He will never learn this way

No, he probably won't. But maybe your in-laws will learn to mind their own business when he defaults on loans, runs up a high cell phone bill, eats all their groceries, and sticks his kid with them all the time so he can go "party". The fun will be when they start complaining and looking to you to bail them out of this mess they created.

karmahappens posted 6/6/2013 22:03 PM

Thanks everyone.

I do hope he gets it. It would be great if he could right his ship.


The fun will be when they start complaining and looking to you to bail them out of this mess they created.

Is not happening. My husband already told my father-in law that if they decide to do this then they are on their own. We do not want to hear anything about our son's bad choices or how he is screwing them over....BTDT

We cannot control what they do or their relationship with our son, but I will not be available to them if shit hits the fan. We have done a great job doing what we think is right (even though internally it is still hard and sad )I will not let them make me feel bad....Putting on my fake it til you make it mask.

Grrrr assholes.

karmahappens posted 6/6/2013 22:08 PM

We can save this kid even if his parents couldn't!

What's funny AN is my father in law had been all over me when my son originally screwed up. He used to call me daily and tell me how I should handle things and I better listen to him because he raised 3 kids. I finally had to tell him to knock it off. It was shortly after dday and our lives were a mess, and all at once things kept piling higher and higher...

For some reason my father in law thinks he is god's gift to parenting. Why can't he just see we ALL do the best we can...and to be rotten and judgemental just isn't helpful.

Plus he really sucked as a parent. He was mean and abusive...still treats his wife like crap.

Detach...detach...detach. I need to stop trying to justify myself. I am coming from a place of love for my son and I have to just hope in their twisted way they are too...but they are still assholes

Mousse242 posted 6/7/2013 08:39 AM

He is going to do the same thing to them that he did with/to you. Default on the student loan, get into trouble with the law again, etc.

They will then have learned a hard lesson and will likely do the same thing you are doing now, kick him out.


simplydevastated posted 6/7/2013 08:56 AM

I better listen to him because he raised 3 kids.

Oh yes, my in-laws tried this line, too. That we had to come to them will all our questions because they raised three kids. I said to my husband "if that's the logic then I should go to DS9's godparents because they raised 4 kids, so they must know more."

I'm sorry you're going through all this. It sucks all the way around.

Sending you (((HUGS))) and strength.

karmahappens posted 6/7/2013 09:02 AM

My son kills me. He just stopped by, was obvious he waas crying and he wanted to know why the only people that care about him are Nana and Papa.

Broke my heart. He said they are the only ones willing to help him because nobody else cares...

I wanted to spout off the millions ways we have tried to help him and the billion ways he has screwed us over, but I didn't I just said I am sorry he feels that way and that we love him.

I dont know what I am, hurt angry, sad.

I just want to pack my bags and go to some beach and plop my ass in the sand....I will come home after everyone gets some fucking IC.

Thanks for the hugs...I know you have your own brand of crazy goin on SD...

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