At first, while I was heartbroken, I felt confident in my decision for D. How could I be with someone that treats me like this? Of course there *must* be better things on the horizon.
But as D starts getting closer, I'm having second thoughts. So much is driven by my two small children (under 3 years old). No one else loves them like we (WH & I) do. The idea of giving up, not continuing to fight for our M and our family, doesn't feel right to me. I wonder - did I fight enough? Seems I did a lot. How do you know?
I'm not at all sure he'd be willing to do things I'd need him to do if we tried again. Not sure he even wants to come back. And I'm certainly not sure it's the right thing to do - so much damage has been done; I have so much distrust and he truly may not be the right person for me. But should I even ask? I just wonder if our pride is getting in the way. I do still love him, despite everything. It seems crazy to me that a divorce in the hardest time in a parents life - two babies/toddlers, so much stress - when of course things are challenging - is the right move. I'm really not sure whether I'm doing the right thing.
Any advice, thoughts welcome. I don't expect answers. Just some helpful perspectives would be appreciated.
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I say take out the paper and make a pro and con list.
Even my IC was taken aback but I told her in my view for my own marriage the fact that I love H does not influence my decisions. My decision is going to come down to whether my H can be healthy and faithful and whether our marriage can recover so that that I experience that love within a satisfying marriage. If not, it is my view that we do not always love people that are good for us.
You haven't done anything that cannot be undone. If at some point he does become the person who truly realizes what he has done and makes the enormous effort to fix himself, you can always remarry.
What you cannot ever get back is the massive time and effort spent on a situation that is never, ever going to get better.
Right now, he is not going to put in time and effort. All the "fighting" in the world is not going to make this any better. I know. I have done it. Your effort is best put into your children and healing you.
Bottom line: if he isn't shoulder-to-shoulder with you in the challenge to save your marriage, end it. It isn't something that cannot be undone in the future.
Cat
Can I ask: Is your WH still involved in an adulterous affair with the OW? Has your WH expressed any desire to stop the divorce and continue working on the marriage?
IF he's still involved in an affair...and IF he hasn't expressed any true desire to work on the marriage: I'd continue with the divorce. You can always date again, and remarry down the road - IF that's how things are meant to work out. That's my opinion.
I'm so sorry for the continued pain, sadness and turmoil you're going through. But, it takes TWO hard-working, committed people to make a marriage work. Good Luck.
I can understand being alone; but I hate being with someone and feeling lonely.
^^^^^This, exactly. My XH was not even close in the early days after dday. If your H hasn't gone NC or is still seeing OW, you don't have much to work with. I often wonder what would have happened if I hadn't gone ahead with D, and sometimes regret pulling the trigger on it. But it was the right thing to do. If we continue on the path we're on, I have no doubt we'll remarry and be much stronger than we were.
I can't imagine how hard this must be with two little ones. My daughter turned 4 just 6 days after dday
I think your plans for D are perfectly reasonable considering the circumstances.
We are in R.
YOU have done plenty. YOU didn't give up. YOU are not the weak link here. Stand tall and be proud of yourself. You gave him a second chance and he crapped all over it. And then what did he do? He ran. That isn't a sign for a positive recovery.
Puzzle, when you've shut the door, the way it works is he has to be trying to break that door down to get back in. It isn't up to you to open it up.
If he was the man you deserve, he would have been in IC, calling you every day, SHOWING you that he is getting healthy and willing to move heaven and earth to win you back. You deserve nothing less. You and your husband can still be incredible, loving coparents to your children. Sure, it will look different, but they will be loved just as much. Plus, they are guaranteed to have at least one healthy parent, whereas if you spend God knows how long in false R or limbo while married, there is no way for them to. Stay strong. (((puzzle pieces)))
He definitely needs to cut it off with OW. He will never get out of the fog and see the real beauty in his own marriage and family until NC. (If the OW has a significant other, I'd be sure to let him know what's going on. Might get NC on the spot.)
You'll know when enough is enough. I read a post awhile back about the "aha moment" and it just doesn't sound like you've had yours yet.
Be patient. Your decision will become clearer with time.
As someone who tried very hard and singlehandedly to fix a very broken marriage to a very broken person....,
Cat said it best.
Don't confuse your own efforts as his. Obviously your WS is good at appearing to be remorseful when he is still involved in the affair.
You can't fix this on your own If he hasn't asked (no, BEGGED) YOU for another chance at this point, why would you ask HIM for a second chance? That to me seems a little backwards.
Move on. There is life after divorce.
When another woman takes your husband, sometimes the best thing you can do for yourself is to LET HER HAVE him. OC born 2001 DDay 2002 Divorced 2003 Remarried 2008 (New Guy)
If someone does not honor you, THEY DO NOT DESERVE a seat at your table.
As said: You know that inner voice that speaks to us and we always want to ingore it? Well, that voice is your innerself telling to let go (at least for now). If it is meant to be he will come back. A man that wants to be with a woman WILL DO EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER to be with that woman.
You deserve to be loved, cherished, honored, respected, and treated like the Queen you are.
I don't feel you are making a bad choice, you are making a choice to protect yourself. There comes a time in all of here on SI to really start to love ourselves again and enough to know when to walk away if the other spouse is not giving what they should.
Don't feel bad for second guessing, it is a scary journey. I will be right where you are soon, so you can give me this same speech
Love yourself and I am learnin NEVER to run from those RED Flag and our gut, we stop for a stop sign in a car, why will we not stop for a stop sign in our lifes? We need to just listen and halt for a minute.
"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"
"if you want him back, kick his ass to the curb."
and it is true. basically what she was trying to tell me is that my husband at the time was treating me very badly, not remorseful..not fighting for the m. in fact, he was still doing his wayward ways. it was really sad.
it wasnt until 9 months later, when i discovered i was in false r...like you....that i started to understand exactly what she meant. i needed to be willing to end my marriage if there was any chance at saving it. i used to think about the pride stuff too...not letting egos get in the way...and doing everything we could to save the marriage....
but at the end of the day...after that false r...i realized that i was making it too complicated...and that all of the ego, pride...all of that was crap.
bottom line: if he wanted to save the marriage, he would be doing everything humanly possible to save it. period. no in between. he would be willing to do whatever you needed him to do to help you heal.
i laid out my requirements to r after the false r...and he decided to bail. yes. he left home...and continued his behavior. i went 180...and "kicked him to the curb."
eventually, he agreed to the r requirements......but that was after a long, painful journey for me of letting him go. i knew that if he agreed then i could attempt to r with him and still have some dignity and self respect....if he didnt agree to the terms...then i was just that much further in my recovery to move on with my life..and it would have only confirmed for me that he just wasnt worth it.
when you detach, and let them go...you can work on you and discover your value...your worth...and you get stronger and stronger....and become even more convicted in your r requirements.
one thing i have learned after all of this mess, is that a wayward wanting a true r would move "heaven and earth" to get you back.
a wise SIer told me that.
and it is true. anything less than that..."kick his ass to the curb"
I've made it clear that I will try my best at R based on WHs ONE affair.
He knows if this ever happens again, D is the ONLY option.
You need to be clear - that this is not going to be your life. You will not put up with this behavior.
I say file - show him you are not bluffing. If he wants to save his marriage - he will make the changes necessary.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, pack your shit and get out.
Fool me twice, now what?!?!
I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength!
In Sept 2011 I found myself in almost the same exact position as you. I had not found SI yet (not that it would have mattered because I never listened to anyone anyway).
I questioned myself in the same way that you are doing. I even attributed it to us both being too prideful. Even though in my gut I KNEW that he was still that *same* guy...just as you know that your WH is still that *same* guy. I pushed it aside and I went to him.
We remained married. TBH, it was one of the stupidest decisions that I've ever made in my lifetime. The only saving grace out of it is that I have a very firm grip on who he *is* and I am now able to put him in my rear-view mirror with absolutely no regrets. I gave him a million chances to *make it right* (just since 9/11) and he gave me 3 new OW's. Thanks honey.
I finally found SI in January of 2012. Cat and ReBreather both posted on my early threads. All that I can say to you is that, in hindsight, I really, really wish that I had listened to them because they were right.
My opinion about your situation is that you have fought long and hard enough. Your WH has been sitting on the bench....and now he STILL isn't jumping in to 'help' the team. The fact that you don't even know whether he is still in contact with OW or not just makes me sad for you. If he wanted to stop this D, he would be up on the mountain shouting to the world that he was no longer involved with the OW and he would be making efforts to rights his wrongs.
But he isn't. I'm so sorry.
In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.
Puzzle, when you've shut the door, the way it works is he has to be trying to break that door down to get back in. It isn't up to you to open it up. Does that make sense? When a BS goes dark, a remorseful WW will fight like hell to get you back. If he isn't doing that, don't open the door on your own. It will only lead to pain and misery.
This^^^^^. Unless he is trying to kick open that door then don't go and peek .
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If you want him back, kick his ass to the curb."
And this....
My D lawyer was the first person I told when I was thinking of R He was a bit shocked to say the least but then, in an act of immense kindness, told me that it could work if we both put the hard work in and gave me a number for a Christian M counsellor. This was a hard ball D lawyer who told me he was going to screw my FWH into the ground and then nail his ass down too
Nothing is final until you die! You can remarry if he de fogs. But, if he's still with ow then let it go.....for now.
One way to find out where you stand is to outright ask him what his circumstances are. This might give you an answer. But, it could also open you up to be hurt again.
What if you ask him and he says he's moved on with ow? How would that feel?
I think about D'ing by WW daily now, but I'm waiting because I'm not 100 per cent sure.
Here's what my IC suggested to me. Go to MC -- which we are -- and set up rules. If my WW follows the rules and makes noticeable progress the way I need her to, then that buys us more time. If she does not, then the decision to D becomes easier.
Good luck and stay strong.
