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User Topic: On Apologies
EvolvingSoul
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Default  Posted: 3:08 PM, July 8th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Another poster recently raised an issue of concern that repeated, frequent apologies to his BS would lose sincerity over time and it got me thinking about my own evolution regarding apologies to my BS.

It took me a long time to learn how to apologize in a way that means something to BS.

Very early in the process: "I'm sorry you feel hurt."

Somewhat later:
"I'm sorry I hurt you."

Somewhat later still:
"I'm sorry that I hurt you by (insert specific harmful behavior)."

Much later:
"I can see why what I did hurt you so badly. I feel so bad that I did that to you. I wish I could take it back. I won't ever do that to you again."

I think the key to a meaningful apology is a demonstration of understanding why something was so hurtful to the BS. Sincere statements of remorse seem to follow naturally from that understanding and so the whole statement hangs together as authentic.

Another aspect of my apology evolution has been the timing of apologies. In the early days, I mostly apologized when we were already sliding down the avalanche of emotions while trying to talk about affair related issues.

Nowadays my apologies are mostly unsolicited and unplanned. They come up for me in response to some outside trigger that makes me think about something I did during the affair. Here's an example.

When I do kitchen work I like to put on a film I've seen and enjoyed many times in the past, something I don't really need to follow too carefully but is enjoyable to watch in little snippets as my attention wanders from task to task. Last night I picked "The Truman Show." I really enjoyed that film the first several times I saw it (probably 4-5 times pre-Dday and at least once post-Dday) but last night I found myself increasingly uncomfortable watching it. (I'm assuming here y'all have seen the movie or can read about it so I won't do a synopsis here.)

Truman's life was one massive gaslighting event. The crux of the movie is him beginning to suspect that he's being lied to and then he is thwarted by the liars at every turn in his efforts to try to find the truth. The few people who try to tell him the truth are cast by the liars as crazy and are eliminated from his life.

About half way through the film I switched to something else. When I next saw BS I told him about my experience watching the film this time and added that I remember so many times before D-day when he told me he was unhappy. He knew things were not right, in fact it literally made him sick because his gut was screaming and I was telling him something else. He chose to believe me. It went on for years. I feel ill myself thinking back on it. Then I said "I'm so sorry I did that to you. It was cruel." I don't remember if I said "I won't do that again" but if I didn't, I wish I had.

I guess the bottom line is that you can apologize sincerely for the same thing many times if each time you demonstrate a facet of your understanding of why what you did was so hurtful. I think the BS's call it "getting it". Also, unsolicited apologies during the calm seem to be more effective than those offered during the emotional avalanche.


Me: WS (52)
Him: Shards (47)
D-day: June 6, 2010
Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010
NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

Digging our way through.


Posts: 310 | Registered: Oct 2010 | From: Turning the corner.
Want To Wake Up
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Member # 31583
Default  Posted: 3:20 PM, July 8th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yep, EvolvingSoul... you "get it"


Me 54
WH 54
Met 1978
Married 1981
DDay 2009
Latest TT... Nov 2013 (yep, 2013... not a typo!)
"Adultery is not a symptom of a struggling marriage....a struggling marriage is a result of a person who can chose adultery."- saw this on SI

Posts: 478 | Registered: Mar 2011
knightsbff
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Default  Posted: 4:41 PM, July 8th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Good post EvolvingSoul. You prompted a productive talk. Thanks.


FWW 40's
D-day August 27, 2012
3 kids and 2 dogs

I edit often because I make a lot of typos. ☺️


Posts: 1509 | Registered: Sep 2012 | From: Deep South, USA
Skan
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Default  Posted: 7:40 PM, July 8th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I just copied your entire post and emailed it to my FWH. You've said what I tried to say, and could never get right. Thank you! As a BW, that's *exactly* what I want to hear. That I'm not the only one thinking about this and reacting to it that my FWH is too and can share that with me. A detailed apology from the heart never looses sincerity and only, IMO, fosters connectedness.


Imagine a ship trying to set sail while towing an anchor. Cutting free is not a gift to the anchor. You must release that burden, not because the anchor is worthy, but because the ship is.

D-Day, June 10, 2012



Posts: 5094 | Registered: Jun 2012 | From: So California
rachelc
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Default  Posted: 8:56 PM, July 8th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I love the analogy to the Truman show! Of course that's what it's like!! And when you think that our APs knew about our spouses but they didn't know about the AP- yep- exactly!


his Dday: 2/10 but TT until 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me (WW/BS): 48
him: (BS/WH)52
4 kiddos in mid 20's

“Follow your intuition. Be smart, be brave. Tell the truth and don’t take any shit.”


Posts: 5494 | Registered: Dec 2010 | From: Midwest
musiclovingmom
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Default  Posted: 10:58 PM, July 8th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My H recently sent me a detailed, written apology. I shared in in the R forum and have it saved and flagged in my e-mail. Since then, his verbal apologies have been better too. It's the details that help. 'I'm sorry' alone seems generic after a while, but those added specifics make every apology more sincere and better received - at least to me. Thanks for sharing this. I fear far too many people don't know how to convey a sincere apology.

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