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User Topic: how do you differentiate between they are and who they were?
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Question  Posted: 7:22 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

when I think about the things H did during A and before the A. I'm talking going back years he was never supportive I was always the one who had to deal with the realities of life.

That hurt is just overwhelming sometimes. he's doing it all right now. He's doing everything I could ask for. the last time we talked I told him I just wanted some to stop doing things that hurt me. And he has.

I just don't know how that person that was can change into the person that is now. how to someone change so radically how does someone go from thinking its okay to have an affair to saying oh my god I see what a mistake that was I see how wrong that was?

I don't know if I can believe the new him. The real him as he claims it is.he's made me doubt myself and my judgment for so long that I don't know how to believe in him.I see the difference.its not just words its actions the actions are different, but the man is still the same.

Is this the result of the life altering eventthe A caused? Is this the real H? Can someone change so drastically?

[This message edited by Flatlined123 at 7:27 PM, August 28th (Wednesday)]

Me: BS H: WS
4 kids
DD #1 7-11-08
DD#2 8-21-09 same OW, A never ended.
Started R in 12-09
"If what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I should be able to bench press a Buick."

Posts: 973 | Registered: Jun 2012
♀ 39803
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Default  Posted: 7:36 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It is amazing how I see the exact thing I am going through pop up again and again here on SI. I have even brought this very question up with our therapist.

My H has gone so far as to say he doesn't even recognize himself in the A at this point, and it has only been 3 months since D Day.

I don't have a great answer other than to say that the affair was a crisis in our marriage. My H's coping mechanisms gave out, and he did a selfish, destructive, terrible thing.

I also have problems reconciling the person he is now with the person sneaking around, other than to know that his actions then weren't really about me. They were solely about him. He is working now to be the best husband he can be, and what I am getting now may be an idealized version of him. But, with therapy and a lot of introspection, I think the important parts can stick.

I feel closer than I ever have to him. I have to hope that there will be a strong pull for both of us to keep it this way. Of course, there is a lot of sh*t to work through, and a lot of bad days to come. A lot of hurt. But, we are all complicated people who, in the end, just want to be seen, loved and accepted for who we are. That's my belief. anyway.

me - BS (45) - DDay - June 2013
A was 2+ months, EA/PA
In MC & Reconciling
"Getting over a painful experience is much like crossing monkey bars. You have to let go at some point to move forward." -- C.S. Lewis.

Posts: 3521 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: USA
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Default  Posted: 7:40 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have never seen a person do a 180 like my H has. He treats me like a queen and has been consistent since Dday. He said it was like being blind and suddenly aware of what an a$$hole you are. He also recognized FOO issues he had never addressed before. He said he was sure he had lost me and was devastated.

This is not the man I married and so far it's for the good but I still question my sanity. It's like I am constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop and him go back to being a cold hearted selfish jerk.

[This message edited by PrincessPeach06 at 7:40 PM, August 28th (Wednesday)]

Me (BS): 36
Him aka narcissistic psychopath (WS): 36
Married 17 years 6 kids ages 16-7
DDay #1 (EA) July '08
DDay #2 (EA/ONS- different OW) May 15, 2013

Finally this is R 8/14/13

Filed for divorce 5/8/15

Posts: 326 | Registered: Jun 2013
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Default  Posted: 7:50 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think people can change drastically. I also think that in order to accept that the change is real, it takes consistency over time. Even then, it's hard. Thing is, I had to believe, I mean really really believe that no matter what, I would be okay. If he continued to be this "new" person, I'd be okay. If he didn't and it was all just to pacify me, I'd be okay. I had to (at some point) believe that, based on his actions and efforts) that he was sincere. Personally, I don't think anyone would go to such a horrible, dark, painful place in the process of healing to pacify anyone. That's just me and our situation though.

I think it's normal to think this. How can you trust that he's really changing? WHY is he changing NOW??? It sucks, but the catalyst to mr unfounds change was the discovery of the A. Do I wish it would have been some self awareness realization brought on by nothing more than his wanting to recognize his unhealthy behavior and change it? Sure. Would have saved us a lot of heartache and pain and MC costs for sure.

Kids on the playground can be so cruel. “Get off the swings you’re like 50, and stop talking about Soundgarden, we don't even know what that is."

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Default  Posted: 7:50 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It's almost been 1yr since DD and I still can't get over the change. For years I knew we could be so much more but had no idea how ( no idea of EA and ONS). He is the man I married and so so much more.
Time will tell you if it's for real and lasting.

BS 64
fWH 64
PA 22 yrs ago
Started as EA for 2 yrs then ONS CORRECTION Started as an EA for 8 years

Posts: 215 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: US
♀ 36976
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Default  Posted: 11:27 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My WH has changed dramatically but when he says, "I'm not that guy anymore," I think, no, this is the same guy who did all that stuff.

He still has the capacity to lie and feel no remorse. He still has the ability to lead a double life.

He may be sorry now for what he did, but he was still able to do it all. I guess I can only differentiate the actions (which are much improved). His lack of conscience and dishonesty still are a part of the whole of who he is.

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♀ 36976
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Default  Posted: 11:33 PM, August 28th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lord knows I would never have been able to do all that and sleep at night, yet he never stayed awake with anxiety during his ( 2 yr ) affair. He never fretted about missing the kids' birthday parties or about calling the married ho during family vacations.

He thought that her being married with kids of her own made her "safe".

He now looks back and realizes how sick that was, but what kind of person doesn't know that in the first place??

Who he is now and who he was then are a lot closer than who he is now and who I thought he was...There's a huge gap there.

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