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Lionne posted 9/7/2013 15:01 PM

We caught our feral friend, took it to the local pound for surgery and shots, brought it home to recuperate. The paperwork said male. But, there is an incision on the belly, and I cannot see any male parts when he rolls over on his back. I had to release him (her) as the captivity was too much and he was going to hurt himself in the cage. He's fine, strolling around the yard, sleeping, eating, coming when I call him, but really very much a wild thing although he loves his neck scratched and back stroked. On his terms, of course. He's about 7-8 months old, still has baby teeth.
So, is it a male or female? Of course, it's neutered now, but I'm curious... Have I used the wrong article throughout this post?

caregiver9000 posted 9/7/2013 15:09 PM

I had a male cat that when taken for neutering, the vet said that one of the testicles "shot up into the abdomen" and they cut the belly in order to remove it. When I questioned further, the vet said that it was not uncommon and that male cats often have one testicle that does not descend and required a belly incision.

btw, I am NOT a cat expert, but I was curious what the question was.

tushnurse posted 9/7/2013 15:22 PM

They can have undescended testes that some vets will make a small incision on their belly. However if you are unsure I would contact the vet because It is not a normal everyday occurrence.

Also if he is that old he should not have baby teeth any longer. What makes you think that they are baby teeth?

[This message edited by tushnurse at 3:24 PM, September 7th (Saturday)]

Lucky2HaveMe posted 9/7/2013 15:35 PM

Lift the tail. One hole = male, two = female

Lionne posted 9/7/2013 15:48 PM

Well, they look like baby teeth, they are small. He(she) is feral. It's only with some effort we were able to trap her/him for the surgery/vaccines. I had some vague idea of taming, but I gave that up when he/she was in the cage. There are definitely two holes! And the pound does a number of neuterings in a day so it's possible the paperwork got mixed up... there seem to be three or four small sutures on the belly.

[This message edited by scaredyKat at 3:48 PM, September 7th (Saturday)]

inhishands55 posted 9/7/2013 17:55 PM

I have a cat, who when I got her she only weighed 1 lb..
She is now going on 3 yrs old and her teeth are small and everyone who sees her ask how old she is...She has short legs, she appears to be a little kitten, but now she weighs over 8 lbs..She is still my baby though...

metamorphisis posted 9/7/2013 18:18 PM

I was going to say what tushnurse said. It's hard to tell from the surgery alone. My dog has one testicle that hadn't descended at his last vet visit and the vet said if it didn't the surgery would be more like a spay because they have to go in and find it.
I don't know how to tell. I called my sweet baby kitten a girl until we went to the vet and he said "What a cute little boy"

ThoughtIKnewYa posted 9/7/2013 19:00 PM

I thought it was two holes=female, three=male (bum is included in the count).

You CAN tame feral cats, but it takes a lot of patience. I have FOUR who were feral and now would shudder to think of going outside.

ETA: If we put ANY of our cats in a cage, they revert to wild. They do just fine hiding under a bed, when scared.

[This message edited by ThoughtIKnewYa at 7:04 PM, September 7th (Saturday)]

tushnurse posted 9/9/2013 08:14 AM

Well it sounds like she has a wild streak in her that may not allow her to tame down. I have been able to tame some, and not others.

My dad had one last year, that was a character, he would come an meow for food, love on your legs, but lay you open if you attempted to touch him....

Mousse242 posted 9/9/2013 17:41 PM

I've had cats for ages and if I put any of them in a cage they would go apeshit. Can you set up a bedroom for the cat with a litterbox and see how she/he does?

Lionne posted 9/9/2013 17:48 PM

Well, I haven't seen her/him since Saturday morning, but I have seen signs that she (I'm pretty sure it's a she) has been here. She knows where the food is, it looks like it's only her that is eating it, no one else. Because my indoor cat has no inoculations due to a rabies shot sarcoma. I can't bring this one inside. She's been given her basic shots but I have no idea if she's FIV+ or FIL+.

I think she'll be back. The last day I saw her, right after I let her out of the cage, I watched her stalk and catch a vole. Fortunately, we live on the edge of 6 acres of woods, so she has room. Hopefully she'll avoid the foxes and owls...

But I do enjoy it when she comes along. I think I could clearly become a crazy cat lady given the right circumstances!

[This message edited by scaredyKat at 5:50 PM, September 9th (Monday)]

tushnurse posted 9/10/2013 08:31 AM

scaredy - glad to hear that she is able to hunt on her own. That means she is pretty dang independent, and while nice to have around to kill the vermin, most likely won't be able to be tamed too much at this age.

Foxes, generall won't attack a cat, they are a little on the big side for them. Foxes themselves are shy, and don't want to have to get hurt while getting their food, diets usually consist of mice, voles/moles, baby bunnies, and sometimes a squirrel. Nothing much larger than a pound or two in size. However coyotes will and they work together as a pack to get critters. We had a few years where the coyotes took over our area, and all of our fox populations disappeared. So the folks around us hunted them, and now the fox have started to reappear. Oh and we have bobcats too. They are soooo coool.

Anyway I guess I digressed. Most of my success with taming down ferrel cats has come with doing it when they are still pretty small, and by bringing them into the house, in a small enclosed room. (My bedroom).

Dark Inertia posted 9/10/2013 17:31 PM

Sigh... When I read threads like these sometimes I have moments where I spazz out.

Last night I read this thread, and thought... Wow! Wouldn't it be crazy if my She cat is actually a He cat and I never knew. She is 12 years old and I have had her since she was 4 weeks old. Momentary panic set in. The idea of her actually being a guy was like my child coming out, or something. Then I told myself that I would love her no matter what, even if she was a him. But I had to know the truth. So I searched the interwebz for how to tell the sex of your cat.

I found this lovely youtube video where the woman said that the distance of the anal hole and the genital hole is a great indicator. If they are close together, female. Further apart, male.

So I grabbed my cat.

The video said to flip them on their back and move back their tail to get a close look. Fortunately, my cat grew up in my embraces so she didn't put up a fight but did let out an indignant "MEEEOOOOOWWWWW!!!" Whatever. But I couldn't see anything because her fur was in the way.

So I ran into the bedroom where my fiance was on the computer, shoved her ass in his face and asked: "Where is her genital hole compared to her anal hole?"

My poor SO. He gave me the craziest "WTF are you doing?!" look before laughing nervously and asking: "wwhhaaatt are you doing to her?" My cat was starting to get a bit restless and was mewing in her annoyed way. I had to explain to him this thread and his response: "She's spayed. And you take her to the vet every year. Don't you think someone would have told you by now?"

It was like the momentary madness was lifted. And all I could say was "ooohh.... yeaaah."

So, uhmmm.... good thread.

[This message edited by Dark Inertia at 5:36 PM, September 10th (Tuesday)]

Lionne posted 9/10/2013 17:56 PM

That's funny! I still don't know with this one. It's back. And not very hungry, although the bowl of food is empty in the morning. I see two holes, and an upside down exclamation point so I'm thinking she...moot point, neutered. And Nurse, no coyotes or bobcats this far south in jersey yet, but they are coming.
She ADORES being petted and scratched now. As a matter of fact, that's why she came back, running when I meowed out the back yard (my neighbors know I'm crazy, no harm there) She's meowing at me now for attention and will even let my fwh pet her.
But she is very little, I'm betting no more than 3-5 lbs. I'll try to upload a picture so one of you experts can give me an opinion. She has a kittenish look about her, so I think she's young...
Still can't bring her in but we'll make sure she has access to shelter.

tushnurse posted 9/10/2013 22:02 PM

If she is that young then you maybe able to tame her. Do you have a small half bath. This works well too. Give her a box and blankie to hide in if you bring her in. Even if she stays outside give her a space she feels safe.

Females are supposed to be easier to domesticate than males. I know my dad had a heck if a time trying with his last ferrel. I currently have one that has no ta il and is quite fluffy. Thought it was a boy but.... Just this morning saw what appeared to be a half grown version if her. So I guess it's a girl. Don't know if they are totally wild or not. Have neighbors that give meth head and tweeker new meaning. So I think they come from them. Don't even want a reason to acknowledge their existence.

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