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Joanh posted 9/24/2013 09:09 AM

Two words my BH can never say about me again, two words I can never give back to him. Two words that I feel helpless about. Two that I see as the end. Two words I have no Idea how to over come. Two words that are sending me to the bottom once again. I prefer staying angry at the world right now then feel like this . I know I can't articulate to my H how this makes me feel and how I feel about what I have done. And I just don't know what to do anymore.
I know tmorrow is a different day , its just so far away.
How do you reconcile with yourself what you gave up and took away from another person. How do you make up for that.? Can it be, or is it just a loosing battle. I just don't know.
These two words spoken by my BH last night, These words are what I couldn't figure out where mmy total helplessness was coming from. the fruitless feeling. Its these two feelings I can never do anything about. Which makes it so hard to reconcile, cause nothing will ever be complete. There will be that missing piece forever. And I took it away ME!

Neznayou posted 9/24/2013 09:28 AM

I took those two words away from my BH also. It hurts realizing what I've done. It is horrible to see the pain and conflict he is experiencing and knowing that I did this.

A few months after DDay, my husband was gone for the evening. Before he got home, I wrote a long love letter on the bathroom mirror (using a dry erase marker). I signed it something like "forever after faithfully yours". Even though he was triggered on the way home and was in a rough spot by the time he got home, he read the message and asked me to leave it up. (I did, of course; it was his message to keep for as long as he liked.) The next day, he said he really appreciated what I had written except for one thing; he erased "after". He said that if I continued to write "after" then we would always be reminded of "before" and he wanted to get to a place where my A didn't sit at the forefront of our relationship.

We are now almost 14 months past DDay. We still have days that are a little more tender-painful than others, but I see so much progress and so much has changed. I can no longer say that I have "always been faithful and loyal," but I can say that I AM faithful and loyal and will continue to be so until the day I die. I can say that with much more certainty than ever before.

I can never "make up" for hurting my husband like I did. What I can do is demonstrate, actively demonstrate my love for him every single day and make sure that he never, ever has any reason to doubt where my loyalties lie.

It sucks, yes. You did it, yes. I did it, without a doubt. And as trite as it sounds, that was yesterday. Look for the future and how you will make it better for yourself and for him. Start today.

Best of luck,


Aubrie posted 9/24/2013 09:40 AM

Yeah, I pretty much deleted those words from my vocabulary. Dunno if QS acknowledges them or not. We can use the whole "then and now" bit, but really, "You're faithful and" It's just a painful reminder for both parties.

Something QS said over the weekend, "Well it took 10 years, but I finally have the girl I always wanted to marry." Oh that cut like a knife. On one hand, yay for me. Progress right? He loves me and sees something of quality that prompts him to stay! On the other hand, holy crap. I was such a mess and blew up our world, how can he possible love/forgive me!?

We screw up so much with our affairs and the reminders can be obvious or come out of nowhere. I think this is where the thick skin comes into play. Acknowledge the hurt, feel it, then keep walkin'. That's what I keep telling myself anyway.


Joanh posted 9/24/2013 09:49 AM

Thanks for hearing me :-)

Neznayou posted 9/24/2013 10:15 AM

Aubrie, in MC and in IC, I have come to realize that I probably never was the wife that my husband wanted. We were married in 1994!! Talk about feeling unworthy of love and forgiveness! What did I show him that made him want to stick around for so long? It is so humbling to be in the face of such great love.

SisterMilkshake posted 9/24/2013 10:22 AM

Hugs to all you fine ladies. (((all)))

On the flip side of the coin, those words are sometimes the only words that I have to get me through another day of feeling like I was so much less.

hardlessons posted 9/24/2013 10:27 AM

Two words that I feel helpless about. Two that I see as the end

Joanh, I hear what your saying. Something I have learned though is that you can be loyal and faithful and still be a real POS. You can be honest and be a complete ass etc. I used to think that words like that were destinations, but they are really actions. Actions that we choose daily, a course we choose to ride on. Did you and I get wayyyy off course? Absolutly! We can still right the ship and learn how to make better/healthy choices. Good luck

Aubrie posted 9/24/2013 10:29 AM

I have come to realize that I probably never was the wife that my husband wanted. We were married in 1994!! Talk about feeling unworthy of love and forgiveness!

Yep. He knew I was screwed up from day 1, but I dunno, guess he was hoping I would "see the light" alot sooner than I did. Maybe he thought a change in my environment would be enough, maybe he thought he could love me enough. I really have no idea. It puzzles me. If I was such a colossal bitch, why did he stay so long and why does he stay now?

It is so humbling to be in the face of such great love.
Pretty much.

I've had people tell me that they've seen a love and adoration for me in QS's eyes that they've rarely seen before. I've had glimpses of it. I hold onto that. When the doubts come up, when the hurt washes over, I hold onto those glimpses of breathtaking love I've seen, the stability and consistency of his care and support, his example of integrity and honesty.

ETA: Cross posted with SMS


[This message edited by Aubrie84 at 10:31 AM, September 24th (Tuesday)]

uncertainone posted 9/24/2013 10:41 AM

Why? I do not understand this any time I read it. Why are those words never to be used for you again? That's maudlin self defeating bullshit. You do realize life is not static. Those words do not describe many people at points in their marriage. Good...bad. So, I did something wrong yesterday, I have to remove good from my vocabulary. Doesn't really work like that for bad, though, does it? We seem to cement that little sucker on like it's a tattoo.

Ever read other posts? See some behavior that wouldn't be considered loyal or faithful? Hell, some of it ain't even legal. Trauma excuses? If so, this site would be a lot smaller on the wayward side.

People are complex and creative when it comes to ways to fuck shit up. Some are courageous and strong enough to take hard honest looks and work to be better at this whole people thing. Some just slap the labels on, accept them from others and give up. Have little patience for them.

Besides, always thought loyal and faithful were more descriptors for a dog, although when mine ate my Manolo's dead was almost a far better choice.

StrongerOne posted 9/24/2013 10:52 AM

I think you can use them again. They are qualities (not just words) that you can demonstrate, over time. They are qualities your BS could come to see in you again.

2+ years past DDay, I can say that, wierdly, my H was always loyal in a way (he never allowed his AP to talk trash about me, in fact annoyed her with how positively he presented me), and he is NOW faithful.

So I can use those words to describe him now, and I hope I can continue to use them in the future.

And maybe the same will be true for you and your H.

Joanh posted 9/24/2013 14:12 PM

Its amazing to those BS that can see the positives. Where do you find it? Thank you for being here as well.
To all that have replied today. Its a hard one to get through. It stops me in my tracks , and honestly its another part of this stupidity of mine that brings me to my knees. I honestly have never been a religious person, I believe, I have never prayed for guidance as much as I have these days. To give me the strength to find away to walk with my head held up again. To walk beside my BH and feel like I deserve to be there and for he to be proud of me once again , to give him back his belief in love, his belief that I do love him, and I do have his back .
UC I get what you are saying. Its easy holding onto the bad discritors, its not a lot of work really, and its easy for the world to see them too. I Know I am better person than I was yesterday even an hour agao. Each step I take I have a better thought, I am not my(A) I am me , Someone who loves , cares, is strong and loyal and faithful. I have been this at many times in my life. I will today and in the future.
The fact is though I took that belief from my BH,. And I how does a person make it up for something that is so fundamentally needed and been wanted by the other person. By the look on his face and the sound of his voice I may never be able too.
This is where my cross of consequence is added too. There may be nothing I can do.

Jrazz posted 9/24/2013 17:33 PM

Seeing the positives (as a BS) is a work in progress. As time passes, it definitely falls on us to be vigilant about reality vs insecurity.

Don't give up hope, Joanh. You're coming up on the 1 year anti of your DDay. Things tend to get a little more cloudy and backslidy for the BS right about now.

As the years progress, just know that it is up to each of us to be the best person we can be. We can't control how we are perceived. Keep building that trust and hope that in time your BH will see and feel the new, more authentic you. It's absolutely possible. It just takes a lot of work to get there.


tooanalytical posted 9/24/2013 18:39 PM

Great topic. As a BH 5 years out, I love my FWW and the M that we have now. (I also thought the old M wasn't too bad either).

It bothered me a lot early after d-day that faithful and loyal were gone and I had to always question whether she was 'ok and still with me'.

Our 25 year anniversary went by last year. I was proud we made it but at the same time wasn't ready to celebrate publicly. Being married in the church I celebrated and thanked God for being by our side and not leaving us the whole time.

I guess if I am alive for our 50th anniversary and I have to make a public statement I will thank God again and tell everyone how much I love FWW, how much I cherished her support and companionship and how thankful I am for "all the years she was loyal and faithful to me". No one needs to how many that actually was...

SisterMilkshake posted 9/24/2013 18:53 PM

I love that tooanalytical! Yes, that is the way to look at it, for me, anyway. Thanks for giving me that perspective.

Joanh posted 9/24/2013 19:33 PM

Thanks for the support all. I really appreciate all that are here to listen , guide and support.
I am so thankful for this site.
And very thankful for my life.

Neznayou posted 9/25/2013 08:36 AM

Tooanalytical, I love hearing from individuals who are further away from their DDays than we are from ours (Aug 2012). Knowing that even if I think today is good, there are better ones coming.

This is a great way to look at it:

tell everyone how much I love FWW, how much I cherished her support and companionship and how thankful I am for "all the years she was loyal and faithful to me". No one needs to how many that actually was...

Uncertainone, you have an excellent point. Why is it easier for us to hold on to negative qualities and not positive ones? My BH has more than once reminded me that even though I did a horrible thing, I am not a horrible person. I think it's a spin on the whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" attitude, but it is still hard to apply to oneself.

LosferWords posted 9/25/2013 09:43 AM

There's certain words... like faithful, loyal, authentic, trustworthy... these are all "present day" words. Live them all in the present day, and after years of practice, they become part of your core. They become part of you. Nothing can take the past away, but then again, nothing can take away who you choose to be from this day on.

Sal1995 posted 9/25/2013 15:40 PM

Why is it easier for us to hold on to negative qualities and not positive ones?

Because we're supposed to know right from wrong. We among the other animals have reason and free will to guide us, not to mention standards and mores that have been passed down through the ages; the rest are driven by instinct. Yet we all screw up at one time or another, anyway. Some more dramatically than others. It's a great paradox of humanity.

[This message edited by Sal1995 at 3:42 PM, September 25th (Wednesday)]

cantaccept posted 9/25/2013 15:54 PM

I look back, to the days before dday, to the days before he became careless of me, to the days when he was respectful of me, to the days he was loyal and faithful. I saw that in him. I knew, even when he showed me his worst, that the good was inside. I saw his battle with himself, with who I knew he wanted to be.

I saw that in him and I ached for him. I couldn't make the changes for him, all I was capable of doing was loving him, and I did always.

I wasn't capable of making the changes in me that I needed to. I couldn't even see them, maybe I didn't want to see them.

Now I have to make those changes, cannot pretend not to see.

Now he has to make those necessary changes also. I see him now, not just wishing to be different but working for it.

We both are, we both backslide. We continue the struggle.

The only way that I can go forward and choose to share my life with him is to see that work, those changes.

He is working to become that man he always wanted to be. He is working to become that loyal, faithful, respectful man that he wants to be.

We can never change the past, we can only learn from it. We can only work towards a future, a better future.

We cannot change who we were. We can only work on who we are now with the hope and determination of becoming who we wish to be.

So much pain involved in this. So much work. To realize that dream, to become stronger, to choose to be faithful and loyal, not because it's expected but because you respect and love each other in an honest, open, intimate way, a way that was not possible before, because you WANT to.

If this is the price and that state of being can be achieved then all this pain will have been worth it.

I wonder if I ever could have appreciated the gift of love, intimacy, faithfulness and loyalty as deeply as I do now, if it had not been ruptured.

I know for my h and I, we never would have been able to confront ourselves, see what needed to change, if this crises had not occurred.

I will never feel "good" about what h did, but I will appreciate the changes it has caused for us.

Sorry this is so long and I think I have gotten way off track. Lately, my brain seems to have a mind of its' own.

Basically, Faithfulness and loyalty in the present and future are more important to me now. That is what I am risking my heart for.

rachelc posted 9/25/2013 17:34 PM

I was faithful and loyal for all but 4 months of my now 26 year marriage. If you had to put a label on me "pregnant" would be a better one. Not that anymore either...

sorry, I'm being facitious but you get my drift....

[This message edited by rachelc at 5:34 PM, September 25th (Wednesday)]

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