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User Topic: Does it matter? I need opinions!!!
♀ 40133
Member # 40133
Concerned  Posted: 11:21 AM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Please, I need your opinions...

When we find out a new detail of the A, it feels like I am being cut all over again! Do those types of details really matter, or should we envelope them into the "Affair Package"?

For example...WH told me he had texted the prostitute once for directions, and that she texted him back once to provide directions, and also that he used a per diem check he cashed to pay for her. However, I found out today that he took the money directly out of our savings account (the withdrawal is right there in black and white for the exact amount!), and that there may have been several texts back and forth between them about who-knows-what!

I am furious! But I'm also somewhat torn...should those kinds of details really matter? It obviously doesn't take away or add to the horrible, despicable things he did. He used *our* money (whether it was in our savings or in the form of a per diem check) to pay for a prostitute...and do the exact number of text messages really matter in this case? Should I try harder to let go of those details and focus on what he is doing NOW to be a better husband, father, and person overall? It's not like he's done any of this stuff since DDay (except for lying and TTing, which he assures me is over now...I guess we'll see about that!).

Also, I'm scouring our old cell phone records trying to find *something* more from before DDay. Again, does it matter? Let's say I do find I wrap it up into the "Affair Package" and say, "That was the old 1DH, I should be focusing on the NEW 1DH and what he has done to make changes for now and for the future!" ??? What would you guys do?

Thank you in advance for your input!!! It is greatly appreciated!

Me (BW): 34
SAFWH (1DumbHusband): 37
Married 7 years with 2 beautiful kiddos
BIG D-Day: June 17th, 2013

Too many freaking TTs that nearly cost us our marriage; currently in reconciliation.

"Love isn't a feeling, it's a decision."

Posts: 323 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: Dallas, TX
♀ 39588
Member # 39588
Default  Posted: 11:57 AM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The lying would bother me, at this point what would it matter to just tell the truth as to how he paid?

I never divulged too much into messages but in my H's case it was all done through Facebook and was long gone even before the actual act. To me how many messages that were sent isn't all that important or even exact words, just knowing there was flirting and pics was enough to process and get past. I don't dwell much on all of that anymore. I also don't dig (into past stuff) but each situation is so different, I guess you must do what you feel comfortable with.

Me (BS): 36
Him aka narcissistic psychopath (WS): 36
Married 17 years 6 kids ages 16-7
DDay #1 (EA) July '08
DDay #2 (EA/ONS- different OW) May 15, 2013

Finally this is R 8/14/13

Filed for divorce 5/8/15

Posts: 326 | Registered: Jun 2013
♀ 21101
Member # 21101
Default  Posted: 12:10 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

does it matter? That you found out a new fact related to an event that occured? NO at the end of the day that does not matter.

Does it matter that he lied to you about this new fact? YES!!! This is extremely important, and should be made a big deal of. For some WS's lying is such a part of the whole thing that it becomes habit, and it's the easiest thing to do when questioned, and felt cornered. In reality, it's what will kill your trust quicker than anything. Your H needs to understand that under any circumstances lying is unacceptable, and you will not tolerate it. If found in lies, esp lies told after Dday the hammer has to come down really flipping hard.

Be strong, know that you are in the right, and his lies are hurting any chance at real R.

Him: FWS
Kids: 18 & 20
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
R'd in about 2 years. Old Vet now.

Posts: 13172 | Registered: Oct 2008 | From: St. Louis
♀ 33732
Member # 33732
Default  Posted: 12:11 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh hell yeah it matters!! Omissions are lies.

I see your DDay was not long ago. I went through this for almost a year until I had hit max capacity. It was either full painful and all out disclosure or I was gone. It was almost worse than DDay but when it was over. I simply asked if there was anymore, when he said no that time, I knew the truth. So now it is all out, the ugly details are on the table. I can start picking up pieces because I am not worrying about the thing around the corner.

I would say this is a life event where it is better to have every nasty fact so you can't be blindsided.

Him - FWSO
OW - DBC Xwife
DDAY 09/14/11 ONS w/DBCxWOW with 4 mos EA
Solidly in R

Posts: 1005 | Registered: Oct 2011 | From: MA
♀ 40133
Member # 40133
Default  Posted: 2:20 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you all for your input!

I guess I'm wondering WHY I keep digging to find stuff from pre-DDay...shouldn't I be focusing on seeing if he's done anything new since DDay? (Other than the lying about details, TTing, etc. are damaging enough!)

Obviously there is going to be a lot of crap from pre-DDay. He admits there is a lot out there, especially in cyberspace. He says he just doesn't remember every website he may have visited or signed up for, every user name or handle he used on such websites, or who he may have "chatted" with. He assures me there is NO other women he met up with (other than the prostitute and the two women he met in person from websites). He said he did NOT meet up with them multiple times, they were just one time occurrences each. I also have the details about each sexual experience, which he TT'd until I actually found out the truth. (I actually spoke to one of the women he met up with from offline, and I found his lovely little escort review he wrote for his prostitute detailing exactly what he did with her, so...)

That should be the big stuff that really matters, right? Shouldn't I now be focused on his actions NOW and what he's done/currently doing to fix himself and to help fix our marriage? If so, then why am I dwelling on the details of the past and digging, digging, digging for anything I can find???

Me (BW): 34
SAFWH (1DumbHusband): 37
Married 7 years with 2 beautiful kiddos
BIG D-Day: June 17th, 2013

Too many freaking TTs that nearly cost us our marriage; currently in reconciliation.

"Love isn't a feeling, it's a decision."

Posts: 323 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: Dallas, TX
♂ 40622
Member # 40622
Default  Posted: 2:45 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

For me, I think you can't have trust in the future until you have been honest with the past.

You are just trying to nail down the past. It will drive you crazy until you KNOW the whole story. So, yes it matters to you, and that's all that matters period. You have the right attitude about details not being the point. Honesty is the point. Just try to let go of as much as you can for your own mental health. It's hard to do.

D Day: 3/31/13

Posts: 138 | Registered: Sep 2013
♂ 16345
Member # 16345
Default  Posted: 2:48 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It matters if you feel you will ever *forgive* your WS.

To forgive I feel you have to fully know WHAT your forgiving.

Forgive and forget = Relive and regret.

Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Posts: 3483 | Registered: Sep 2007
♂ 37455
Member # 37455
Default  Posted: 2:55 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(Other than the lying about details

How could you ever be certain about what he's doing now?

In and of themselves, how much you want to know about the details is up to you. Some(me) need all the gritty details to determine the proper amount of brain bleach. Others, not so much.

But if you're not getting honesty(total), is anything he says/does believable?

BH 53, WW 45
DS 25(Mine),SD 24,SS 23(Hers),DS 12 Ours, DGS 6, DGD 2
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 13yrs
I have no love for a friend who loves in words alone.
― Sophocles, Antigone

Posts: 5493 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: midwest
♀ 38399
Member # 38399
Default  Posted: 10:00 PM, October 2nd (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My husband only admitted to the one whore then I found 16 others by googling every single number on the phone bill for the last 18 months then he admitted to fucking whores for the last nine years and bjs at massage parlors going back 15 years. Honestly I highly doubt he only slept with one whore, especially if he did it in 2011, those guys dont just do it once. They call it a "hobby". Dig girl you need to know the extent of his Infidelity otherwise you will always wonder.

Me BS: 42
WH: 44
DDay- April 17, 2013
Married 22 years
3 children: 18, 15 & 9

Posts: 160 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: 1devastedmom
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