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tushnurse posted 10/16/2013 08:36 AM

OK I have always loved post apocolyptic stuff. Books, movies, etc.
I just watched the first 2 episodes of this story, and I do not find it to be very good. I think the directing almost insulting to ones intellegence.

So my question to all you fans out there is does it get better, or is this par for the series?

StillGoing posted 10/16/2013 08:41 AM

I love post apoc and zombies and don't like that show either. Have made it a few more episodes in and it just got worse for me.

simplydevastated posted 10/16/2013 08:44 AM

I friggin' love this show. I got hooked over the summer when they ran the first marathon.

I just take it for what it is, entertainment. I try not to read too much into "that wouldn't happen in real life" and just go with it.

There's a lot of fighting the walkers (obviously) and trying to get their "camp" organized to survive. Daryl and Rick are my favorites. I love seeing Hershel come around in his thinking about the walkers and watching the characters progress as they have to deal with new threats, not just the walkers. It was hard to find out what happens later to Morgan because he couldn't shoot his wife who had turned.

I think it's a great show.

StillGoing posted 10/16/2013 09:04 AM

I try not to read too much into "that wouldn't happen in real life" and just go with it.

I guess the problem with this for me is that the writers actively make the characters perform the most singularly stupid antics just to get something in particular to happen. When the writers do something like that in Zombieland or Shaun of the Dead it works great because those flicks don't take themselves so seriously. When a show or movie is trying to present something seriously then the rules are a little different - like in World War Z, for instance.

The story there spends a lot of time on tactics against large scale zombie attacks. It breaks down for me because it spends too much time and detail on a situation that is so massively stupid it just doesn't look good. The characters in that story adopted older methods of warfare and a different kind of weapon they felt were better suited to dealing with zombies; setting aside the stupidity of the tactics involved, they ran out of ammo. I don't care if you give the U.S. Army a crate of lasers, if they're told they have to use it then they will make sure they have enough batteries to shoot the moon into tiny rocks, and if you give them to the Marines then the Marines will make sure they bring their own toys along.

So the writer wasn't just trying to convey that OMG ZOMBIES OVERRUN but convey that they did it in a certain, very specific way - that he just didn't make work. If it was about OMFG ZOMBIES OVERRUN then he could have easily found a story prop that worked without challenging suspension of disbelief so much it broke. For some reason though, he wanted to make the message that modern tactics and contemporary weapons were not effective - which is fine, but he fell into Star Trek syndrome of over explaining until it just looked stupid.

Like whenever a movie says "SIR THE FIREWALLS ARE FAILING" and anybody with a clue about IT averts their eyes.

I guess we all have different thresholds for that stuff. I can't enjoy a story where I'm told characters are smart or gritty and watch them do shit like wander off to fuck in some zombie infested woodland. I don't think anyone is wrong to enjoy it and if you do then I hope it is a bridge to other post apoc (because I want to see moar~) and don't want try and discourage. I just... feel very strongly about it. For some reason.

[This message edited by StillGoing at 9:05 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)]

simplydevastated posted 10/16/2013 10:11 AM

I haven't seen World War Z so I can't speak to that movie. I'm sure it's great, but I don't like Brad Pitt so I don't watch his movies. That's just me.

I never said Lori and Shane going out into the woods for a quickie was genius idea. In fact, when I first saw a part of one episode (prior to the marathon that got me hooked) where Andrea and Shane had just finished fighting the walkers. They drive away and she grabs him and they have sex in the middle of road that really made my eyes roll. I even told a friend (who was watching the show long before me) that if I suddenly found myself in an apocalyptic world and fighting zombies, sex would be the last thing on my mind. I gave it another chance during the summer marathon and I now I love it. As I said, I like seeing how the characters develop because of the things they have to do and the fighting they have to do against the walkers and the living. I find it interesting.

lost_in_toronto posted 10/16/2013 10:55 AM

The books are one million trillion times better. Really.

I've been reading Walking Dead for years, and I was excited for the show. But I really don't like it. My WS does, though, so I've watched it. Season one is the worst season, I think it does get better.

If you like post apocalyptic stuff, read the books. So good. So so so good.

NotDefeatedYet posted 10/16/2013 23:52 PM

I think it was mad magazine that did a spoof during last season. It was called, "People arguing... And sometimes zombies show up." It's a good series, but you have to get to know the characters in order to like it.

World war z was pretty good, because it had some factual premise to it, being based on max brooks' book.

One of the best zombie movies I've seen in a while is Warm Bodies. It plays off the whole zombie genre and is just a really good movie.

lieshurt posted 10/17/2013 08:46 AM

I like it because it makes you think about human behavior and how your own behavior/choices may change given the circumstances that are presented to you. Most people would assume that your worst enemy is the zombies, but it isn't. Your worst enemy is other humans.
In this new world, who do you trust? How do you trust? It's just food for thought.

sadone29 posted 10/17/2013 08:51 AM

The graphic novels are much much better! I watch the show out of loyalty, and over time, I've come to enjoy it for what it is.

I love apocolyptic stuff too. I'm a writer, and almost finished my pre-apocolyptic novel!

tushnurse posted 10/17/2013 10:19 AM

Wow thanks for the feedback.
I will check out the books, as I am an avid reader. I did read world war Z this summer, and liked it. I also kinda enjoyed the movie, although really not much like the book.

I do honestly beleive the end of humanity will come from some sort of bug/virus/infection that will get us. I think more along the lines of Captain Trips, or I am Legend.

Rebreather posted 10/17/2013 11:27 AM

I don't expect my zombie shows to be perfect. Uh. It's a show about zombies. From the outset you are suspending some rational thoughts.

I just find it interesting, the different ways we as humans will deal with the end of the world. Characters come, characters go. I was pretty happy when Lori died.

I'm the opposite of some; I DO THINK sex would be a part of things in that manner. It's a pretty life affirming act in the midst of despair.

tushnurse posted 10/17/2013 12:52 PM

I dont' have an issue of that couldn't happen, what I did have an issue with was the director of show.

I seriously thought he was insulting my intelligence, like the time they are in the woods getting ready to have sex, she grabs her wedding ring on her necklace, so yah I get she is pondering if she's doing the right thing. Then she takes it off, and he focuses on that, then they get busy, and then they show the damn ring on the necklace again. Really?? I got it the first time. She is questioning herself, there is foreshadowing that something is going to happen, hell we know her H is still alive, of course something will happen.
I just don't have patience for being dummed down to.

Sorry that kind of turned into a rant. Is it Friday yet?

StillGoing posted 10/17/2013 17:14 PM

Well yeah, I'd like to knock boots as much as possible in a post apoc setting, but going out to do that in a zombie infested woodland is out of the category of stress relief and into the realm of "These are some of the people who should be zombies too" IMO. It would be life affirming up until GRAAAH BRAINZ took a chomp out of your honeys ass in a grisly way. It's like these people have never watched a horror movie in their lives.

The entire horror genre of the 80s was focused on How To Kill People Having Sex and the most popular for several years was In The Woods.

Though I have to say the one Friday the 13th flick where it started off with the girl in the shower in the cabin, who runs off into the woods screaming.. I almost threw my remote at the screen and said Fuck This. Until she turned out to be an FBI agent baiting the monster and luring him into a kill zone. I wish I remember which movie that was.

cantlivewithouth posted 10/17/2013 17:16 PM

The graphic novels are much much better!

Amen to this!!!!!! I love the graphic novels and the novels about the Governor. Very good!

I do like the show, but the books are soooooo much better!

Rebreather posted 10/17/2013 17:23 PM

"These are some of the people who should be zombies too

Which is why I was glad Lori died. And Andrea. Why we gotta like everyone? Not everyone at the end of the world is gonna make it. Some are gonna get Darwined.

StillGoing posted 10/17/2013 17:29 PM

Well, you're right, we don't have to like everyone. I really like what happened at the end of A Boy And His Dog.

JanaGreen posted 10/18/2013 08:51 AM

I think I may be the only person who watches Walking Dead who didn't hate Andrea. She did some highly stupid shit but I didn't hate her.

Whorey Lori I detested, but nobody deserves what she got. Holy shit.

JanaGreen posted 10/18/2013 08:52 AM

Oh and I just wanted to add CARL GET IN THE HOUSE.

simplydevastated posted 10/18/2013 09:10 AM

The entire horror genre of the 80s was focused on How To Kill People Having Sex and the most popular for several years was In The Woods.

This is so true and they even touched on it in the movie Scream when the kids were at the party. The one kid (can't remember his name) was talking about the do's and don't's in horror movies and how the virgin never gets killed. etc...

Though I have to say the one Friday the 13th flick where it started off with the girl in the shower in the cabin, who runs off into the woods screaming.. I almost threw my remote at the screen and said Fuck This. Until she turned out to be an FBI agent baiting the monster and luring him into a kill zone. I wish I remember which movie that was.

I don't remember that one. I love those movies, as cheesy as they are. AMC (I think it's AMC) is running a Jason marathon and I just saw Jason X - Jason in Space

Andrea was annoying. I'm glad that character is gone.

Whorey Lori

Lori's ending was

Carl never listens! I was so sure he was going to get it when he stumbled upon the walker stuck in the mud.

I liked Dale, and was sad to his character go.

Daryl and Rick are my favorites, they totally kick ass!

[This message edited by simplydevastated at 9:12 AM, October 18th (Friday)]

gonnabe2016 posted 10/18/2013 09:21 AM

going out to do that in a zombie infested woodland

2 points:
(1) IIRC, didn't the people believe that the zombies were in the city? They 'real' people were watchful, but at the time of 'woods-sex' the forest wasn't yet over-run by zombies.

(2) I think that scene was more about visually showing that the relationship was an illicit one.....

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