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User Topic: What is rock bottom?
♀ 39901
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Default  Posted: 9:01 PM, October 20th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I was just reading other posts on this site and there is some discussion regarding hit rock bottom.

I understand the concept and it makes sense. What I wonder about is for those men (or women) who cheat and move on - what is their rock bottom?

I don't see that much suffering for those who are capable of dumping one family and starting another... maybe just the fact that they are able to do that to begin with they don't feel the same pain at having done it or suffering of consequences? They find a new wife/husband, maybe have more children... meanwhile, those left behind pick up the pieces. Are they getting too much credit when we assume that they even have a "rock bottom?"

I apologize if this a bit of a rambling email...kind of throwing a thought out there.

Posts: 138 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: NW
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Default  Posted: 9:14 PM, October 20th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

An interesting question...I suppose it depends on if they go start a new life with their AP. if it was meaningless and they are thrown out of the marital home to go live alone, I would think that would be rock bottom, especially if there are kids they only get a few days a month. If there was an AP they go start over with, rock bottom comes when that doomed relationship goes belly up as soon as it is faced with the normal hardships of a real relationship. Now wayward has to face they threw away a family for something stupid. I like to think the timing may be different, but they all have to hit it.

40 somethings - me BW after 20 years
D Day April 2013
Divorced November 2013
Time is a great healer but a terrible beautician.

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♀ 38458
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Default  Posted: 12:48 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think for some WS "rock bottom" is lower than a functional person could imagine. My ex tossed his family like garbage *thinking* that he was going to start a new life with OW. In reality as soon as I kicked my ex out his ass was on his own.

At the time we owned our own home and for months he was homeless and living in a hotel quickly maxing out his credit card on random junk and living off of fast food. Sounds close to bottom to me but apparently not to the stubborn mule I married. He now lives in a tiny, overpriced apartment totally alone. The temporary "friends" during the affair, like the OW, are long gone. You can count on your fingers how many HOURS he spends with his children a *month*, he has no money, he is up to his eyeballs in debt and his health is poor (according to him so that part could be truth or a ploy for pity).

His life is TRAGIC.

Is that rock bottom? Not his rock bottom apparently. He is likely a narcissist so he doesn't see things the way a normal person would. But whether he is a narcissist or not, he blames his sad situation on me and takes ZERO responsibility for his life. I don't know if there is a rock bottom for someone like that. If he ends up homeless and alone he will likely still see himself as the helpless victim who couldn't have changed a thing because it's never his fault.

Me-29 Starting over
ExWH-29 Probable NPD, PA, manchild
3 beautiful young children
DDay 1/20/13 Admits PA
No remorse so NO R. DIVORCED! 9/2013

Posts: 541 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: USA
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Default  Posted: 12:57 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Not everyone who deserves a rock bottom has one. Some people who NEED a rock bottom don't experience it.

Having a rock bottom means the person is self-aware and capable/desiring to grow & be a better person. Not everyone is capable of that. So they go on their merry way, never seeming to truly suffer in this life, leaving some of us shattered and bloody in their wake. The ultimate hit 'n run.

Me = BS
Him = EX-d out (abusive troglodyte NPD SA)
3 tween-aged kids
Together 20 years
D-Day: Memorial Weekend 2011
2013 - DIVORCED!

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Default  Posted: 6:13 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I personally think the sad clown lives in rock-bottom town. The only thing that brings any light into his life is a new 'luurve' - a new mask.

It is no way to live.

Please read "Romantic Infidelity":

This part especially:

Romantic affairs lead to a great many divorces, suicides, homicides, heart attacks, and strokes, but not to very many successful remarriages. No matter how many sacrifices you make to keep the love alive, no matter how many sacrifices your family and children make for this crazy relationship, it will gradually burn itself out when there is nothing more to sacrifice to it. Then you must face not only the wreckage of several lives, but the original depression from which the affair was an insane flight into escape.

He will never stop this cycle long enough to face himself and do the work necessary to be a functioning adult. That's why I say he lives in rock bottom.

I may have reached a point where I'd piss on him if he was on fire.... eventually!!

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♂ 40268
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Default  Posted: 8:30 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

one example is my mother in law or stbxmil she cheated on my fil and took 100,000 cash to sign over custody of my stbxww and her sister. The cash was for her and her new boyfriend to start a business together, the business tanked in less than a year and the boyfriend dumped her soon after. She gained 150 lbs. and never lost it and now has three boyfriends that she juggles and uses for her benefit. They all cheat on her too except one , that guy she abuses the hell out of. it is sad. so , do I think she hit rock bottom? yes I think her miserable existence is rock bottom!

"respect? you don't deserve it, you won't get any from me unless you earn it"

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♀ 39901
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Default  Posted: 10:21 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and stories on this.

I think my situation is what NG calls "the ultimate hit and run." My stbx didn't have any qualms living a lie (double-life) and then when he didn't want to any more he just left. To he@& with his wife and kids. I am not sure, but I think his affair partner dumped him when he left. Doesn't bother him from what I can tell. He makes a heft salary so there will be a steady flow of *admirer/friends* to make him feel whatever it is his empty hole of a soul needs.

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Default  Posted: 10:50 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I keep asking myself this about WH. I would like to think he will finally hit it when he is alone (2 weeks 4 days) but his history shows me otherwise. He will put us all in a box and re-write history to make ME the bad guy. It's just what he does. So sad really.

Me - BS original Dday 10-2012, separated June 2014, divorce Fall 2016

Grief, loss and pain taunt her - "you will never be the same." Like a Phoenix rising from the ashes, she rises and spreads her new wings as she brushes off the ashes an

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♂ 37898
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Default  Posted: 11:37 AM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Interesting thread:

Months ago--before I made my decision to file--my STBXWW drove up, hysterically crying and told me just these words: "I've hit rock bottom."

But she hadn't. She was, in retrospect, just feeling sorry for herself. I believe, as she moves into her "life" with the AP, she will have her rock bottom "moments," but they will pass. If there is anyone paying any attention to her--as the AP is, at least for the time being--she will not know the meaning of true rock bottom.

All must be lost, and I mean ALL--nobody to cater to the drama, to serve, to beg--before rock bottom is experiences. But for these narcissists, it won't last long, since someone else will always come along to rescue them.

Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

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Default  Posted: 12:34 PM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My husband has no bottom. Many addicts don't.

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Default  Posted: 12:53 PM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I agree some WWs have no bottom.

XH has lost many friends, his reputation, his wife, pretty much everything.

He has gained 50k in debt, and a reputation as a liar & a cheater. He prolly does more drugs than before. It still hasn't been the impetus for him to pull his shit together. I really don't know what could possibly happen that would be rock bottom for him.

Me: fBW/MH 40s
3.26.13: Liberation day: D'd the whiny turd after being saddled with a serial cheating, NPD, jitbag 10 years too long
Now: happy in life, happily in love with the RIGHT man -----> Everything is as it should be

Posts: 940 | Registered: Oct 2011 | From: The Hostile City
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Default  Posted: 4:35 PM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I feel bad saying it, but I really hope mine does hit rock bottom. And I hope it happens soon.

It would be the realization of the mess he made not only of his life, but mine and the kids. He would lose his job. Have no money. No OW. No friends. The kids wouldn't want to spend any time with him. He would be humiliated and hurting. He would then have remorse and empathy and not just be thinking about himself.

Then, I might have some compassion for him as the father of my children and fellow human. But, not really until then....

Me BW- 40ish, awesome
Cheating scusband 40ish
2 kids, elementary school age
Bomb dropped Aug 4 out of nowhere...

Posts: 446 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: Hell
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Default  Posted: 7:51 PM, October 21st (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

XPerv`s denial is so strong that he just blames anything like rock bottom on other people. He`s already lived a version of it and what I don't understand are the things he gave up. not me, but material things or reputation type things he sacrificed for his double life and Fatty B. His own family went down in the sham but protect their own so those who are in rock bottom mode are bailed out instead of having to suffer. It makes a sense of unreality when you`re always bailed out that you aren`t even aware of, until the bailers get fed up.

I see this with the IL`S where problems are ignored until they`re traumas or legal trouble, they get bailed out and do it again. Some shake their head and wonder why they keep doing the destructive/addictive behavior.

Denial is a deep and long river. Its also lonesome.

Ashland 13

A person is a person, no matter how small. -Dr. Suess

Perserverance and spirit have done wonders in all ages.

-George Washington

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