Topic: Is cheating abuse?
Member # 40277
| Posted: 9:30 PM, November 3rd (Sunday), 2013|
Not sure if this is the right spot. Last night my H watched a episode of Ilyanla Fix My Life. The episode dealt with a pastor who had cheated on his wife over 20x and had a child with one of his OW. She gave the woman a card in which she defined abuse. My H was furious as lieing, hurtful words and other examples that many BS deal with from the fallout of an affair were on the card. He refused to go to church and was a all around jerk. I thought this was just his own guilt and really had nothing to do with me, but then I thought maybe this is something more. Is cheating a form of abuse or does it depend on the circumstances?
Kids 13 and 6
Tired of lies!
Posts: 128 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: Chicago
Member # 32943
| Posted: 10:02 PM, November 3rd (Sunday), 2013|
I would define it as abusive behavior, yes.
Me: BS, 40's.
Posts: 1953 | Registered: Jul 2011 | From: West Coast
Member # 34678
| Posted: 10:04 PM, November 3rd (Sunday), 2013|
Yep, emotional abuse is domestic violence ,,,and I didn't know this until I called my local Domestic Violence center for help for my children and I.
Sometimes He calms the storm. Sometimes He lets the storm rage, but calms His child.
I gave a 24hour ultimatum then went to attorney next day. Shocked the hell out of him, with D papers, I'm proud to say!
Posts: 3567 | Registered: Jan 2012
Member # 30221
| Posted: 10:27 PM, November 3rd (Sunday), 2013|
But otherwise, yes.
"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A bird will fall frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself." D. H. Lawrence
Her: WW/57 Me: BS/63 24yrs M
3 great kids, now 22, 20, 17 b,b,g
D-Day 8/14/08, D 1/13/11
Posts: 1164 | Registered: Nov 2010 | From: East Coast
Member # 38647
| Posted: 10:32 PM, November 3rd (Sunday), 2013|
Married 10 years, 2 great kids
Posts: 65 | Registered: Mar 2013 | From: Florida
Member # 40531
| Posted: 10:49 PM, November 3rd (Sunday), 2013|
The answer is yes.
I define me! I don't just survive, I thrive!!
Me: fBH 46
Her: exWW 42
DDay: Nov 1, 2012
Divorced: September 17, 2013
Posts: 289 | Registered: Sep 2013 | From: Ohio
Member # 39073
| Posted: 1:31 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
It felt like abuse to me while it was happening, before I knew what it was. WH was cold as ice, impossible to work with (and we had three out of control teens/young adults living in our house), I felt that I was the one he wanted out while the kids were using drugs, drinking and having sex in our house. He pushed me emotionally to the brink several times and I felt like ending my life. There was a lot going on in our home and I was barely making it through. To find out later that he was feeling like a teenage boy sharing songs and poems with his highschool girlfriend really hurt. I thought he was my best friend and he turned out to be the worst kind of enemy possible. Someone who knew how much I was going through yet used it to his advantage because i wasn't strong enough to see what he was doing. I have a lot of forgiving to do.
The hardest part is that he says I was abusive because I called him a jerk and an immature little boy as well as ranted at him. I know this was not the proper way to deal with feeling like he had cut me out of his life and was "playing" while I tried to hold our kids accountable. Hearing him point his finger at me and say I "devastated" him with my words makes it harder for me to move forward. It seems like he has no idea of how much pain he was causing me throughout the affair, not just once it came out. He insists to this day that he was there for me through the kids stuff and sibling deaths. How could he be? He was totally wrapped up in the emotional affair fog and I didn't know what it was but I sure could feel it.
Me - BS (53) Him-WS(58)
Her OW(55) HighSchoolGirlfriend
Together 30 years Married 28 Kids 24,21,18
D day Feb 26 2013 after 20 months
D day March 4 they met again "to say goodbye"
D day April 2 found out about secret email
Posts: 188 | Registered: Apr 2013
Member # 34689
| Posted: 1:51 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
Emotionally at the very least, and if your WS exposes you to another through unprotected sex, it is physical abuse.
BH - Me - Late 30's (now late 40's)
WW - Her - Late 30's (now late 40's)
Her - Love of my life...still is.
Reconciled - Partly...she can't get over it.
Her - Thunderstruck by what she did.
Posts: 1149 | Registered: Jan 2012 | From: USA
Member # 16953
| Posted: 1:55 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
In my opinion Infidelity is the most severe form of emotional abuse one individual can inflict on another. And I would like to add that an unremorseful WS is nothing more than a Emotional Terrorist. That's my .02 cents anyway !!!!
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Posts: 6851 | Registered: Nov 2007
Member # 39667
| Posted: 2:17 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
In the eyes of a court of law? Not in most jurisdictions.
In the eyes of your friends and family? Yes. In most sane people? Yes.
BS - mid-40's
SAWH - mid 40's
Kids - 2 elementary school aged
Getting tons of therapy and trying to "work it out"
Posts: 932 | Registered: Jun 2013
Member # 28997
| Posted: 2:25 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
While I agree that cheating is a form of abuse in itself, I also believe that cheaters engage in other forms of abuse as well which are a direct consequence of the wayward behaviour.
Because they are cheating, they have to somehow justify their behaviour (consciously or subconsciously) to themselves. So in order to believe in their own minds that their BS deserves to be cheated on, they manufacture or exaggerate deficiencies in their BSs which they punish (as we of course deserve to be punished).
So some BSs suffer emotional, psychological or perhaps even sexual and physical abuse while their WSs are engaged in the As.
In my case my FWH was actually a cruel and abusive bully during the affair years.
I could never understand why he was so nice to everyone else and so mean to me.
Since dday and a swift kick from my bitch boots he is a changed person.
Married 33yrs Me BW 59Yrs Him FWH 62yrs
OWzero 1988 EA?/PA? Gaslighted.
Dday May 28 2010.
OW1 1994(6mths PA, EA 16+ years).
OW2 2002(8yrs PA).
OW3 2009(1Yr PA).
Others???? Status: Not Divorcing..but.."You can't unfuck the goat"
Posts: 2772 | Registered: Jul 2010 | From: Australia
Member # 30853
| Posted: 4:27 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
From what I know, abuse is about power. The abuser maintains all power and control and is able to use that to manipulate the victim.
Affairs are secrets. The one who keeps the secrets keeps the control. Once we get the inkling that something is wrong, we get lies and gas lighting. We are made to think we are crazy and cruel for even thinking they could cheat. They don't call it mind fuckery for nothing.
With an unremorseful wayward, like mine, it gets even worse. Once the A is exposed, the victim is vilified. I believe he said whatever mean things came to mind in the moment just to shut me up. Worse than that, i was ignored. That is the thing that got me the most. I would be curled up in the fetal position crying and hyperventilating. He looked right through me. He would literally step over me as though I didn't and never mattered. It was the height of cruelty. In fact, he never really spoke to me about what was really going on, when it started, etc. He ate cake like a pro and I was essentially forced to end a fifteen year M without having one honest conversation about why.
It's such a trauma - one that I don't think I will ever truly get over. The one person who was supposed to be the safest person in the world to me, turned out to be the biggest enemy.
It's abusive. No question about it.
BW - me
ExWH - "that one"
D - 2011
You get what you put in, and people get what they deserve.
Hard as it may be, try to never give the OP any of your power or head space.
Posts: 3701 | Registered: Jan 2011
Member # 39439
| Posted: 4:36 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
And remember Murphy is right. Nothing is so bad that it can't get worse!!!
Posts: 1843 | Registered: Jun 2013 | From: Ontario, Canada
Member # 41038
| Posted: 5:50 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
The lying, the gaslighting, the withholding of affection, the criticism, the withdrawal...
Yes, without question it is abuse. This list, of course, doesn't include the yelling or namecalling that some do, and then the probable TT that follows.
Very, very abusive.
DDay - 12/2010
Fully R'd - I love my husband
Posts: 2246 | Registered: Oct 2013 | From: East Coast
Member # 38391
| Posted: 6:33 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
Yep. Trying to make someone think they're crazy is abuse.
Exposing someone to disease is abuse.
Just to name two.
5 month PA
Married 20 years, 3 kids
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- Scott Alexander
It was the day I thought I'd never get through - Daughtry
Posts: 1161 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: FL
Member # 21964
| Posted: 6:42 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
WS is nothing more than a Emotional Terrorist.
I call them & other emotional dramatists "emotional vampires" because they suck the life right out of you!
Posts: 3446 | Registered: Dec 2008 | From: Mexico
Member # 40277
| Posted: 7:13 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
I think everything you said explains why he was so angry. I watched the episode again and think it held up a mirror for him to see himself through. He did not like what saw. I think it may have been so powerful because it came through a stranger.
I have felt like he just didn't care. Laura28 my H was also nice to everyone else and cruel to me. I just thought he wanted out of our marriage. Many days I wish he had just left. That would have been much less cruel than what he has done to our family.
Kids 13 and 6
Tired of lies!
Posts: 128 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: Chicago
Member # 40798
| Posted: 8:58 AM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
The cheating in its own way is abusive. The real emotional abuse starts after D Day when theTT, the gas lighting, the denial of it being "cheating" to have on line affairs and chats. That is the real "crazy making " behaviour. The cruelest part I find is that every time we revisit he remembers more information. The trickle truths that keep chipping away at our relationship like termites.
Together 3 1/2 years
D day May 13th 2013
Posts: 480 | Registered: Sep 2013
Member # 40032
| Posted: 2:26 PM, November 4th (Monday), 2013|
Yes emotional abuse for sure. If a PA then both emotional and physical abuse if WS continues to have sex with BS during and after A if WS keeps secret due to STD and communicable disease exposure.
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M over 30 yrs; R for 4 yrs
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