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User Topic: Processing Past Information
libertyrocks
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Default  Posted: 10:57 AM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tomorrow marks a year the day I started finding out about my H's infidelity escapades. He's remorseful, NC with OW since a year ago, doing everything right and even joined his addiction program. Finally. I've been learning to live in the moment and not the past. I'm also choosing not to live in a "hurt" state of mind.

But, my Q is how did you all process all the lies? For those who suffered long periods of cheating. I've been trying to process 3 lost years of my life. All those lies and all my suspicions were real. I think back at all those moments I felt something was wrong and I was right. My heart was...


Me-BW 36. STBXH-35,Recovering Alcoholic, M6yrs T13. Boys 2 & 4 1/2.
DDay #1 Nov,2012. 1 1/2 year false R & TT. 10 OW PA's 1LTA (W lied to) 3 years.
S Nov, 2013 again Jan,2014
Filed for D Feb,2014.

Posts: 962 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: So Cal, baby. :)
musiclovingmom
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Default  Posted: 11:43 AM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am 15 months from dday. I'm still trying to do this. Just the other night we were talking about my daughter having appendicitis. I remember feeling like we were closer then than we had been in months. Now, I know that he had slept with OW1 2 weeks before. He asked me to marry him while he was heavily involved with OW2. He paid for OW5's expenses to travel 16 hours to visit him at work causing us to have to scrounge for the money to pay the balance on our wedding venue. None of those things will ever make any sense to me. I just keep asking questions. Looking for that magic piece that will make all the others fit together.

Posts: 1139 | Registered: Jan 2013
plainpain
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Default  Posted: 11:58 AM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I understand this so well. Just the other day I was writing something here on SI. I was commenting how (when H was still in the fog) my H said that whenever he bought OW flowers, he always bought me flowers, too, and that he always spent the same amount of money on us. So, I wasn't supposed to think he had cheated me out of anything I was entitled to, I guess. Him buying her flowers didn't take anything away from me... I still got flowers. Anyway, it dawned on me as I was writing that, that he bought me orchid plants three times last year. Which is fine, but really, more than once? And I went on and on about how beautiful they were... but now I realize that probably orchids are her favourite flowers, and that's why I got orchids.

All those little 'dawnings' just hurt so bad, and remind me what a sham and a lie my marriage was. I can go back to the beginning of our marriage now, and pull out lie after lie after lie, even though he was not cheating then. It all feels like a lie, and he became a chronic liar.

The way I have processed it is to declare that marriage dead. Annulled. It was never real. I was not married to the man I thought I was married to, at all. We renewed our vows and started with a clean slate, so to speak - not rug sweeping, still dealing, but there is a line in the sand now, and I can say, 'Everything before this line is contaminated'. I don't have to filter it out - it's all just stained and polluted and ruined. I had to grieve that, but then I could let it all go as one big lump. The hurt of the little lies isn't as sharp, because I'm not feeling it as a shock and a surprise - I just assume everything was a lie and a deception. I alone decide which of those memories are worth salvaging from the wreckage.

That's just me, how I have been able to survive and process it.


Me: Believer; 40s
Him: Liar; 40s
Married 19 years
1 year EA/2 month PA/incidental infidelities I can't begin to process
OC born 2014
OW:21
In successful R, but still in just plain pain.

Posts: 809 | Registered: Jul 2013
plainpain
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Default  Posted: 11:59 AM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

.. also, one thing my H did very early on - almost immediately, actually - is that he said to me, 'All those times I let you think you were crazy? You weren't crazy. I was lying to you. I am so sorry'. Hearing him say those words, acknowledge that I had been right, validating all those feelings that I had had all those years - it was very helpful.


Me: Believer; 40s
Him: Liar; 40s
Married 19 years
1 year EA/2 month PA/incidental infidelities I can't begin to process
OC born 2014
OW:21
In successful R, but still in just plain pain.

Posts: 809 | Registered: Jul 2013
Bikingguy
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Default  Posted: 12:09 PM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It's like getting a whole new narrative on life. For me that period was 15 years

Was talking with another BS friend of mine and one of the worst parts of this shit sandwich is our new perspective on so many things I will say however that as hurt BS's we probably overwrite and overestimate much of it. I know there might not be more to a past event, but it does not stop me from going there. Like everything is warped.

As an engineer with a huge need to understand things and understand them logically - there is almost nothing logical about WW A's. I have been physically tired from over thinking many things.

One of my "theories" is that when WS were with us and the kids that is was real. That they might now have constantly thought about OM/OW. That they have an incredible "gift" for separating the real world from the fantasy world. Something that I know I could never do - or at least do successfully. LOL, then I think, is this really what I think or what I want to think.

Sorry long reply with little or no help. Hopefully just enough to say I understand


Me: BH, 44
Her: WW, 43
D day. January 12, 2013

Posts: 676 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Socal
ladies_first
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Default  Posted: 2:01 PM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Great Betrayals
By ANNA FELS
AS a psychiatrist I find that friends frequently seek me out to discuss problematic events in their lives; it comes with the territory and I’m usually happy to do it. But I was surprised and shaken to hear from an old friend that her husband of nearly 25 years had long been accruing and hiding from her a huge credit card debt (in the six figures). Even after divulging his secret, the husband had lied about the amount, with the sum increasing every time it was discussed. And right from the start, he refused to document where the money was spent. He left it for his wife to ruminate on, trying to puzzle it out. The disclosure wreaked financial and emotional havoc on their family.
After my initial shock at this unsuspected betrayal, I began to recall patients I had seen whose situations were not that dissimilar. They were people who had suddenly discovered that their life, as they knew it, was based on a long-term falsehood. They were people who might have stumbled across family secrets on the Internet or found old bills from a spouse’s long-hidden liaisons.
This predicament, a sudden revelation of new, pivotal information about one’s life, is the subject of many memoirs: Bliss Broyard, in “One Drop: My Father’s Hidden Life — A Story of Race and Family Secrets,” discovers shortly before her father’s death that his family of origin was black and that he had “passed” for white. Katha Pollitt, in “Learning to Drive,” writes about discovering the infidelity of her long-term partner. Geoffrey Wolff, in “The Duke of Deception,” unearths evidence that his father had lied about virtually every aspect of his past: his religion, education, career and military record.
But what if you’re not a writer and don’t have the option of metabolizing this kind of toxic experience through the process of writing? Most of us can’t seize control of the narrative by publishing our side of the story or get the sweet revenge of going public with the other’s misdeeds.
Discoveries of such secrets typically bring on tumultuous crises. Ironically, however, in my clinical experience, it is often the person who lied or cheated who has the easier time. People who transgressed might feel self-loathing, regret or shame. But they have the possibility of change going forward, and their sense of their own narrative, problematic though it may be, is intact. They knew all along what they were doing and made their own decisions. They may have made bad choices, but at least those were their own and under their control. Now they can make new, better choices.
And to an astonishing extent, the social blowback for such miscreants is often transient and relatively minor. They can change! Our culture, in fact, wholeheartedly supports such “new beginnings” — even celebrates them. It has a soft spot for the prodigal sons and daughters who set about repairing their ways, for tales of people starting over: reformed addicts, unfaithful spouses who rededicate themselves to family, convicted felons who find redemption in religion. Talk shows thrive on these tales. Perhaps it’s part of our powerful national belief in self-help and self-creation. It’s never too late to start anew.
But for the people who have been lied to, something more pervasive and disturbing occurs. They castigate themselves about why they didn’t suspect what was going on. The emotions they feel, while seemingly more benign than those of the perpetrator, may in the long run be more corrosive: humiliation, embarrassment, a sense of having been naïve or blind, alienation from those who knew the truth all along and, worst of all, bitterness.
Insidiously, the new information disrupts their sense of their own past, undermining the veracity of their personal history. Like a computer file corrupted by a virus, their life narrative has been invaded. Memories are now suspect: what was really going on that day? Why did the spouse suddenly buy a second phone “for work” several years ago? Did a friend know the truth even as they vacationed together? Compulsively going over past events in light of their recently acquired (and unwelcome) knowledge, such patients struggle to integrate the new version of reality. For many people, this discrediting of their experience is hard to accept. It’s as if they are constantly reviewing their past lives on a dual screen: the life they experienced on one side and the new “true” version on the other. But putting a story together about this kind of disjunctive past can be arduous.
Understandably, some feel cynical if not downright paranoid. How can they know what is real going forward? How can they integrate these new “facts” about family, origin, religion, race or fidelity? Do they have to be suspicious if they form a new relationship? As my friend said in despair, “I’m just not a snoop; it’s not in my genes.”
And the social response to people who have suffered such life-transforming disclosures, well meaning as it is intended to be, is often less than supportive. Our culture may embrace the redeemed sinner, but the person victimized — not so much. Lack of control over their destiny makes people queasy. Friends often unconsciously blame the victim, asking whether the betrayed person really “knew at some level” what was going on and had just been “in denial” about it. But the betrayed are usually as savvy as the rest of us. When one woman I know asked her husband, a closet alcoholic who drank secretly late at night, how he could have hidden his addiction for so long, he replied, “It took a lot of work.”
FREQUENTLY, a year or even less after the discovery of a longstanding lie, the victims are counseled to move on, to put it all behind them and stay focused on the future. But it’s not so easy to move on when there’s no solid narrative ground to stand on. Perhaps this is why many patients conclude in their therapy that it’s not the actions or betrayal that they most resent, it’s the lies.
In this situation, therapy can be one path to reclaiming your past. Creating a coherent narrative of one’s life has long been seen as a central goal of psychotherapy. It provides the internal structure that helps us predict and regulate future actions and feelings. It creates a stable sense of self. But if, to quote Louis Cozolino, a psychologist who writes on the neuroscience of therapy, “memory is a form of internal enactment of whatever is being recalled,” how do we retroactively create a life story out of events that were never experienced? There is a disturbing bifurcation: memory no longer corresponds to objective fact.
As a psychiatrist, I can tell you that it’s often a painstaking process to reconstruct a coherent personal history piece by piece — one that acknowledges the deception while reaffirming the actual life experience. Yet it’s work that needs to be done. Moving forward in life is hard or even, at times, impossible, without owning a narrative of one’s past. Isak Dinesen has been quoted as saying “all sorrows can be borne if you put them in a story or tell a story about them.” Perhaps robbing someone of his or her story is the greatest betrayal of all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/great-betrayals.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." ~J. Campbell
"In the final analysis, it is your own attitude that will make or break you, not what has happened to you." ~D. Galloway

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DWBH
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Default  Posted: 2:53 PM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ladies_first... that's a great read. It really validates all the "reconstructing" I've done over the past several years. It's so hard being criticized for "rehashing" the past. I have some definite OCD tendencies, so people that know me just quickly chalk it off to that.

Thanks for sharing the link!


Me: BH, 43
Her: FWW, 42 (ThornyRose)
M: 17 years, together 20
2 Daughters: 15 and 13
D Day: 9/25/2011; Lies & TT to 5/4/2012
~Double betrayal; caught them in the act~

Posts: 729 | Registered: May 2012 | From: WI
eachdayisvictory
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Default  Posted: 3:14 PM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you for this thread. I have just written a list of questions for my H that I have sat with for months. I wanted to see if time would alleviate my 'need to know' certain things, but no, it has not.

I read them to him and we set a timeline of 2 weeks for him to answer. Those 'dawnings'. God they're hard. H sent me a sexy pic of himself last week. We had never done that before. Wish I could have enjoyed it instead of wondering if that's what they did. (I added that to my list of questions too).

At end of my questions, I copied the article posted here. What a great description of the trauma a BS goes through. I really don't know if a WS can ever really understand what the loss of one's self feels like.


me, BW: 34
FWH: 35
Dday: Feb 2013
LTA for 2+years
children: 2 boys age 3 and 6
Reconciling

Posts: 393 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: nova Scotia, Canada
lostcovenants
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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ladies first - - I can't thank you enough for that. We have MC today and it's also my birthday. D day was my husbands birthday so hard all around .

These word are validation! I do need to reconstruct the missing four years my husband and his MOW stole from me.

Off to pretend to have a happy birthday. . .


Haha! The jokes on me, another DDay November 20, 2014! A date that will live in infamy, along with July 8,2013, oh yea and 36.5 years ago right after we got married. Hat trick!! WH is tremblingaspen. Life sucks.

Posts: 177 | Registered: Sep 2013 | From: USA
lostcovenants
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Default  Posted: 3:16 PM, November 13th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ladies first - - I can't thank you enough for that. We have MC today and it's also my birthday. D day was my husbands birthday so hard all around .

These word are validation! I do need to reconstruct the missing four years my husband and his MOW stole from me.

Off to pretend to have a happy birthday. . .


Haha! The jokes on me, another DDay November 20, 2014! A date that will live in infamy, along with July 8,2013, oh yea and 36.5 years ago right after we got married. Hat trick!! WH is tremblingaspen. Life sucks.

Posts: 177 | Registered: Sep 2013 | From: USA
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