Sometimes I wonder if I am too extreme. Let me start by saying it took me a LONG, LONG time for me to go NC. I shudder at how many letters I wrote to him, practically begging him to show remorse. (vomit) or how many times I texted him or expressed anger, etc. I finally reached a point where I came to accept that there was no use trying to appeal to his human side because he simply doesn't have one.
So I've gone to the other extreme. I ignore pretty much everything he says to me, which, trust me, isn't much. Happy Mothers day? = crickets. Thank you = crickets. Do you still have DS2 train set? = crickets. Can you let me know when DS has a meeting at school? = crickets. I don't text him pictures of the kids. I don't ask him to switch visitation days. (I'll just simply change or cancel plans) I don't share stories about the kids. I don't share anything with him, at all, that I don't legally have to and I don't ask him for anything. Nothing. nada. I try to pretend, in my own mind, that he doesn't exist as much as possible. It has helped me detach to a degree.
But, omg, I feel like such a bitch! Yes, he deserves it and no, I don't give a crap about his feelings in this. I sometimes just feel that I am compromising myself and who I am in this because this is just not me. This is not my personality. And I struggle with it sometimes. But on the other hand, I don't know any other way to be with him. I wore my heart on my sleeve for so long with him and he took advantage of it and was horribly emotionally abusive to me.
IDK... just rambling here I guess. Just wondering if I take things too far. What does NC mean to you?
Double Betrayal D-Day 7/26/2013
Two steps forward and one step backwards, is still progress.
Honestly, it kept him fixed in my head. I hate having that fucker in my head. A couple of months ago, I pretty much switched to parallel parenting mode (doing pretty much what you are doing) and my life is better. I still feel compelled to help him figure shit out...I can't help that urge...it's part of my personality. But I sure don't act on it anymore with him.
He's not worth that effort. There are so many other people in my life that deserve my helpfulness...that *appreciate* my helpfulness. If this man can't be bothered to do shit for his son (read the parenting time guidelines and excercise his full visitation, call his son, get involved in his school, hell, just be involved in his child's life) why the hell would I waste my time and contact on such a fool?
My definition of NC is give the idiot the information he needs to know IF it can come from no other source but me or he has no way to access that knowledge. (Example, Teslet makes a trip to the ER...I let him know because there is no other way he would be able to have access to that information). Let him know when the christmas program is at Teslet's school? Nope, sorry, he has access to the information...he can damn well find it himself.
I always try to imagine what complete healing would look like. Would I be above it all or would I be a bitch. I'm neither. I'm just me. I like feeling inner peace and happiness. So when I interact with him now I'm just happy that I don't need or want anything from him anymore. I"m free.
xWH always has a double standard and changes the rules to suit his mood. I don't even try to play the game. I ignore it all.
I stay happy and stress free with this level of NC
Now I have been total no contact as you, and I love it ! No it is not me either but it has helped me greatly to detach. It does hurt my kids at times and my wallet but they do not get deprived they just get double of everything. If I never talk to her again the rest of my life that will be too soon. I plan on going the rest of my life like this she does not deserve my head space or words or thoughts or the air I breathe. That is a fact.
This! I struggled with feeling like I was being rude, and use to respond, but then NPDx would weasel his way back in to use what I did or said against me somehow.
Once I learned to not hit my head into that brick wall I felt a lot better.
I don't feel bad at all.
It drives him nuts that I won't talk to him. Of course it is all my fault. But my give a dam is broken,
My definition of NC is give the idiot the information he needs to know IF it can come from no other source but me or he has no way to access that knowledge.
THIS. 1,000% this. NC for me also extends to no info about him, no gossip, nothing. He is invisible to me and I try to make myself invisible to him.
It feels so un-natural to me. :(
Of course, we didn't have children and our finances were already separate.
This did mean that I lost a fair number of things in the S/D because I chose not to ask for them. But I judged that was a small price to pay.
I did call him on our wedding anniversary about 4 mos after we S. I had 180-ed him pretty hard from the get-go and I wanted to communicate that having cut him (and his family) from social media, having blocked his phone, etc and my ongoing NC wasn't vindictive, but protective in nature. I'm not sure why I felt like this was necessary. In any event, he let me go to voicemail. I found out later he had run off somewhere with MCOW that weekend. Figures.
So I learned my lesson the one time I "broke" it. And, frankly, I think I showed I was a human, so no big deal. Even my IC said he was glad I did it because, otherwise, I was showing an inhuman ability to NC.
I do find that when I "discover" things about him since, it is damaging. Some of his mail still comes here and I discovered via a magazine renewal request that he moved out of our place last summer. That means he either kept or tossed my remaining things-- or gave them to her. That sucked. I also have a friend who was his coworker for the months after DDay. Saw her for the first time since last Friday. Dinner was fun, but once she started telling me about how his life kind of fell apart after I left, I felt shitty. He may be facing a bit of karma, but I don't find any joy in that. What good is karma is he doesn't know or won't admit his life is crappy without me!
So I'm very glad that I've taken the hard NC route. I don't think I could handle constant TT or intermittent contact. Break as much as possible to heal.
[This message edited by PhantomLimb at 8:00 PM, December 17th (Tuesday)]
What it is: because we have kids, I do have to do a certain amount of emailing with him about medical expenses, reminders to return things, visitation dates on occasion, etc. I also text him when he has the kids and I'm picking them up so that he has them ready.
However, I do not email him pictures of the kids or tell him anything personal about them anymore. If they wish to share something nice that happened at school or talk about something fun they did with him, that's up to them to do it. If the kids ask me questions about the divorce, I no longer let him know. Again, if they wish to discuss it with him, then that is their choice. I also don't chat with him anymore at pick up/drop off or basically acknowledge him if I don't have to. I engage with the kids and pretend that he isn't there. I can't believe that we used to sit together at school concerts, and I'd email him if they were upset about the divorce so he'd be in the know.
Once CommandOwife started leading him around by the nose (and by other body parts, for sure), that all ended, so we are now as NC as is humanly possible. While I will never forget what he did and pretend that it was okay, I was willing to be more civil with him than we currently are (and than he deserved). However, it's probably best this way because it has helped me move forward. I think that staying too chummy would have messed with my head, and maybe I would have been willing to give him a second chance. The person I have become wants nothing to do with that, so I think that this state of detente has been beneficial to me.
We have two kids, so I have to do some communicating, but it is always tense and prone to fights. When I didn't help him out with finding a babysitter on his night that he couldn't take, he got so mad at me and sent me a long email saying "I'm hurting the kids" and "I'm a shitty mom". I'm done cleaning up his messes and making sure he knows how to wipe his butt. It may cause more tension up front, but I'm hoping that long term it will be better for all of us.
Good luck with your decision!
To me NC is different. It's just communication about the kids and other common business in a pleasant but disinterested way. I might send the Snake pics of DS and answer questions about DS but then crickets on anything personal about me.
I can't imagine not answering a question about DS. Like how else would your ex know if you have the train set?
I am either too new to this, too dumb, or too soft
When I didn't help him out with finding a babysitter on his night that he couldn't take, he got so mad at me and sent me a long email saying "I'm hurting the kids" and "I'm a shitty mom".
I got angry just reading this. What a selfish prick. Can't take care of himself, so he attacks you.
I've read suggestions about communicating through a 3rd party that can filter out emotional content like this. I'm keeping that option in my back pocket in case my WS ever can't keep it to strictly business.