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User Topic: Okay, I really need to know what this means!?
♀ 39117
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Default  Posted: 11:20 AM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I decided to type out all of the important things that happened in the A, including things like dates, places, sexual encounters, when it started, how it started, plus several things I don't believe that he stated are true. These are things such as you did not give her an engagement ring, you did not propose to her in person, only several times by text, etc. I told him I was doing it, and that I wanted him to sign in and attest to it being true. I even included that he had to swear on his mother's grave that it was all true. He read it over, looked at me and asked "Are you sending this to her?"(OW) Then he signed it and asked "Are you divorcing me?" This after spending the last year trying to R. But the first thing he asks is am I sending it to her? What the hell? That's the only thing he's concerned about before he signs it? So of course I asked him why that would be his only question, to which he says "Well, the last thing I need is you sending this to her, and then she sends lies back to you!" It has been a year, of which he says there has been zero contact, why in the hell would she care about what this says now if has been over that long? Plus I have sent her countless FB messages asking for the truth of these things, and she has never replied. And I never had any intention of sending it to her, it was just to feel more trusting, if he signed it. Now I'm wondering if I should send it to her? Opinions please!

Posts: 186 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Canada
♀ 41222
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Default  Posted: 11:28 AM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Personally I think he has a point, in that if you send it to her you may get lies back. It seems a valid concern to me.

It also seems as though he didn't get angry or defensive, he signed it. Do his other actions back up his commitment to R? If so, I wouldn't send it her.

DD#1 - Oct 13

"Everyone says forgiveness is a lovely idea, until they have something to forgive" - CS Lewis

Posts: 802 | Registered: Nov 2013
♀ 34755
Member # 34755
Default  Posted: 11:53 AM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

1. Why are *you* doing his timeline and not him?

2. Why have you continued to contact her and send countless messages?? NC is for both of you!!

3. He may have asked that continue to contact her and want something from her!!! His question is based on your actions!

What exactly is the point of this document?

BS - Me
DDay 1 - Jul 11
DDay 2 - Jul 12
R Dec 12

Former 80s Icon wishful thinking

Posts: 2031 | Registered: Feb 2012
♀ 39803
Member # 39803
Default  Posted: 11:58 AM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why on earth would you care what OW thinks about it?

me - BS (45) - DDay - June 2013
A was 2+ months, EA/PA
In MC & Reconciling
"Getting over a painful experience is much like crossing monkey bars. You have to let go at some point to move forward." -- C.S. Lewis.

Posts: 3521 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: USA
♀ 40332
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Default  Posted: 12:10 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I read a woman's blog the other day:

She spent a lot of time and energy chasing the OW, trying to get information out of her, as she puts it "hopping on the crazy train". If you read the blog from beginning to end, it's pretty revealing about how far down the rabbit hole one can go and how incredibly destructive it can be - destructive to the BS.

I know it's hard not to obsess over the OW and uncovering the truth. You may want to ask yourself how much emotional energy you want to spend on the OW and can that emotional energy be better spent on healing yourself.

Sending the letter to the OW may not answer your questions. Your WH may be right - she may tell you otherwise, it may be the truth, it may be lies. You won't know. He could be worried about being caught in something, he may be worried about you, whether this will help and wanting to help you (and him) heal.

The problem with infidelity is that it makes us question EVERYTHING. I'm no expert. But I've been told that at some point you have to let some things go - a first step may be stop contacting the OW. Let her go. She's not worth your time.

Me: BS
Him: WH
Dday: Jan 4, 2013

Posts: 52 | Registered: Aug 2013
♂ 38814
Member # 38814
Default  Posted: 12:19 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I feel as you do and I tell myself to give it up.

The very best thing we BS can do is not allow the OW/OM to continue having power over our lives. They need to be treated as people who don't matter at all.

Intellectually, we all know the OW/OM was chosen because they were there and they were broken enough to go along with the A.

The problem is with our spouses. That's where our focus needs to be. NC is so, so important for that reason.

Yes, OM/OW chose to hurt us in a most personal way. But they were invited to do so by our spouses.

OM in my case is a cowardly rat. My WW and I are getting help. He's not. He's just going to F his life some other way. I'm content with that.

Stay strong and please try to keep the focus on your partner.

Me: BH
Her: WW
Together since 2001. Married since 2007. Found out about her affairs in 2013. Now separated, waiting for divorce paperwork and in a wonderful new relationship. Life is good again.

Posts: 512 | Registered: Mar 2013 | From: Canada
♀ 39117
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Default  Posted: 12:26 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I don't care what the OW thinks, and have not contacted her in months now. This document was for my benefit only, but I also knew that if there were any untruths in it, and he's signing it and swearing on his Mother's grave, he might be very concerned about her seeing it. I made sure to include in the document that they had there first sexual contact in the fall of 2011, 4 months before she says they did, as she was with her husband until the following January. I also stated that she started the A, which he has maintained. But truthfully, I had no intention of showing her. I was worried that he'd ask if I was showing her, and I had a strong feeling he would. I was shocked when he asked me before he signed it.

Posts: 186 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Canada
♀ 34755
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Default  Posted: 12:34 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Again, what is the purpose of the document?

Why did you write it and not him?

What does swearing on his mother's grave do? He's a liar and a cheater, do you think that means he will be truthful because of that?

BS - Me
DDay 1 - Jul 11
DDay 2 - Jul 12
R Dec 12

Former 80s Icon wishful thinking

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♀ 39117
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Default  Posted: 1:35 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The document was to make me believe him a little more, he has repeatedly said he hasn't seen her or talked to her or lied to me in a year. I wanted him to put it on paper, and if he's telling the truth, he wouldn't mind swearing on his mothers grave. I do realize he could still be telling me lies, but am hopeful at this point that he's not....or at least I was until he asked that, and so quickly. He could have waited until he signed it, but no, it was as soon as he finished reading it.

Posts: 186 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Canada
♀ 21183
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Default  Posted: 4:06 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


If the first question out-of-my-husband's mouth was: "Are you going to show this to OW?"
---I'd assume/believe my husband was LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH about something in that letter you want him to sign.
---I'd also wonder: If all CONTACT between my husband and OW has really ended, or not?

As for your husband or any cheating spouse "swearing on their Mother's Grave"...Or the grave of their children or anyone else:
--Such a declaration of truth wouldn't mean one thing to me!

--Here on SI I've read where A Cheating Spouse has LIED, and sworn on the life of "Fathers, Mothers, Children" and the Cheating Spouse continued to LIE.

If you really want to know "what this means" 100%: I'd suggest you have your husband submit to a POLYGRAPH.
Ask him if he's willing to do this....then you might have your answer.
My feeling is: He will probably refuse your request to take a POLYGRAPH. Most of our lying spouses do refuse to take a polygraph.

That's my opinion, anyway.

I'd also suggest: That you END all contact with the OW. You will not find any valuable information from this woman.

[This message edited by Dare2Trust at 4:09 PM, December 18th (Wednesday)]

Me BS 59
WH 58
Married 19 years
D-Day Nov 3, 2005
Child: Adopted Daughter 21 College Student now

I can understand being alone; but I hate being with someone and feeling lonely.

Posts: 6216 | Registered: Oct 2008 | From: PA
♀ 19911
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Default  Posted: 10:19 PM, December 18th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm with Dare2Trust on this.

His questions before signing are odd to say the least, and I wouldn't give credence to him swearing on anyone or anything.

Put your same statements into a poly and make him take it.

Me: The faithful one
Him: WS
4 incredible, grown kids
Married 32 years, together 39
D-Day: April 1, 2006 (yep, April Fool's Day...)
Aaaaaas Yoooouuu Wiiiiiish...

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