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User Topic: Some self-reflection resulting from NC
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Default  Posted: 9:59 AM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So, I'm thinking some of this must be the result of the clarity that comes from distance/NC... I've been noticing and thinking a lot about myself lately. I don't necessarily like what I see. In fact, I am trying to pinpoint exactly when I turned into this person but guess the reason I can't get an "exact" time is probably because STBXPOS's manipulation/abuse is/was often so very subtle...

I am realizing just how much my core personality was affected over the years, maybe not my personality per se, but my behavior? The biggest example is my lack of assertiveness. I take way too much shit from way too many people. I seriously had not realized how this affected other areas of my life. I have learned to not confront and basically let people walk all over me. I was NEVER this kind of person. Even at work I'm now noticing how I take shit, let the resentment build, then get angry over something relatively minor and unrelated. I do not stick up for myself. I think I have become a "rugsweeper" in all areas of my life ... avoiding conflict but letting resentment build. Argh!!! Hopefully, these realizations are the first step in getting back to my true self. To the person I was BEFORE I met the POS. Because you know what?? I LIKED that gal, and I MISS her This wishy-washy, struggle to make decisions, take your crap gal? NOT SO MUCH

I have been dealing w/triggers(?) that have been popping out to me regarding the abuse. Subtle criticisms to outright insults from the POS - to which my responses varied over the years from tears to outrage. The outrage often occurred in public settings that made ME look like a bitch. (I now understand he designed it this way) He would tell me often "I'm just joking. You have no sense of humor."

One of the saddest things about some of these triggers, unfortunately, is that many are coming from my kids. An example would be my DD11 made a comment last night very matter-of-fact about me being a horrible driver. I had a flashback: 10-12 years ago I kind of all of a sudden noticed I was terrified to drive. It was strange but then it started popping in my head about how POS would criticize my driving constantly and I somehow had managed to internalize this "voice" so that I heard it even when he wasn't in the car!! I had to work really hard to get that voice OUT OF MY HEAD so I could drive my damn kids around w/out the anxiety but I managed to do it and then I dealt w/him when he was in the car by basically telling him to shut the eff up. (Obviously not in those exact words when kids were with) But still comments continued to be made over the years to which I'd simply give him a "look" and he'd shut up, the damage was still there though, just got a little quieter and more subtle. Got to the point where I couldn't stand to have him in the car or would just make him drive. Let's be clear here too - I am a good driver - he, on the other hand, has had so many accidents, tickets of every kind, DUI's, doesn't really understand a lot of the common sense rules of the road, has wrecked MANY vehicles and has even had lots of people comment that someday he is going to kill someone w/his stupid driving. Hmmm... project much??? He does a lot of "projecting" his issues on to me. I did appreciate one of my sons defending me last night by calmly and nicely pointing out to his sister that a. mom is NOT a horrible driver and b. you are 11 and what do you really know about driving?

There are lots more examples of abuse triggers lately but just thought I'd start here for now. It feels good to start getting some of this out and working on me for a change. It really brings me clarity and helps me realize that I can NEVER be around this guy again. I will heal myself and protect my children the best I can. I will be ME again.

Anyone relate to this shit out there????

Him-WS/STBX41 Last OW/Current GF22
M 17yrs Together 20
Cheated our whole relationship Multiple Ddays, Multiple OW, Multiple EAs and PAs
DS19, TwinDSs18, DD13

Posts: 328 | Registered: Oct 2008
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Default  Posted: 2:02 PM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yes I can relate unfortunately. He has turned me into a punk. I earned a MD and a PhD and work as an ER doctor yet it's sometimes hard for me to be assertive, especially in my personal life. I am wishy washy and let others decide. I always let the Snake drive cause he criticizes me despite my perfect driving record. I keep thinking I'm careless and a poor housekeeper cause that's what he tells me. I am focused on pleasing others, especially the Snake, even though I am divorcing him. I believe it is, at least in part, called codependency and it was always simmering there but has grown with the Snake stoking the fires. I am trying to read "codependent no more" so that I can recover my backbone.

I am so sorry to hear that your DD picked up some of your XPOS's verbal abuse. Hopefully with time she will be reprogrammed a bit and you will also be less susceptible to triggering.

Me (BS, 35); The Snake (WS, 36) 13yrs together; 1 baby boy (DOB 7/12)
Serial cheater-Multiple OWs, Multiple D-Days
D by default 5/3/14!
In house 8 mos, moved out 7/1!!!

Posts: 949 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: Northern California
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Default  Posted: 4:48 PM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I can relate -- not so much to the assertiveness -- but I see myself as becoming a much more cynical person. And I don't like that at all!!!

And I'm not nearly as friendly and outgoing as I used to be. I wall myself off now. I know it is a defense mechanism -- but I don't want to be close to ANYBODY! I'm sure that has something to do with the fact that it was my BFF that propositioned my husband for sex and he took her up on it for 3 years or more. Ya know -- with friends like that who needs enemies??? Not sure I want friends right now.

TRIGGERS -- from random stuff -- not quite as frequent as they were in the beginning -- but they still happen. Luckily, not too many with my kids -- but it does happen.

I'm not sure that I am of any help to you at all. But wanted you to know that you were heard.

Hugs ((((KJac)))

BS - me (53 now); WS - him (53 now)
DD 17yo, DS 13 yo
Married 25 years (together 27+/-)
DDay #1 - March 18, 2011
DD #2 (after 3 + month TT and false R -- the affair had gone underground) - June 28,2011
DD3: June 19, 2013
DIVORCED!!!! and doing well

Posts: 249 | Registered: Jun 2011 | From: Texas
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Default  Posted: 5:06 PM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The self reflection and growth for me has been profound. I completely lost sight of who I was and what I wanted in an ever unceasing effort to make her life comfortable and easy. The resentment built for years and when I started to stand up for myself she bailed. In these short months I've begun to rediscover myself and I really like the person I'm becoming. It's truly been a gift. The only one she's ever given me, in fact.

Divorced 7/11/14. New Beginning on the Gulf of Mexico. It's real nice.

Posts: 799 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: The beach.
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Default  Posted: 8:39 PM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I can relate , I did exactly the same. It was not until I was out and NC that I realized who I had become and it was not the me she fell in love with( supposed love because I do not think she ever was) I was a pleaser and the person she made me , a yes man which I am sure for a good woman that would have made me awesome but for her I was weak. I did tons of self reflecting and have since hit the gym , got my motorcycle , tattooed and became me again. Or as best I could. I let her destroy me until I woke up. So yes I can relate. All the best

"respect? you don't deserve it, you won't get any from me unless you earn it"

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Default  Posted: 2:38 AM, December 24th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I lost myself too KJac. I don't quite understand why I let it happen. Part of it was my FOO coping mechanism of becoming invisible during tumultuous times.

For the longest time I made my needs as small as possible so as to not poke the bear - but what ended up happening was the bear started thinking my needs were small.

It was so subtle I found it hard to call it abuse - he wasn't hitting me so could I really call that abuse? I now see it for what it was - emotional abuse. Like a frog boiled slowly it wasn't until I was away from him that I realised how hot it had become in that pot.

All of this is good stuff. I've rediscovered myself in this past year or so and I'm slowly peeling away layers of my onion. The 'me' in this mess. What led me to someone like him. Why I stayed. Where I went.

I may have reached a point where I'd piss on him if he was on fire.... eventually!!

Posts: 6003 | Registered: Apr 2012 | From: Australia
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Default  Posted: 5:59 AM, December 24th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I still find myself saying "well, he never hit me, he would never hit me" as if that somehow excuses all the other abuse. In IC I have been coming to terms w/how close he has come to that though...

Examples include many violent outbursts over the years such as:

*throwing a bottle of Baby Magic baby lotion (when DSs were babes) so hard onto carpet that it shattered and lotion splattered everywhere - I honestly don't even remember what he was upset about

*I was late getting home from buying groceries once (as in about 10 minutes) which didn't make him late for work, he simply couldn't be as early as he wanted to be - and he came flying at me off our front porch shouting/screaming every profanity you can ever imagine - pure rage - I remember standing there after he tore out of our driveway and it felt like I'd been violently raped - like it would have felt better if he'd just hit me - and it was so unbelievably uncalled for??? I packed up my then aged 2,2, and 3yr. old sons and headed to a motel for the night. He ended up calling every single person I knew, including some of my friends parents trying to find me and sobbing to everyone. Oh, he felt so so bad. It would never happen again. Blah blah blah. But the scars are there for me. BTW that also turned into "how miserable he was at his job" "how he felt like he just couldn't talk to me about it" - this turning it into the let's feel sorry for the POS would be/is his theme song - and he can be very convincing

*One night several years ago after he'd been drinking heavily I made some snide comments to him and went off to bed - I don't even remember what I said, wasn't thinking it was too provoking? but he flipped out - ripped my flipped phone (yep, it was a few years ago) into 2 pieces (literally) slammed a barstool so hard on our kitchen floor that it went through the floor, the whole floor, subfloor and all, and broke the solid oak seat of the stool in half..., took a chair from kids' little kitchen set and swung it at the entertainment cabinet breaking both the chair and the door to the cabinet... I could hear him raging and remember thinking WTF?? I remember feeling confused as it wasn't like we'd had some big fight, like his behavior doesn't = the situation. Needless to say when everything got quiet I went to check on him and found him laying in our entry sobbing and once again it was poor, poor POS, I don't know what's wrong with me, blah, blah, blah - (Sidenote here: thank God no children were home that night)

*then there's the multiple Ddays and his rage at getting caught - argh, I can't even write about the things he did/said to me on those days... I will get there but just can't right now...

Sorry for the long post. I just really feel like I need to get some of this out of me. I so want to move on.

Him-WS/STBX41 Last OW/Current GF22
M 17yrs Together 20
Cheated our whole relationship Multiple Ddays, Multiple OW, Multiple EAs and PAs
DS19, TwinDSs18, DD13

Posts: 328 | Registered: Oct 2008
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Default  Posted: 8:02 AM, December 24th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Don't worry about long posts. I can't tell you the number of aha moments I've had from the stories here.

Long repressed memories of quiet and not so quiet acts of violence. - it always gives me that trapped, anxious tightness in my chest and it makes me want to run. I'm learning to turn around and face them, name them, take away their power to make me want to run.

You getting this out could help someone else find their voice. Be mindful not to turn on yourself. Shine a torch there for sure, just don't club yourself over the head with that torch (I did, still do sometimes).

Keep reading. Keep posting. You are cutting the noxious weeds off you right now. You'll see a chink of sunlight and then it gets bigger. One day you'll be basking in the sunshine.

I may have reached a point where I'd piss on him if he was on fire.... eventually!!

Posts: 6003 | Registered: Apr 2012 | From: Australia
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Default  Posted: 2:17 AM, December 25th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think you will find many people here on SI that have had similar ah-ha moments. From what I have read it appears that NPD is rampant, and they are all so similar there should be a law that every marriage license comes with a description of it! Just fantasizing ... lol

My STBX didn't fly into violent rages or yell, but his voice would get deeper and lower and NASTY MEAN. Freaked me the fuck out. I am talking SCARY.

I was never afraid of him physically because I come from a long line of Beserkers (and no, I'm not kidding) that's my heritage. I am physically strong so he never pushed that button. I do not, however, always think I look good or have confidence about my appearance. My family are robust (if you're being kind), and I'm not a small or delicate woman. So that is the way he would attack me. Insidious and subversive shit, all the time.

I've only been NC since about 3 weeks ago and I already see so many ways I just rolled over and let him determine what we did, where we went ... so many things I just 'didn't have an opinion' and now I realize I just wanted to avoid making him angry/upset.

Boss A** B*tch
BS/52 Me, STBXpos/56, dd's 16&14
1st D-day 10/19/2013 EA/PA
2nd D-day 12/7/2013 LTA/Rendezvous
S 12/7/2013 No-fault state, 6 mo S, counting down the days.

Posts: 1271 | Registered: Oct 2013 | From: DE
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Default  Posted: 10:41 AM, December 25th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ditto to feeling the exact same things. I spent my evenings during divorce at a shelter because I would come home to things like wires being strung to trip me or spy camera on me. I learned there that of course it is abuse by someone who doesn't have the "balls" to hit because they are weak but it usually will escalate to physical abuse if the relationship continues. Be glad you got out when you did. They told us there that in this type of breakup it takes the abused person 6 months for every year married to finally get back to the person you were before. Me...I'm looking at 8 years in my case to heal. It will just hit you one day...I am over this crap. Hang in there.

Me: Divorced 2012
I know that when I truly love & honor myself I am at my best & most complete; and I will never settle for anything less from myself or from anyone else ever again!

Posts: 460 | Registered: Nov 2013 | From: SWFL
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Default  Posted: 12:46 PM, December 25th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

OMG I'm looking at 8-10yrs. to recover myself? ? Yikes I better get to work! I have been doing a lot of reading/research on this lately and oh boy do I have so much more "noxious weeding" to do. I apologize in advance for upcoming lenghthy posts. And he is still trying to fuck w/my head.

What scares me the most is this: when he can't get to me, he fucks w/the kids. Emotionally, verbally and right now he is busy manipulating them. He is a sick twisted bastard. How the hell do I protect my kids??? How do I counter his damage??? Two have already started IC and the other two start mid-January. I feel so helpless and I am utterly terrified.

Him-WS/STBX41 Last OW/Current GF22
M 17yrs Together 20
Cheated our whole relationship Multiple Ddays, Multiple OW, Multiple EAs and PAs
DS19, TwinDSs18, DD13

Posts: 328 | Registered: Oct 2008
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