I just feel like I NEED her to know what she's done to me. I want to say so badly that I know her better than anyone here, but then again, the woman I knew wouldn't have done this to me. I want to say I know this will hit home and lead us down the path to either reconciliation, or confirmation that its over when, ultimately, this may make things worse. I just HATE sitting in limbo and its killing me for her to not know what devastation she left behind.
D-Day - 1/20/14
She moved out with a good amount of her stuff. I am still in our home with the rest of her crap and all the reminders. Last I heard, she was staying with her mom to get some space, but who the hell knows now. We have had minimal contact, but our last contact was that she "needed time" and wants to ultimately reconcile. She says the A is over, but I have no way of knowing if that too is a lie or not.
Please talk me off the ledge...
Limbo sucks. But focus on what you want for yourself independent of the M. Do things that have their focus on that, on you; on the new opportunity to work on yourself.
I forget--are you in IC? That would be a great refuge for you right now.
...our last contact was that she "needed time" and wants to ultimately reconcile.
she wants, she needs
What do you want and need? Please focus your energy in that direction.
What is she doing to show you she wants to reconcile? Talk is cheap, they all talk and tell us things to string us along.
Whether you send the letter is up to you. It won't have the desired affect. It won't show her or change anything right now. She is checked out of your marriage.
I will refrain from sending this. I think I just needed to be told to pull my head out of my ass again before I did something dumb. I'll continue to not reach out to her, and if she wants to save this, she has to come to me and SHOW me. I'm not sure how long I can stay in limbo, but I guess I'll know when that clock runs out.
I wrote letters. On one of the few times we saw each other before the divorce I was an absolute crying trainwreck.
She knew I was devastated. It didn't matter.
After a month or two I decided that I was going to move on with my life. I was going to heal. I was going to do things to make me the best person I could be for the friends and family that were in my life.
Ultimately, my wife and I reconciled and remarried. But, that's not the norm.
The important take away is that I was going to be happy with my life. I was rebuilding.
Focus on you and your healing. That is something you can actually influence. Trust that you are strong and you can rebuild and be happy. Whether that includes your WW is a TBD down the road. She may or may not figure out what she needs to do to be a part of your life. But you should know that your life can and will be good again. You will make that so.
I just feel like I NEED her to know what she's done to me.
Buddy, if I had a dollar for every time I felt that way, I could retire. Gently, she doesn't give a crap. It took me following my WW and the OM to the house she's been living at for the past 8 weeks or so LAST NIGHT after being told the DAY BEFORE (while me trying to explain what you want to convey) that she was so sorry for hurting me and that she had not talked to him since before we separated (before Thanksgiving).
True, undemanded remorse and repentance is the ONLY type of attitude you can R with. Until your WW displays that, you are pissing in the wind.
Granted we were much younger and not married, but my last "serious" relationship before my WW ended much the same way. She cheated, i moved on eventually, she comes back, we hit it off again, she cheats again. The second time I remember being more pissed that I fell for it again than hurt.
I do not like this pattern though - seems everyone always eventually cheats on me (not just the current WW and ex-girlfriend from just outta high school days). Maybe thats a sign.
By sharing your pain and your hurt you are opening up and being vulnerable, isn't she really the one that needs to that? Not you?
Reread 180. Read profiles of Moving Upward (Moo), and Stronger, and Abandondad, so you know that you too can survive this and be ok.
Find yourself again, and find happiness again. She may wake up and get her head on straight, and she may not, at least you know you will be ok either way.
I know you feel like you want to send it, but it really won't make an impact. Not if she isn't really into R. It MAY manipulate her into making a decision that isn't right. And from what I read, it seems like she has left you hanging on a string, waiting to see if you will really wait, or waiting to see if someone "better" comes along.
Make your own way, become your own person. Even if your interests were all things you did together, find a way to enjoy them with out her. If it requires a "partner' find a friend to join you. I would start by making an inventory of all your interests, see what you want to try first. Or think about what you did before you were married. Pick up those interests.
hugs and luck
For you, itís double hell. I wonít accept some cheating waste to hide things from me, ever. You shouldnít either. Even it if was just once, she is still going and kissing your son after seeing OM. She is honestly delusional to just hide it from you.
Iíd suggest taking a hard stance. If she wonít open up, youíre done. If she wonít completely tell the truth, Iíd leave.
Why are you tolerating this nightmare from her, or anyone? Youíre better that that.
Remember = She and her lover had their fun. Now you get to be tortured, and she is dictating what you can and cannot know? Screw her. Seriously, sheís acting like a spoiled bitch. ďOh, BooHoo! I cheated and now I think maybe I ruined some things that I liked.Ē YOU are the victim here. YOU are the one that did nothing to cause this. SHE cheated. SHE lied. SHE had sex with too many people. HE needed to change.
Donít put up with her bullshit. If she wants R, then she tells you who, when, how, and any other question you have, immediately.
Iím sorry youíre stuck with her as a WW. Sheís not remorseful. Sheís not trying to make amends. Sheís running away like a coward and crying because she is so sad. Fuck her.
In my opinion, no BS should ever be in limbo unless they are comfortable being a doormat or like enabling their spouse to screw around with someone else. Not this guy. The hard 180 works in my opinion. I wasn't going to wait around weeks for a decision. It was either me or OM. I was ready to split the assets and D immediately. If D was the route, we needed to tell the kids that week. She needed to look for somewhere else to live while I worked on selling the house. I was ready to unwind our life together and I had plans. Plans that didn't include her. I wanted my healing to start immediately.
Your letter is great to send to a WS who is coming out of the fog, is remorseful and wants to R. Unfortunately your WW is not any of them. Knock her off the fence. Either way you will be on the road to recovery. Right now your are bleeding and your WW is making the wound worse. I am reminded of the bible reading of the healing pool near Betheseda. A lame man was lying next to the pool for 38 years. When Jesus saw him and knew he had been lying there a long time, he said to him, "Do you want to be healed?" (John 5:6 RSV)
That is a question we all face when something tragic happens like this. You think the answer would be an obvious Yes to wanting to be healed but many people like their weakness. They are always craving the attention of others through their helplessness. They have grown used to be co-dependent on others rather than assuming responsibility for their own lives. This choice is yours to make. If you want to start the healing process, then "Rise, pick up your mat, and walk." And at once the man was healed, and he took up his mat and walked. (John 5:8b-9a RSV)
As much as it hurt me to say it, i know it needed to be said, so i told her that i can live with either scenario. I just won't sit in limbo indefinitely. We'll see if that "knocks her off the fence" or not. As painful as it is, I'd rather her straight up tell me if we're done or not, but again, I am not waiting around like some sad lost puppy dog. I told her I have my own life to live, with or without her, and I'm not going to try an sway her either way. She's the one who strayed, so its on her to win me back, or decide to move on. I can and will live with either choice.
On the inside, I'm dying still, but I'm not telling her that. I have no choice in what she decides, but I do have a choice in how I handle myself going forward, and dammit I will come out of all of this a better man, with or without her.
I have reconciled with my wife. She witnessed the damage she caused but she still does not truly have any idea of the true damage.
There is no chance in hell your wife will get it through a letter.
Your last response was the BEST possible thing you could have done.
Man, if she gets an apartment, you need to get a lawyer. It's over.
Plus, how small could her own mother's place be that it wouldn't accommodate her sister? Really? That's just an excuse to have her own place so her and the OM can do whatever, whenever.
Take my WW, she's been at this lady's house in the MIL sweet over the garage since before Christmas. Her cousin has begged her to come back to her house (3000+ square feet), and friends of ours (well hers with a walk out basement) have asked her to live with them (I read her texts the other night). My WW is making excuses for staying over the garage. Why? Because it's her "own place" and easy to sneek the OM in to and out of. Plain and simple.
THAT SAID, getting an apartment is basically saying its over. There are other options I know that'd be available to her aside from even moving back to our home. She can say whatever she wants about why she wants to get her own place, but taking that step essentially closes the door.
In the meantime, your last response was good. In fact, maybe it's time for you to set the tone. If she calls again, thinking she has options, tell her no. Place her things in bags, and tell her a time she can pick them up. As for dividing the property, inform her that it will be done via lawyers. Take back your power.
I'd also recommend removing her from facebook (if you have one), and any other social sites. I believe the W's use these sites to keep tabs on us. If she looks, she will see you've removed her. Trust me, if there is a chance with her, this will sting and make her think for a moment.
The purpose of the 180 is for the B to take care of themselves and take back control of their life. I think by doing so, it also in many cases, wakes the Wayward up to who they are losing. It shakes their world, and forces them to see reality.
True Love: What I have for my beautiful children.
I have no choice in what she decides, but I do have a choice in how I handle myself going forward, and dammit I will come out of all of this a better man, with or without her.
Now you've got it. You will still feel weak sometimes, you will still hurt, but by taking back control, by choosing what is best for you, the healing can start. As others have said, you can move on and get an independent, happy life. You are strong enough. You are worth it.
dammit I will come out of all of this a better man, with or without her.
I got up at 4am this morning and was in the gym by 4:30. I am 42 years old and in about 2.5 more months I'll have my "six pack" back and will be in better shape than I have been in since I was a paratrooper 22 years ago.
My wife will know for the rest of my life that my value is not to be minimized and I would be a very good catch for another woman. She will ALWAYS be on her "toes" so to speak as long as we are married.
Sorry if this is harsh but I want my wife to "work" for me and nothing does that like a little perceived competition.*
*For the record I have not and WILL NOT EVER cheat on my wife.