He has been trying to do everything right, I have actually been surprised by his actions. It seems the affair had gone on long enough to run its course naturally and he was "trying" *cough cough* to end it before I found the emails.
We have been to 6 couples counseling sessions (his company will pay for that many)
He has officially ended it in writing, it took 2 emails for her to get the picture (both approved by me.) a few weeks after the first one she left him a voice mail about how she was an emotional train wreck, and he never did say if they couldn't still be friends...so he called me right away and we wrote another. They still work for the same company but do not necessarily have to see each other often. He has been coming home daily with *contact reports* for me. There was some contact at first as he delegated his responsibilities that would include her to other people. (that contact was limited to email and group discussions) but hell who knows the truth here...
Anyway, the point of my post... I have read through many of the posts here, and *how long does this take* is a common question with no answer haha.
I guess I am seeking advice on obsessing over every detail. At first I asked him daily...berated him, needed more more more...I was horrible and mean and angry ... he deserves it...and I just NEEDED TO KNOW everything. that seems to have settled down to about less than once a week...maybe longer between days like this and I am less mean and angry... Like I am now able to shake the thoughts and questions out of my head more because I know they really serve no purpose but to cause me pain reliving it over and over.
However this past week was BAD I have started to have panic attacks and thoughts seem to come out of no where..
Though I have partially narrow where this came from down to; on the Wednesday he had to go into work late for a presentation (first time since D-Day) she was not there or involved...I know he was there because he gave me access to his live work security log (he works in a high security place) and you have to swipe to get anywhere and pass through security guards (he was there the whole time, she was not) he called me several times while there and even offered to secretly turn on his phone so I could hear it all. An hour before he had to leave I just lost it, couldn't breath..etc. which pisses me off and makes me feel weak.
Anyway, it seems to have stirred up everything again for me. My problem is I can see the toll it is taking on him after 4 months. I find myself caring that it is taking a toll on him...his shame and guilt...then I get pissed at myself for giving a shit about it or how he feels..
I don't want to push him away, but I also don't want to hold it all in... I pictured us going through this together stronger on the other side...but maybe there comes a point when I should just stop talking to him about it? maybe I need my own private counselor? or is this still common at month 4 and I should cut myself some slack.
Thank you for your time and thoughts.
At 4 months I think you are doing well to get out of bed and dressed everyday. Seriously. This is some overwhelming, life altering shit. It takes time, and a lot of it, and hard work for both of you to reach a point where it won't be the center of your world every minute of every day.
If you are concerned that you aren't getting there fast enough then just remember you are grieving. You are grieving the loss of your M as you rebuild it and try to start fresh.
I do think that IC for both of you is a great idea if you find therapy helpful. You need better coping skills in dealing with your anger other than berating him. Yes he deserves it, but it is also counterproductive. He could use it to figure out why he walked down the infidelity path to begin with.
I am a big proponent of figuring out the WS's whys. Without that, I feel you are at a much greater risk of repeat performances. And that's not a concert I care to attend more than once.
Be kind, and be patient with yourself. You should be making you a priority, and doing something nice for yourself every single day. This stuff takes a toll, and you get tired of dealing with it, and it's ok to shelve it for a day or two, then a week or two, then a month or two, then a year or so. It will not always be the center of your relationship, it will makes it way to the periphery as you both heal.
Listen, at four months, you are still going to have HUGE swings up and down on the emotional rollercoaster that you never wanted to ride in the first place. That's common. You'll have times when you have it pretty much together and then something will trigger you and BAM, up and down. You're not going crazy. I still have swings at almost 2 years out. And your WH working with the OW doesn't make it any easier.
I truly and honestly would suggest that you both get individual counseling (IC). It's really helpful in getting a safe place to let it all out and to try to figure out what your triggers are, how to deal with them, and how to start healing. For him, it's going to be a good place for him to figure out why he thought that committing adultery was such a great idea.
To get though this together and to try to help each other heal, you are going to have to feel what you feel and talk about it, and he is going to have to suck it up and see your hurt. No, you do not want to go out of your way to hurt him or "punish" him, but part of the consequences that a remorseful WS has to go through is to see the harm that they have caused. This is where both of you having ICs will help you both to work out some of these feelings and swings in a supportive atmosphere.
Keep coming back often for support. We're all here for you!
D-Day, June 10, 2012
My anger was extreme in the beginning... I am a sensitive feely person, I can be overwhelmed by any extreme feelings. In the first 2 weeks I look back and regret 3 conversations so so much. I said things I never thought I could say to or about the man I love. I wish I could take it back especially now 4 months in and starting to understand from all of our conversations that his actions might well stem from self esteem issues.
Since then I should use the word badgering maybe not berating...once a week or so just asking the same questions over and over about who, what, when...etc.
With the recent panic attacks I have been wondering if I have moved into some more PTSD thing, or maybe it is just a BS thing..
I couldn't sleep for a long time, I lost 30lbs. I had AF for like 30 straight days. My body might just give out if I don't try and move forward.
The more you guys talk the better. The more he explains about his feelings the better. It takes two to five years to get through this and he needs to know that so he doesn't think you are just punishing him for the heck of it.
There are great books available, and also the healing library on this site.
Take it one day at a time. You will obsess for a long time, but it will get better. Hugs.
Yes, this is totally normal. You were triggering--it is a trauma you went through, and going back there in your mind causes a reaction that is very difficult to control. Try to give in to it in the best way possible--fighting the feelings won't help, they must come out. But you could take up running or kickboxing, or find some healing, comforting routine (bubble baths, etc) to help place you in a better mindframe. Do keep discussing it with him but maybe set certain parameters, like the conversations happen at a certain time, or are only a certain length. You can ask your WH to be patient and if he's remorseful, and you don't lash out to unrelated topics, he should be there for you without question.
It is not easy but you are doing great. The swings are unavoidable but will eventually lessen. Four months is very, very early. Forgive yourself for struggling and treat yourself as gently as possible while simultanously knowing you are strong enough to survive this.
Sleep deprivation is bad and will make you more emotional and less able to make good decisions and judgments.
Make sure you are gettin enough Protein even if you aren't feeling like eating.
For me, it's almost two years since I found out but your post still makes me cry. I think it helps to have a private counselor. My WS was not remorseful AT ALL. WS started a new family before he moved out and now they are living together. Their baby was born before Christmas. There is very much a grieving process. It's as if my WS died. He is dead from my life and I cry as I write this.
I just read a poem on hufipufi's post and it brought tears to my eyes still. I wish I had the guts to have my fww read it too. I don't want both of us crying tonight.
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You are doing great and everything you are feeing is normal. I am 8 months out. My D Day was 7/31 and I can say that at 8 months, I am feeling better. Ask all those questions !!! Get it all out in the open. I also asked a zillion questions. My "H" also had a long term affair, but he met the OW from the internet. I can say to take care of your health. I feel that the stress took a huge hit on my health...but everyday I am getting better and so will you !!! Your "H" should be willing to answer all questions. He needs to realize that you will have anger. I also suggest that you go to therapy on your own as well. I told my "H" that it is ALL about me now. That he took my "peace" away and I am taking it back. Do not question if you are normal. Of course you are normal !!! Your "H" is the one who is lucky you are trying to work it out and not kicking him to the curb. I still have moments where I obsess, but I have learned that it just robs me of my "peace" that I want back so desperately. Think about what you want, what you feel !!! Take care of YOU. You are doing great and you are going to be fine. HUGS to you
All your feelings and emotions are quite normal we have all gone through them (are still going through them)
You have recognised for yourself that the need to berate and question has lessened already so that trend will continue. However, there will also be times when the whole thing just erupts again and you feel like you are back at day 1 this is also normal and will continue to happen for a while. 4 months is not long and it sounds like you are doing incredibly well.
It sounds as if your husband is being very supportive and realises what he needs to do to help you heal, that is great and I am happy for you.
It is a long road we are all on, sometimes we have nice long smooth bits, then along comes a patch of rubble that knocks us off course for a while, we just have to learn how to cope with it all.