I feel like I've had so many of those since I got back out there, actually not mostly related to the ex though this time it is. The first date on the same day another brief dating relationship flamed out dramatically and hurtfully, and the second date that took place the day after I found out my brother is a SA...times when everything inside you is screaming 'I can't do this!'
I've managed to do it anyway, and I usually get on board and am present and in the moment; but it still feels like so much right now, to try and open myself up to someone while I'm also desperately trying to put my finger in the dyke saving me from the disaster of my relationship with exWBF, as old feelings surge out and give me a panicky drowning feeling.
Maybe it's just that I need more time alone to heal, I don't know. Maybe it's just life--a bit messy at times.
The guy I am seeing tonight (5th date) is so nice and sweet and respectful. I'm afraid I'm not emotionally available enough for it yet. Or it could also be that I'm not used to having a dynamic based more on shared values than it is on flirtatious chemistry, and so things have a slower, healthier pace. Afterall, I shouldn't be head over heels with someone I don't really know yet! Just liking them is fine, and not being infatuated may not mean emotionally unavailable to him...it could juts mean feeling things out and seeing what the potential is for emotion to grow.
For today, I'm just going to try not to put any pressure on myself to snap my fingers and feel magically better. But it's always strange when an internal emotional state rubs up against how you're 'supposed' to feel about a date or social activity.
I get exactly what your saying. I don't know either if I am hung up on my xbf or if I need more time, either.
Sometimes wonder if I should push through because he's such an amazing guy, etc., or if I am using my lack of crazy butterflies as an excuse to not be in a healthy relationship. I honestly don't think I know what healthy relationships look like, KWIM? (Sorry to t/j I really, really relate to everything you are saying... wow, I just read through your post again, and I could've written it myself......cue twilight zone music)
I wish I could give you some helpful advice, but I'm as confused as you are. One minute I think I need more time, the next I'm thinking I need to see this through. Aaaaggg....sorry, I'm no help at all!!
Sometimes I hear my voice, and it's been here, silent all these years. I've been here, silent all these years.
I do think the healthy relationship thing is a big part of it. I know what unhealthy feels like--it feels comfortable. This, which is *actually* comfortable (there is no uncertainty, great follow-through, clear communication), therefore feels strange!
And then add to that confusion the fact of having my own issues to sort through that are separate from the guy, and the water gets muddy.
I am trying not to run away and also to keep myself honest with him about still feeling my way. If it turns out I'm not ready, I'm sure I'll realize that sooner or later (hopefully without hurting him), and then I can do the work to become more ready. I think it's a lot less clearcut when things are finalized for a person when it's a breakup and not a divorce--most people aren't realistically going to wait for, say, a year after a relationship ends to date again (and it's been nice to get out there and be open to new people), while having to wait for a D to be final gives a built-in breathing period.
Just because it's not a divorce doesn't mean you can't take time to give yourself the break you need to deal with these emotions.
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RIght out of the shit with the ex, I dated Joyce for a while... She was confused about what dating was/is... I was too... Each of us knew what "normal" was about in our former lives with our ex's...
"normal" to each of us was a mystery... It didn't last long... I think 4-5 months?... Maybe less...
I'm about 7.5-8 years out and it still puzzles me... Since the ex I haven't regretted any relationship I've been in... I've learned a lot... I understand more about relationships than I ever thought I would...
I know more about what I'm willing/not willing to compromise to be in a relationship...
There are huge differences between being really single like I have been again for a while now and in a relationship...
I agree with you about the differences in processing time. With my divorce I had lots of time to sort through it all and it was more clear cut, at least for me. Typically we try all avenues to keep a marriage together, especially when kids are involved. There's MC, and loads of trying before finally calling it quits. With a xbf its different and we don't try as hard to work out problems. As a result there isn't as much processing time and not as many opportunities to fix things.
With my xbf my relationship was more of an intense love. The type of love I always wanted. I really thought he was 'the one', but he still didn't treat me well. The relationship was probably a little dysfunctional as it was more one sided on my end.
The guy I am seeing now is the exact opposite, and he treats me really well. He calls, texts, and follows through. He doesn't have baggage (his wife died in 01 from cancer), and is an all around great guy. So...I don't know what the problem is? Why am I not more excited? Why am I just 'meh'?? Where are the butterflies? Isn't this what I've always wanted, and if so why am I not feeling more of the above?
Like you, I'm trying not to run away either, but its really hard! I am so confused because I've always been a 'trust your gut' gal, but that hasn't served me well in other relationships. My hearts telling me to run and my heads telling me to stay put. Maybe I need to find someone that my head and heart are in alignment with? Ugh. I just don't know. I know just how you feel...Its so very frustrating and confusing.
I mean, what do healthy relationships look like, because I have no idea? None whatsoever.
I also have my own issues to work on, so part of me thinks (like you) that perhaps I need to sort through those first? But, what if it takes me years to sort through them, shouldn't I be dating at the same time? Or, what if this guy is 'the one' but I don't know it because dysfunctional relationships are normal and comfortable for me? Or, what if I get so comfortable not dating that I put up walls and shut relationships out instead, cause thats not healthy, either. Bloody hell, this stuffs a nightmare!! I am really relating to how you feel.
I do agree that time will make it clearer, though. Well...at least that's what I am hoping.. I wish I had some great advice, or profound wisdom, but I'm stuck in the same spot. I hoping that a bunch of people will respond to your post, because I really want to read what they say! Are you multi-dating?
Good luck on your date tonight, and let me know how it goes, and if anything becomes clearer! And again, I'm sorry I'm not more helpful..
Nora, don't force it. If you're not feeling like going out, then don't go out. Dating should be fun instead of a chore. Sometimes I need to just be alone for a night, and then I feel better. If I try to force myself to go out when I don't feel like it, I usually end up feeling even worse afterward.
I've been out on a couple of dates and just somehow knew what I was feeling, was not the way I should be feeling. If this indeed was something that was something good, something healthy I would not have felt that incredible urge to run the hell out of that restaurant.
My head was spinning just like you described. The panicky, drowning feeling. The reality check,.. crap what the heck is this?
I too do not have any answers for you, but I do know you are not alone.
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The guy I saw last night is very upfront about liking me and we had a good talk where I told him I had regressed a bit from running into my ex and was afraid I might not be as ready as I thought. I also admitted that I'm not used to dating 'healthily', based on compatibility instead of hormones, and that it's a little strange for me. So, a few yellow flags on me but he's willing to take the risk and see where this goes and to give me space to let it develop at my own slow pace.
I might end up hurting him but I hope that will be not because I'm 'not ready' but because sometimes things just don't work out even if you both want to see what's there. Lostly, I'm still dating one other person (took down my OLD though), because I'm not ready yet to stop--if the guy I saw last night asked me for exclusivity, I would have had to tell him that I'm not ready for it yet and ended things. His being patient and willing to play this out without any pressure was a big relief. I definitely am not used to lacking the butterflies but I know those fade and I can see the foundations for mutual respect with this guy, so I'm willing to try to add the physical spark in later as we get to know each other better.
Reading "Codependent No More" on the train today I found the acronym HOW pretty apt--Honesty, Openness, Willingness. I'll keep those lines open and if the past keeps holding me back I will step back and acknowledge that a break is needed.
Anyway, that's where I'm at! All we can do is feel it out for ourselves and try to be self-aware.
I understand how just seeing your xwbf can set you back. Ugh, Its just not fair when he sends you a text saying he loves you and that you look good. Its like he's are playing with your head and he knows it...Weeks of hard work, gone! Then you miss him all over again, and have to remind yourself what a jerk he was, and around and around it goes. Why, just why, do they do that to us???!!
I am surprised at how many others that commented on your thread are in similar situations or feel the same way. Its encouraging to know we are not alone.
I am very interested in your comments about intermittent reward and I would love to read more about it. Do you mind please posting a link? I think it may very well be what is holding me back with moving on from my xbf. Although I do see and talk to him everyday, which doesn't help matters AT ALL.
I am also still dating other guys, even though the guy I am dating is exclusively dating me. In a way I wish he would date others to take a little of the pressure off and slow things down a bit. You mentioned that the physical spark is something you have to work on. In what way? Is it just THERE, KWIM? Is it something your waiting on? The reason I ask is do you think this might be what's holding you back, a lack of physical attraction? I'm not sure if that's part of my problem, as I'm definitely not as attracted to the guy I am seeing now as I was with my xbf, even though they guy I am seeing now is technically better looking. That 'flirty, fun' personality some guys have is big turn on for me.
Is this your first time reading 'Co-Dependent No More'?. Its one of my favorite books. I haven't looked at it for a few years, although it may be a good idea to pull it out and take another look.
Also, I hope you can get to a place of less contact with the ex soon! No fun. A few days after seeing/hearing from my exWBF, I've already bounced back a lot, so time does help t least!
You're gaining knowledge about yourself as well as the men you date. That type of learning and introspection is invaluable, and will serve you well once you want to commit.
Don't let society and labels force you into a solution you're not comfortable joining.
Sigh. Too bad. He wrote a song inspired by me and I genuinely think we are on the same page about tons of things. Some woman out there will be very lucky to find him.
And then he sent me a farewell text of him with a butterfly on his finger! As a parting gift. Oh dear. I think perhaps this one was a little too nice for me. The poor man deserves someone who is more aligned with him.