You need other people to validate you because you can't do it yourself. You don't really think you are funny, talented and all the rest. When you're alone you find yourself lacking and you're scared other people will find out eventually.
Why is that? Why don't you think you're enough?
Chin up. Unwavering. Fight. We can do this.
For example, I've learned to be much more straightforward and serious when I'm communicating one-on-one with the opposite sex. If I'm addressing an entire group of friends or people, I will just be my naturally charismatic self, but if I'm conversing with a woman I try to be much more aware of the verbal and non-verbal 'signals' that I'm sending out.
That won't solve your issue of 'needing to be adored', but it will help you establish some boundaries re: the opposite sex while you figure the rest out.
I can't see it as something that I should change but since it's my MO my whole life and hasn't hurt me in MOST situations in my life.
It has been my experience that 'flashy, centre of attention people' tend to be great aquaintences because they're fun to be around but most people don't want them as firm friends because they tend to be fickle, unreliable and are not to be counted on when the going gets tough.
The stoic, quiet achievers tend to make better, truer friends.
What's been your experience?
[This message edited by SlowUptake at 9:38 AM, July 30th (Wednesday)]
"Do not say a little in many words but a great deal in a few." Pythagoras
There are two kinds of people in the world.
Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
I must say, BBT shows a lot of wisdom for her age! Her reply is spot on.
[This message edited by SlowUptake at 8:11 AM, July 30th (Wednesday)]
I swear you are my dad made over. Flashy. Center of attention. Has to be adored. Has to be noticed. Lemme guess. Do you have an epic tie collection too that's just as brazen as your personality?
I stated that I enjoyed it but didn't need it.
We all have talents. I don't doubt you're a good musician or tennis player. But you're all big stages and bright lights dude. Why did you choose *those* jobs? Why didn't you choose to teach music to under privileged children? Still music. Still using your talents. But not a stage and lights. And of course, no screaming fans and chick's asking for your autograph.
I have talents. And could totally exploit myself in an effort to gain praise and glory for them. But I don't. Used to. But don't anymore. Partially because I lack confidence. But mostly because I know what the path of praise and glory is. I get a little attention and some pats on the head. Kibbles, kibbles, kibbles. But even with everyone fawning over me, at the end of the day when I was all alone, in the quiet, and everyone sleeping, I was sitting there in the dark, wishing I could believe everything the adoring fans said. I didn't and couldn't believe it myself. So what's the plan? Get up the next day and do it all over again. Desperately searching for that little thing called peace.
I still use my talents. But it's in a very different way. I use them for me. My family. And I use it for gifts to those I love and care about. I don't market myself. I quietly do my project, then give it to someone who is on my heart. Not because I want the praise. Not for the adoration. But to brighten the day of someone else. I don't even have to tell them I made it with my own hands. If they ask, I answer. But I don't volunteer that information. I don't want the kibbles that comes with it.
Maybe I'm a little overboard about it. But I have seen first hand in my husband's life, just how badly my need for validation hurt him. AND I am a product of a person (dad) who needs it still to this day. I see the constant and daily destruction he does. And I want absolutely zero part of that kind of life.
BTW, BBT and Ascendant had some really good things to say. Read their posts several times.
"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." - J. Wayne
[This message edited by Brandon808 at 4:07 PM, July 30th, 2014 (Wednesday)]
Topic: My girlfriend says Aubrie is right about my need to be adored
Don't sweat it, Aubrie is known around here for being right almost all of the time.
[This message edited by Sal1995 at 9:19 PM, July 30th (Wednesday)]
I read your posts and don't think any of them are even close to "SPOT ON" as you say,
I've been thinking about what everybody said. Maybe a little spot on with many of the comments,
What a difference stepping back and processing can do for you. Your gut reaction is to get defensive. But I have found that when I get defensive there is probably some truth there that I need to look at.
The fact that you have kept coming back, letting us know that you aren't ignoring the posters and you are processing what is being said shows a little bit of growth.
Acknowledging that some of the comments have been "somewhat" spot on is one thing. Now, what are you going to do?
Keep working through this zoro.
Good points and I am aware and don't flirt or try to be cute when it's with another woman. I changed after my affair in that aspect for sure.
This one is more spot on in that I have hundreds of friends and acquaintances through both professions. I have some close friends but NONE that I hang around with.
When I'm off work I either do stuff with my girlfriend (ride bikes, go to the beach, play golf) or play golf with my son or watch a few things on TV later in the evening. I don't really have time for hanging with any friends other than my girlfriend and family.
I'm sorry you don't have confidence in what you do or did, but I'm happy you are making use of those talents in a nice way.
Was it your main source of income or do you just do it on the side?
By the way I've never bought a tie, although I've been given some that I wear when necessary.
I guess you're using your talents in figuring out other peoples behavior with your insight from their posts. I can see why you said what you said about me from what I wrote and you're not entirely wrong, but a little overboard with your assessment of knowing what I'm really like. I certainly don't know what you are like other than what I have read on SI for a number of years and you've made some great observations that are consistent with certain types of personalities, but everybody is not the same and nothing is black and white like you make it seem at times.
I took in some of what you said.
I have changed since my affair in a big way. I don't think my playing music and teaching tennis hurts my relationship other than time away from my girlfriend (which is a real consideration). Neither of them are there for me to seek validation or adoration even though they both provide it. I'm still not sure I actually need it. Maybe when I cut back I might feel that but for now I just go to my jobs and work and enjoy them.
I feel I am myself at work and playing music. I don't think I need to apologize or quit because they bring attention to me. That's what I mean about not wanting to change. Damn I just feel lucky!
As said to Brandon808 I have changed in many respects since my affair, even when at parties. I'm not sitting in the corner, but I think I fit in how anyone else would in public and can't see why I would feel any different about myself because my jobs were playing music and teaching tennis. I respect everybody for what they do and what they contribute to society. I feel insignificant to many, but don't put myself down because I'm not as smart as they are or as rich or whatever. I love my life and need to work on some issues which I feel I always am to some extent and always trying to improve.
Yes that behavior as you stated led to my affair in that I didn't respect my boundaries enough and was very selfish then. I could still stand to be less selfish and I know that.
Yes, I'm glad I took a little time to think about what I wanted to say since it did upset me that members talked so aggressively and all knowing about my behaviors. Some of what they said is correct and worth working on. I will continue to read and post which for sure makes me think at least.
I taught Special Education and helped many underprivileged children in those days. They still thank me to this day when I run into them. I enjoyed working with them
Your phrasing is interesting here. It's all about you, the ego kibbles you receive for being so helpful and selfless and then what you got out of it rather than what you gave to them. Might be something worth thinking about.
The bottom line, zoro, is that you failed to enforce a boundary with that drunk woman. In that moment you cared more about offending and upsetting the woman with her arm draped round you (and consequently how you would be perceived by her) than you did about your BGF's feelings.
Your BGF now has to question the strength of your boundaries when she is not around to witness things. She cannot trust you to protect yourself or your relationship. She is telling you this loud and clear... what are you going to do about it?
Absolutely the world is not black and white. I'm in a very gray situation right now. I don't have all the answers and will readily admit it.
You seem to have a handle on yourself and are totally ok with you. The only reason you're here is because of your GF. Do you think she is be the problem and not you? Do you feel you're a-ok and she needs to jump on board? What are you hoping to gain by posting? Or are you just posting to appease the GF?
Do you or do you not have an issue with wanting to be adored? Do you see it as an issue? Or is It something you are entitled to have as long as you don't flirt or cheat? What are your guidelines for adoration and ego kibbles?
P.S. I would PM this but your GF is here and I don't know who she is to clear it with her. Her comfort and safety is important. So on the thread it is. If you prefer I stay off your threads, say the word. I am totally cool with backing away if you find I grate you more than help.
The point of being being here is to heal.
[This message edited by Aubrie at 5:33 PM, July 31st (Thursday)]
I wish my girlfriend would let everybody know who she is on here. She has posted many times with some very insightful responses to many posts and goes on SI every single day since our DDay when she found this site. It has helped both of us in our R. I think it would give her an outlet to ask questions that bother her about me since I know this always helps me when I come here. She is very different from me though and is very private in even in her anonymity here.
Most of the time I come here it is from her request to work on some issues that I screw up on.. like the arm around my shoulder thing and some others.
I know I have issues and I feel she does too but I think she has it way more together than I do and I'm proud of her and her life. She was a Valedictorian in High School and it went on from there. You might guess that I wasn't.
Yes.. the bottom line was another infraction of boundaries that I let go from a drunk and former Wayward herself with two young children with seemingly no boundaries of her own. I know she doesn't think anything would lead up to something between that girl and myself, but it was the non action from me more than what it could lead up to.
I don't have any ties and I know it was sarcastic, but you are right about the basic premise that I dress for tennis, golf, and my music with style and fit in mind and always have. I don't consider it flashy as much as stylish but it's always concocted I must admit. She on the other hand is always neat but very unconcerned with anything but comfort. She hates to get dressed up!
I will try to think more about my motives when getting ready to play next time.
I'm not sure about my guidelines for adoration and kibbles. What are other's guidelines? Like makeup for women and tight fitting clothes? Is dressing stylish considered egotistical? I could see that it could be for sure but who would buy all that nice stuff?
Thanks again and I am going to try and talk my girlfriend about revealing our relationship like many other couples here. I think it helps me understand the dynamics of their situations more clearly and I think it would do the same for us.