What is remorse? On a post the other day someone told me remorse is an action, not a feeling (at least that's how I interpreted it). Well I disagree. I think, like love, it is both an action and a feeling.
I think I am remorseful in my head, but I suck at being remorseful in action. My BH agrees (we discussed this very topic last night). I don't know why I am so horrible at showing remorse, and I plan to work on it in IC, but I was just wondering. What is remorse to you?
if you feel bad for what you did to them is it really: you feel bad for how they look at you for what you did to them?
remorse is how it affects them, not how it affects you. it is not I am ashamed of my actions, although this is important. It is more, I feel your pain from my actions.
When I was early on. I thought I had remorse. And then one day it hit me. I broke out in tears for my BS pain. I entered HER HELL. That was a remorseful moment.
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I agree... and IMO here's the "problem"
I think I am remorseful in my head, but I suck at being remorseful in action.
If you can't/won't put the remorse you feel into "action" how can your BS see it, feel it, believe it?
My WH struggles with putting his remorse into action and it has caused an immense issue for us (and quite a good deal of pain for me) He assures me he does feel remorse... but cannot show it... not in ways I can see it, feel it, believe it. So I am left with taking his word that he is remorseful (and that ain't working so well for me)
IMO putting your remorse into actions take a huge dose of humility... and from my experience humility isn't high on the list traits of many WSes... not mine anyway.
Remorse is definitely a process
I agree... it is something the WS has to learn, how to be humble and not feel they are being... a "doormat" IYKWIM
Humility is probably the number 1 ingredient to remorse. I am just not there. It seems that a WS really has to give up his/her own will.
This is hard!
tangledknot... I think a WS who looks at it this way would struggle immensely.
IMO a WS who has been given the chance to R (presuming R is what they want) can look upon this as a gift they give their BS... a change in mindset if you will. Not a 'giving up' of their own will but a shift in their priorities.
Without wanting to offend... I think most would agree that having an A is a selfish action, displaying humility is IMO a selfless action.
This is hard!
Never truer words were spoken!
[This message edited by Want To Wake Up at 4:09 PM, August 1st (Friday)]
I think it's a long time coming. My husband has apologized from the moment I found out. He has acted on and done every single thing I asked of him. I don't think he was ever in the "fog" that many have spoken of - or if he was, it was over long before I found out. he said he just feels relieved to be done with it and start fixing himself rather than knowing he's broken and indulging it. (he had several confessions to close friends during the A hoping the confession, or the friend, would be able to stop him... this gives me comfort for some reason, as though he knew all along how broken he was and wanted out)
But even so, nearly 2 months out, he still has moments where it's like it suddenly hits him what he's done, how much it hurts me. If anything, it seems to be getting so much worse as he realizes the magnitude.
It seems that a WS really has to give up his/her own will.
I'm not sure... I think it's more has to fully experience empathy, and that means opening yourself to a world of pain so much that you gasp for breath. And ideally, if both want R, the "will" of both will lock side-step into each other through that empathy.
"First the fall, and then the recovery from the fall, and both are the mercy of God." —Julian of Norwich
It's because I think you regret what you have done, but like Lark said, lack the empathy to truly demonstrate remorse. It's true that remorse is a process. Mine came in bits and pieces. But when it did, my BH had no question it was there. He could see and feel it, because I was feeling his pain and understanding it.
I seriously doubt that you are truly feeling remorse at this stage. Your BH has just had the rug pulled out from underneath him a second time due to your withholding vital information. Not more than 48 hours you have swung from wanting your M to being relieved and "excited" at the prospects of being single again.
SFN, I know that this isn't your quote but I want to use it to make the point that you do not need to stay M to have remorse. You can D and have humility and compassion and yes, even remorse for your actions. Having remorse has absolutely nothing to do with giving up your will. You make choices in your life. Many times those choices have consequences. I feel personally feel I would have given up much more of myself had I left BH and not worked on my issues. It's because I wanted to R that I put the work in to make myself a better person. I chose to stay in my M. I chose to work with my BH to R and heal together. At anytime I have had (and still do) the choice to leave or tell him "no" when he makes requests. I have never given up my will. I have no regrets. Does it suck sometimes? Sure. But I made that choice when I invited another man into my M.
You know who has had to give up a lot? My BH. And yours will to. He has had to swallow the biggest shit sandwich you can imagine. He is the one who has felt like a doormat at times and he is the one that has had to give up some pride. He has had to question himself because everything in his bones had told him to run and yet he stayed. And anyone that hasn't been through this themselves would have told him to run too. So, "giving up" a little freedom or biting my tongue long enough to actually see what his perspective is hardly amend like a fair trade, IMO.
I will add as well, the fact that you are "not focused on this question" and that you are posing the question on here "just for fun" just reiterates that you have a ways to go before you truly feel remorse.
It's not that I don't see my BHs pain or the destruction I caused. I see it. It's so awful I can barely function. But, still having a hard time keeping the defenses and prickles down.
For me as the BS, forgiveness was much the same way. Not long after Dday, I told him I had forgiven him. A couple of months later I realized I had not! And I had to be honest & tell him so. He said that as much as he'd wished I had, he completely understood & would understand if I never forgave him, but that he would live with it if I could find it in me to be even "content" to live with him. For me, that ties in with Remorse. He has learned to be humble & will be greatful for whatever level of R I can live with. Does that make sense?
Sometimes I'm not so great at putting my thoughts/feelings into words! That's when I wish you all could read my mind!😲 Heck....I don't even know what all these little smileys are "saying".. :duh
Your H wants to D, you will do anything to save it. He decides he may want to try R, you have feelings leaving your M or temptation to break NC.
You have remorse in your head, but can't put it into actions.
Let me rephrase it another way, closer to how he sees it:
You see your husband in terrible pain, but you can't make yourself do the one thing that might makes him feel a little better.
FWIW most newly minted BHs have trouble keep their head on straight much less what comes out of their mouths. What he says today could easily be the exact opposite tomorrow/next week. He is confused and by any measure he should be. His life as he knew just changed without him having a say in it.
It will take him time to regain his "center." I would hold off on having any deep conversations there is too much pain, fear and trying to mitigate those that are floating around right now to have any salient conversations.
There is such a thing as paralyzing shame. It stops you from doing what you "want" to do. Are you so ashamed you feel it better to knock your H down a peg that to learn to sit with your feelings ?
This goes much deeper than that and you are starting to see your defensiveness as not rational given the circumstances. The only way you are going to get to root of that is to travel a painful road. For some people remorse doesn't come naturally. It took months for my W to get there even though she was very sad, heart broken and cried to the point she vomited on more than once occasion.
I don't need an answer just trying to give you things to think about or even better explore with an IC.
DS 6, DD 12
Dday 8/31/11. EA/PA. Lied to for 3 years.
Every truth comes to light in a long enough timeline.
You agreed to try R because basically the OM bailed. You would have most likely continued on with the affair if he had not done so. So that's where you are now. As long as the OM is renting space in your mind and heart, you cannot feel remorse for the pain you caused hubby. You cannot truly love your husband while the OM is still a ghost in your attic.
[This message edited by ExWayward at 12:21 PM, August 4th (Monday)]
Ex WW cheated on me. I retaliated by becoming a cheating monster with numerous women.