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User Topic: Ferguson Missouri
tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 8:43 AM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Unless you live under a rock, you have probably seen the chaos that has enveloped our fine region. St. Louis is probably the largest small town in America. It is true that anyone you talk to probably has a mutual friend.
That being said the devise way this has all played out is upsetting. I live more than 30 minutes away from this township, but have friends, and colleagues who live right in the midst of it. The constant protests, the misrepresentation of what is really going on by the media, and the abuse of the LEO's has worn thin.

Right or wrong, guilty or innocent, I ask that you keep us in your minds, and send prayers and thoughts of peace for the family of the young man who lost his life, the LEO's, and the families that live in the middle of this who are having to explain to their small children why their quiet lives are full chaos, and why they can't go outside, or go to school.

Today the National Guard is coming in, hopefully bringing with it a new level of enforcement to calm the violence.
Please note that the looting, and destruction of property that you may have seen is not being committed by the residents, but thug opportunists that have come from other areas of town to take what isn't theirs.

(((and strength to the LEO's and people of Ferguson))))


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MovingUpward
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Default  Posted: 9:01 AM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Prayers for peace and resolution to all affected.


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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 9:20 AM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The whole situation reinforces the concept of providing for your own self-defense when the police are no longer willing to do so, especially considering that they do not have any legal obligation to do so.


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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 11:03 AM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

TR - The police have not been allowed to do so. They were basically told to stand down until it became so violent amongst the crowds that they had to react.

The National Guard is on it's way today, so that may change the tone of things.

I believe we are seeing history in the making.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 11:19 AM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Prayers for peace and resolution to all affected.
X2. As the mother of 2 black sons, I have a lot to say but will likely end up getting banned if I do. So, yes, prayers for peace & resolution.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope Ferguson, MO is a catalyst to change in this country when it comes to the police and black men. We shall see.


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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 11:58 AM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

TR - The police have not been allowed to do so. They were basically told to stand down until it became so violent amongst the crowds that they had to react.

To the citizen, it doesn't matter what the police were told. It matters that they don't show up to defend life and property (whatever the reason).

There are a lot of wake-up calls coming on this one, including police procedure with respect to the shooting, which is unlikely to have been justified.

The one I'm referring to is the wake-up call that (a) the police have no duty to protect you or your business and (b) you have that right yourself. So I'm referring primarily to the aftermath, not the incident (which appears to be deplorable).

We are still a long way from having all the facts.

Right or wrong, guilty or innocent, I ask that you keep us in your minds, and send prayers and thoughts of peace for the family of the young man who lost his life, the LEO's, and the families that live in the middle of this who are having to explain to their small children why their quiet lives are full chaos, and why they can't go outside, or go to school.

Will do!

[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 3:13 PM, August 18th (Monday)]


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SpecialK
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Default  Posted: 12:59 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My heart goes out to the friends and family of this young man. It's hard enough to lose a loved one because of their bad life choices, but when an innocent life is taken that's a bitter pill to swallow.

I pray for the officer because he'll have to live with his decision for the rest of his life. I have never taken another's life and can't imagine how it would change my life..

One thing that went through my mind after seeing the reports, is what about ALL the innocents bystanders that have been mowed down by non police personel? I deliver meals to a woman whose husband has been basically brain dead for 8 years,she has basically given up her life to care for him at home.They were coming home from church and a "member of a gang" saw his truck and thought it belonged to a rival gang and unloaded on it. The man tried to protect his wife (she was not shot) and was hit in the head. Now the perp is petitioning for a new trial! Where are the protesters for this senseless tragedy? The looters and attention whores are not helping the situation, and the media needs to stops giving them attention!!!


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h0peless
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Default  Posted: 1:36 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I fully understand that we as a society need police officers. I fully understand that the vast majority of them are certainly members of the profession for the right reasons. I respect the incredible sacrifices they make in order to maintain a civil society. That said...

As somebody who as a teenager had his nose broken by a police officer for doing nothing worse than being a passenger in a car that didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign, this has really given me pause. I wonder if the outcome that evening would have been even worse had my skin been a different color.

I've had a healthy distrust for the police since that incident. The guy had backup who just watched while his buddy smashed my face into the roof of his cruiser. As long as the "good" cops are willing to cover for the bad ones, there will be no good cops. The evidence suggests that this police officer murdered that young man. His department is covering for him and that's wrong.

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Jeaniegirl
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Default  Posted: 2:16 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My sympathies are with the young victim's family, not with the police officer. Too many times police officers are acting as judge, jury and executioner and it needs to stop. Now. I've seen too much of this as an attorney and feel police officers, with all their training, should never fire upon someone with arms raised in the air. There is too much immunity granted and officers given 'leave with pay' (read, vacation) for killing innocent people. Instead they should be indicted for Murder and put on trial. Maybe that is harsh to some of you but being in the legal system for 26 years I have seen too many dirty cops who act like they are playing a video game on the streets.

That being said, I feel a lot of the rioters are possibly not from Ferguson but perhaps arriving in town for loot and grab, which is horrible.

I hope peace prevails in that area soon.


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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 2:39 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((tushnurse)))

I can't imagine living in the midst of the chaos. I will certainly pray for peace and healing for the families and the community.

I have strong feelings for two separate reasons almost in conflict with myself. As a teacher, it is extremely frustrating to hear the blame that goes with the "bad cops" talk (like the "bad teachers" talk) that seems to crop up with these type of events is very hard. Cops and teachers are service careers, and it is my experience that most, the vast majority of the people in both are good people. So there is that side of me.

Then, as a teacher of young people in an alternative setting, (primarily teenage males) students who miss school for court, who are visited at school by the court counselors and their parole officers, I feel like I recognize "Michael Brown." I care for my students. I know that depending on what you meet them with, will greatly influence what you get from them.

I don't know what the answers are. I wish that the media would go away and stop fanning the flames. BUT, the light needs to be shined on the what is happening.

It is a stand off. Neither group can "win." At this point I can only see how everyone loses and that makes me very sad.

I will pray. I will pray for all, for peace and understanding.

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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 2:41 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Let's wait to find out the full story - there is a lot that isn't known yet and quite a bit not verified. The friend who was with him described him as being shot 'in the back' which so far does not appear to be true according to the autopsy.

Also, police officers are trained to shoot center mass, period. Seems a little strange that a 6'-4" individual with arms in the air would have his right arm shot at that height (way above center mass) several times, consistently. The first shot would have caused him to drop his arm, and it would be nearly impossible for four shots to hit his upraised arm. If he was shot four times in the right arm first, he would be unlikely to be able to raise that arm over his head, given the location of the wounds. Even more certain if they were hollow point rounds.

The other two wounds are consistent with Mr. Brown having his head pointed directly toward the line of fire (horizontally), which could be due to a number of factors:

(1) could have been falling down when shot
(2) could have been lying on the ground when shot
(3) could have been charging at the officers when shot

Ballistics will likely answer which of these is the case. Obviously (1) and (2) would argue for prompt prosecution of the LEO, although I think (2) to be quite unlikely. (3) would suggest evaluation of the need for the use of deadly force in the face of a threat. Those two wounds suggest that Mr. Brown may have been bent 90 degrees at the waist for the time it took to fire two shots. Try bending at the waist and at the same time raising your hands above your head. You can't.

Plus, he was high. Swisher Sweets are used to roll blunts. And he was a robbery suspect. Officer Wilson might not have known that ... but Michael Brown knew that. Those issues would likely have contributed to his actions.

The actual events matter.

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Default  Posted: 3:03 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

X2. As the mother of 2 black sons, I have a lot to say but will likely end up getting banned if I do. So, yes, prayers for peace & resolution.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope Ferguson, MO is a catalyst to change in this country when it comes to the police and black men. We shall see.

Ditto this (with one black son).
There needs to be a lot of change, but I also think a lot of change has to come from within our community as well.
Protest? Absolutely.
Looting? No.


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metamorphisis
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Default  Posted: 3:23 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It's a desperately sad and dangerous situation for sure. On the weekend I tried to get a sense of what really happened and was continuing to happen and realized through all the noise, speculation and media sensationalism that it's impossible. Some news outlets are directly contradicting others on key "facts". Mostly it just leaves me with my mouth hanging open wondering what the hell is going on. What I do know for sure is that I wish that boy weren't dead. It's senseless and heartbreaking.



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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 3:39 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

There needs to be a lot of change, but I also think a lot of change has to come from within our community as well.
Protest? Absolutely.
Looting? No.
Wholeheartedly agree.
officers given 'leave with pay' (read, vacation)
that can be attributed to the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the police union and the police department. They go on paid leave while the investigation is conducted.

[This message edited by MissesJai at 3:41 PM, August 18th (Monday)]


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Default  Posted: 3:47 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

That's because you are innocent until proven guilty.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 3:49 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

yes, police officers are definitely innocent until proven guilty and sometimes, even when guilty, they are still "proven" innocent. Too bad that same approach isn't applied to young black & brown men, but I digress.


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Default  Posted: 3:55 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

MissesJai, I totally agree with you.


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Default  Posted: 3:58 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

And I also totally agree with the statement about facts. But the main fact is once again an unarmed, young black kid is dead in the street.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 4:03 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

the main fact is once again an unarmed, young black kid is dead in the street.
Yep - once again and at the hands of law enforcement. Once again.


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Default  Posted: 4:21 PM, August 18th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have no idea what the answer is to any of this. I do know we have a big problem in this country when unarmed anyone gets shot. If this kid was just gunned down it should not go unpunished. There are no doubt some bad cops.

On the flip side, Last year, 100 law-enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty. On average, over the past decade, there have been 58,261 assaults against law enforcement each year. Every time I see a cop walking up to a car alone in the middle of the night I wonder, why anyone would go into law enforcement.


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