I do also agree that if I could I would discourage a future relationship with such unless they have found a better path with themselves and had approperiate tools in place to deal with issue.
Problem is of course we dont always find out until we're hooked.
Guys I can tell you this is one heck of a ride. I am hoping I can find some decent resolution soon. But since I can't flip to the back page, I'll have to do one day at a time.
It seems you are seeking an answer that does not exist. Enjoy what you do have as it is much more than I.
but for some of us, we just ended up with poor candidates because we weren't savvy enough to understand that severely broken people usually stay broken. You can't love them out of being dysfunctional.
Well, that was me. I knew she was troubled - but I thought if I just loved her enough, comforted and confided enough, that she would be able to be happy.
MC suspects that FWW was SAb, and has repressed memories. There have been some "fishy" stories of her childhood, her father was a WS and abandoned the family when FWW was 2, mom was depressed and took it out on FWW and her sister, so there was emotional abuse - and some of her mom's boyfriends may have sexually abused her - but nobody will fess-up.
My big indicator was - when we were dating, FWW was S from her first H. Until I found out she wasn't, really. So I broke up with her. She came back to me, and promised to leave him - but she didn't keep that promise, so I left her again. Somehow, he found out, and D'd her, and then she came back to me again. I KNEW she was a lying cheater, and I was egotistical enough to hope that it was his fault (like she said), and that she wouldn't cheat on me.
My kids will know: NEVER trust a cheater (or an abuser of any other type). Period. Don't waste any more time on a cheater after you find out. I hope they have enough sense to listen to me. I didn't listen to my parents though.
I don't think my XWW has the slightest clue of how it feels of her actions on the other foot. I think that capablity is totally beyond her... Its not just about her cheating, going out meeting strange guys, having orgies in her honor.
Its about my son, being dropped of by on of her friends Husbands (Both of who I never met in my life.) Knocking on random car windows asking if they were me to drop of my 15 month old son.
Something is SOOOO fucking wrong about that. Then get told they are picking my son up from that location at the end of the weekend, and when asked who they are getting told they are only the messenger!? Who does that?! You think on Gods green earth I would return my son to you?! Angry isn't the word...
Im so sick of this game playing, what the fuck is next shit. Where is my son at now game. Who are these people. Why do I havta run their licsense plate numbers to see who they belong to to get a phone number to ask why they have my son.
Course my XWW emails its no big deal.. Course its not a big deal to leave our son with random strangers, but they are her friends in some sort of way. Course our son has a raging double ear infection, and she had a vacation to go on...
Tonights case in point, I had him for 3 hours at my parents house, my XWW dropped him off right before I got there. His diaper was full, not just he needs a change full, more like he hadn't been changed for half a day. So bad the silcon part of the diaper had broken down and was spilling. Let alone the amount of poop.
I guess whatever... So I get my son all cleaned up with a quick bath. Had a great time with grandma and grandpa. So the 4 of us were sitting around the dinner table talking about life and such. I tell them about the long hours Im putting in trying to make ends meet with the child support im ordered to pay. My Dad pipes in about a report he read from the Dept of AG that the cost to raise a child from birth to 17 years old is $206,000 dollars. To which I say doing a little quick math in my head, whats XWW doing with the other $250,000. Now I never told my parents what I was paying in CS. My mom says what do you mean, and I told her that right now Im court ordered to pay $2300 a month. It kinda floored both of them, and my moms like hows that even possible?
My SO, the ever prepaired one put a copy of the Temp court judgement in the diaper bag, just in case my XWW pulled something when I was supposed to have my son. I pulled it out and let my Mom read it. It has copies of my 2002 and 2003 W2's and all. My mom turns to my dad and says she lied to us!
Turns out back then my XWW met with my parents claiming how bad off we were and her student loans were getting so far behind. That we were barely making it even with me working overtime. My parents decided to pay off all her student loans.
That fucking bitch... The more I learn the more I hate her, she played my whole family!
[This message edited by TwiceTorn at 12:22 AM, March 13th (Friday)]
311-You wouldn't believe. Great song and lyrics just fit for all of us..
I am 25, she is 29. We've been together for 5 years. She thinks she is bisexual, I've known this for a few years now, but never knew what to do about it.
A week ago I caught my SO in a huge web of lies that have been building for years. She had a PA with a co-worker, we are working on a reconciliation and I am trying to build my trust in her. We've talked about everything that we never talked about over the past 5 years almost non-stop this past week, and one sore point keeps creeping up. If we can get our relationship back to the point it needs to be at, and be in a good place, she is still going to feel urges to experience other women. She feels that she can control any urges to sleep with other men, but doesn't know if this will extend to women as well. We've talked it over and she feels that one way to handle this would be for me to find women online that want to join in a threesome with us.
I'm torn here. I know it is going to be quite some time before our relationship gets to the point where anything like this would happen, so I have a long time to contemplate this, but I want to know if anyone else has been faced with the situation I am in, what you did about it, how your relationship turned out, and how it made you feel.
Your not a tool in the shed she can just pull out, or have a fall back too. Think about yourself, what do you want? She has shown you who she really is, shes not gonna change, unless she puts the effort in.
Honestly, Run! Your not married, no tie downs. Move on to a better life without this shit. Every moment of indecision is counting against the rest of your life. Trust me their are women that will value you just the way you are.
There, you will read stories of lives that have directly been affected - stories of major damage.
You seem to be "bargaining" with the beast.
The only outcome I've seen is more destruction. Loss of integrity, soul, character, whatever you want to call it.
Uniting yourself with one who cannot control their desires is a recipe for erosion of your self.
You cannot play with this type of fire without getting burned.
Right now, you're thinking you can.
I suspect this because when you ask for an unbiased opinion, what you're really seeking is permission. 50 people will tell you to run - or at the very least, get IC.
I think you're waiting for the one who says; "Go for it, man!"
Don't mean to sound harsh, bro. Believe me, I know what it's like to hear stuff you don't want to hear, or that you just can't hear...we all get that.
I mean, if you really want to research it, you can probably find forums of people who have tried it, and come out of it...see what personal struggles they're having now.
But for sure, the beast you're bargaining with, that you're considering feeding?
Will eat you in the end.
If you haven't seen this yet (new bm's lol, etc...)
or haven't bet,
it's ten bucks (or more ) for a percentage-number.
Proceeds to help SI.
Winner gets braggin rights
"more fun and surprises"
So get the final bets in guys. Window's about to close!
you wanna get in on this before "the other window" (shhhhh!) opens...
So far, we got $230 from the BM of SI...(has a ring to it don't it? sort of a pong you might say...)
1. jj-10% ($20)
2. sportsfan -11%
3. wh5 - 12% ($20)
4. Finally -13%
5. tputer - 14% ($20)
6. LoLo -15%
7. Nvis Man -16%
9. Moo - 18%
10. Ser - 19%
11. TT -20% ($30)
12. Finally - 21%
13. Kuwaited – 23%($40)
14. Ready - 25%
15. t2g - 27%
Let's 'represent' to the mean-ole estrogen jungle out there!
My wife told me last night that I needed to worry about the karma coming my way because I haven't done the forgive/forget thing with xOM yet.
(Background: xOM was my best friend for 20 years, all the way back to high school. He fucked my wife for 2 years behind my back.)
I said, "You're worried about *my* karma?"
She said, "Yes. You're setting yourself up for a big fall by thinking you're so much better than he is."
I said, "Don't you have enough karma to worry about on your own?"
And she answered, "I already got my karma. I had an affair and suffered all the way through it."
After a bit more discussion, apparently in her book, me holding a grudge against the guy who fucked my wife is infinitely worse on the karma scale than infidelity.
I have to admit that I have absolutely nowhere to go with this. It's so chock full 'o stupid that I don't think it's worth even tackling.
Personally, I would ask her to go to the window and tell ya what color the sky is in her world! Course arguing with a child is futile on all attempts, and you know this.
No you don't havta forgive the OM, or even think hes an equal in any shape or form as you. I wonder what game shes playing now, saying such stuff!?
AHA !!! I have now seen this bet that you speak of.
PS They out gun us big time.
Sorry that this crap is still hanging around.
You have to let this go. You are playing by her rules and as we all know the rules of a WW make no sense whatsoever.
Case in point. My XW (our divorce was final this past Monday) had this to say about why we got divorced. Let me set the stage to highlight how out of touch WW's are. We just got divorced in front of the judge. We wanted to get certified copies of the decree so we had to wait a bit. We were sitting in the county cafeteria and she voluteers this thought.
"We got divorced because we just couldn't agree"
Agree about what? That fucking another married man would be good for our marriage? I was literally speechless but had enought sense to cut off the conversation by telling her that I did not want to talk about it. The capacity for these people to minimize the consequences of their actions and the devastation those actions bring is almost beyone belief. Just when I thought I had heard it all I am surprised again.
To be fair, I have to say that WW's have their own issues to deal with and most likely do the best they can. But that is the key. They only do the best THEY can. Why would you want to be so limited and live live on their terms?
The answer? You don't. Live life on your terms because once you are divorced you can open yourself to meeting someone who can function normally. Not live live with one (or more) hands tied behind their back.
Stay strong bro.
Is it stupid, or just delusional?
Never be afraid of the truth