The 180 is definitely what you need to do. It will lead you down a path of healing, no matter what happens with your M.
It might also snap your W out of the fog that she's in... but do it for your own healing.
The 180 is all about you. Getting a healthy you. Sometimes it is like a slap in the face for the WS and they come out of their fog and sometimes it makes no difference to them. Irregardless, YOU will feel better and that is what really matters.
My thoughts are that the 180 is suppose to let H know that I no longer care what he does, I am going on with my life..I still talk to him (about kids, finances, house) and usually answer very briefly....
In our last blow-up two weeks ago--we were yelling at each other and he got so mad at me for calling him all kinds of names, accusing him of not being sorry for what he's doing that when I asked if he was going to continue seeing OW--he said yes..
So..if he brings it up or wants to have sex (haven't done it since)..my very calm answer will be that he decided to continue his relationship with OW so there is nothing else to talk about or do...it doesn't matter what he does because he has decided that someone else is more important than me....
how can he argue with that? He said it...
Continue to be strong..if he never says anything to you than he obviously likes things the way they are..and you can make some more appropriate decisions from there for your life...I plan to....
Am trying, but it doesn't seem to work all too well. I love my hubby/we're both unemployed currently, which means we're both home 24/7. And as someone else said above, we are best friends, well, up until his betrayal of me with a stripper I suppose, 5 months ago, "seeing" her on the side, 3 yrs. going to the strip club! I think of this, then I think, is this what a best friend would even do to the other? NO! SIGH~ We do things together non-stop/enjoy each other's company, but then I worry as my husband spends some secret time on his phone/being gone with me not knowing where he is/then I sink.
HOW/in God's name does one do the 180 to someone you love? how does one "detach"? to someone you love more than anyone? HOW? HOW? Please give some concrete advice.
thanks for all the good posts and suggestions.
I FEEL I AM A TOTAL BLOCKHEAD, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE 180 FULLY IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE A BREAKDOWN!
keep the advice/perceptions coming....pretty please........
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good luck and keep trying!
I live with SO and its pretty much over, he is just unstable and he refuses to help me heal. He no longer cares about me i am pretty sure he is only living here because its free rent as I own the place. He genuinely blames me for not getting over it sooner, he gets that the A was his fault but thinks i am making a bad situation worse.
I am broken and hurt and my self esteem is absolutely rock bottom. so i need to 180 before i end up in a hospital.
How do i do that when i am living with him? and when he acts like he doesnt care how do i act like i am ok? the worst part for me is that he doesnt give a shit. How do i learn to not give a shit about him?
my heart is broken. I avoided relationships for this very issue - i refuse to put myself in another relationship ever again.
"The bee's are dying? Oh no! Now who will sting me and walk all over my sandwich's?" - Homer Simpson
My question is this, isn't that kinda childish? I mean if that's what it takes I'll do it. But I don't want my husband to tell me I'm acting like a child. Because if he does, which I'm sure he will I need a good comeback. I can't say Oh I'm doing the 180. He wouldn't understand.
So, how do you do the 180 while living with your SO?
Found out: Oct 2 2005
They say marriages are made in heaven.But so is thunder and lightning.
I'm pasting a post I made a while back: (it works for both confrontation and internal dialogue)
Setting Healthy Boundaries:
Healthy personal boundaries are a way to protect and take good care of ourselves. We all have a right and responsibility to protect our dignity and defend ourselves, and those boundaries let others know when their behaviour is not acceptable to us. It is important to assert our self respect and develop a healthy relationship with ourselves.
Setting these boundaries is an integral part of ensuring a healthy dynamic in a personal relationship. It is important to communicate these boundaries without blame to ensure the message is heard but still let them know how their behaviour is affecting us. A simple way to lay out these boundaries is to use a basic structure:
When you – a description of the behaviour that you find unacceptable. You want to make this as specific as possible and not rely on your perception of the behaviour but to be about the actual behaviour itself.
I feel – the impact the behaviour has on you. It is important to not let this define us but rather be an emotionally honest expression of our feelings.
I want – a description of the behaviour that it is you want from the other person.
If you – again a description of the behaviour that we find unacceoptable.
I will – a description of what steps you will take to protect yourself and that boundary if it is violated. Realise that you can only control yourself and not the other person. This part is not a form of punishment or manipulation but a way to protect yourself. The consequence should be realistic and within your power to enforce.
So an unhealthy boundary would be saying “You can’t go out any more”. This is quite visibly an aggressive means of manipulation and control and does nothing to create an environment of mutual respect or emotional connection. It will create an aura of defensiveness and possibly be looked upon as a challenge.
A healthier version would be “When you go out and do not let me know where you are I feel insecure and worry about what you are doing. I want to be with someone who is completely honest and transparent so that I can have complete trust in them. If you do not wish to respect my needs and be a partner in this marriage then realize I will maintain my dignity and self respect and re-evaluate my desire to stay in this relationship”. A statement such as this asserts your personal power over the situations you will allow yourself to be in. Strong, simple, and dignified.
Not only does the boundary have to be set, but we have to be willing to enforce them. It is not meant to be a threat or form of punishment – it is a consequence of the other person’s behaviour. The only way that we can do this is to judge that our own self worth is more important than the final outcome. Boundaries are a way to take ownership of our personal empowerment and avoid being a victim. They are a vital part of learning to communicate in a direct and honest way.
(This is a summary from http://www.joy2meu.com/Personal_Boundaries.htm)
[This message edited by SerJR at 7:03 AM, November 14th (Friday)]
I saw him again and he was fine, friendly and all.
Anyway, I emailed him today and blew the "180". said "hey there friend.". I wanted to let him know my daughter was okay since they have not talke to each other in a few days. We could both be dead for all he cares.
Anyway, he called and acted normal. But this is the part that kills me.
After I saw him last, I wanted to write him a letter asking why the tears, saying he's sorry, etc. But I am afraid and it is tearing me up inside. He did say he would always love me which I am sure he does but...he loves her more apparently.
I don't know if he is getting sentimental with the holidays coming or what.
When I asked him today what his plans were for the holidays, he said he had none and that it will be lonely over the holidays. I then said he has OW and he said yes I do. He did not mention anything about my plans with the our kids or his plans to come see them.
I had thought he might have been coming out of the "fog" but he is still the selfish ass he always had been.
I love this ass so much and I can't get him out of my head. I have tried and tried but I think about him constantly. It will be 6 months since DD and I am still feeling the same as one day out.
Should I write the letter asking what the reason was for the tears, hugs, kiss on cheek and apologizing again or do I let it go????
Please, I do need help on this one.
He live with the whore
I think that speaks volumes to his intent...
he wants to be "friends".
Because he couldn't possibly be a bad guy if you're still wanting to be his friend... in fact... he must be pretty damn terrific if you'll settle for that scrap...
He did say he would always love me
Wow... noble 'til the end, isn't he?
he said he had none and that it will be lonely over the holidays
The world can be hilariously cruel...
/ sarcasm off
I'm sorry... but right now he's only crying over himself. If he wanted to commit to the marriage you would know it. The games he's playing are too keep you guessing in hopes that he'll still be the most important thing in your life, and to soften you up to make things easier for him. I'm sorry to be so blunt about it.
I wouldn't bother with sending him the letter... it will just let him know that you're not willing to let go of the outcome and that he will be able to continue his behaviour without consequence.
Please think about what true love means to you and about what you really require regarding emotional needs. Know what you're worth and respect that.
Don't feel frustrated with yourself for what you perceive as a lack of progress in your healing... it takes time to do the job right. You are moving forward... just believe in yourself and try to keep the priority on taking care of you.
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[This message edited by solitario at 12:17 AM, November 20th (Thursday)]
You can do both... by making yourself (and therefore the marriage) attractive and the affair a bad place to be. Essentially, you can reach out with one hand and assert with the other:
Reach out with one hand:
-Make your home, yourself, and marriage inviting/attractive.
-Show self improvement in areas that could use work.
-Communicate calmly and act self assured.
-Offer forgiveness and understanding (but not blindly).
-Avoid any harmful communication, bad habits, or behaviours.
Assert with the other:
-Don't accept the blame for their choice.
-Expose the affair.
-Consult a lawyer for informational purposes.
-Protect the assets of the marriage.
-Do not shield them from the consequences of their actions.
-Lay out the boundaries and consequences.
Don't get so caught up in the details of the 180 list... take the understanding as a whole and apply it as it best fits to your situation... work with what your WS gives you to work with.
[This message edited by SerJR at 8:20 PM, February 20th (Friday)]
Last night was the worst and we were back to mentioning D. He doesn't want it and neither do I. I just can't live with him in his refusal to get help for his own head problems.
I think if I 180 he will probably think it's over, think I've given up, and then give up himself.
At the height of it all it was all panic talk-Yes, Yes, I'll do ANYTHING to make this work, I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again, I'll go to counseling, I'll do whatever it takes...and here we sit 2 months later. He wants to forget it, I should get over it, people go through worse things and still get on with their lives. Blah-de-freaking-dah! Same old same old.
Now it's "I" should go to counseling to fix me, to help "me" get over it. I am crazy and he drove me there!
I don't know what else to do. I really don't. I don't know if the 180 would wake him up shake him up or break us up... Where do you even begin? Can you 180 and try to R too?
[This message edited by Newtwood at 6:00 AM, November 25th (Tuesday)]
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what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another-Anatole France
You can take the elements of the 180 that are conducive to R and work it around to work for you. Essentially, you want to work with what your WH gives you.
Hold firm with your boundaries and continue to point out the consequences and put the responsibility back on him – sometimes they're just attempting to continue with sitting on the fence.
I would reply back with “So what are you going to do about this? I want to see changed behaviour over the long term. Although I’m willing to do a lot to save this marriage this lack of progress erodes my desire and ability to fight for it. One day I will have to think of me and our children ahead of it.” This refers to his actions and behaviours and reflects the truth about the situation and put everything nicely into context.