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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 11:13 AM, April 10th (Friday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Having parted with over 10 grand, I want breasts that are symmetrical!!! (Can't make up my mind how i feel right now!)

The bra had only been off for about 10days, what was going to happen after a couple of months?? I envisaged having one pert one and the other swinging down by my navel!


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
LookingforLove
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Default  Posted: 12:48 PM, April 10th (Friday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks Everyone for your input--
I am doing the 180 big time...
Not making his dinner plate or making his lunches, and no folding up his laundry and putting it away. Definitely, no sex! Since he works nights, we don't sleep together during the week. On the weekends, he normally falls asleep in the family room watching TV with our oldest and then comes to bed in the middle of the night...I never hear him cause I sleep like a log...I think with me doing the 180 which he is not currently liking he might just stay downstairs w/o me having to say a word...I will let you guys know how the weekend goes.
My youngest is 9 today and along with our oldest (19) we are taking him to his favorite restaurant..H is taking the boys and meeting me there today after I get off work..This should be an interesting dinner since we are not really talking but I will still try to make as fun for my youngest as possible...
I guess our status will be roommates until I can get it together financially...The only thing I will really miss is the sex..which has only been a physical need for me lately...
Thanks Again for your support....


Me: BS
Him: WS LTA 6+ yrs
OW: Skank Company HO
Status:
Divorce filed 4-5-11
WH served on 4-6-11 with D papers and NC order.
Divorced: 4/20/12

Posts: 1114 | Registered: Sep 2006 | From: Washington State
hurtshirley
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Default  Posted: 2:19 PM, April 10th (Friday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Looking - I can offer some advice on the roomates w/o benefits thing. After his confession, I kicked him out of the house. He was in an "executive suite" hotel for 5 months. As I still had not decided where we were going and the damn hotel was ridiculously expensive, I let him move back BUT he lived in the spare room over the garage. It has a bed and a bathroom but is not the comfiest of places as we normally use it as a gym. I had very firm rules around his presence in the home and I let the kids know (15, 13 and 8) that Daddy and I were working some things out but, in the meantime, he stays in the garage, he can eat with us for dinner (more for the kids than anything) and he is not allowed upstairs in the home without permission. I did not do his laundry at all (no washing, no folding, wouldn't even take his shirts to the cleaner) - almost 20 months out and I STILL do not do his laundry.

If he wanted to have dinner with the kids and me, it was as an invited guest and, as such, he was expected to bring a small token gift and help clean after.

He took the older girls to school in the morning and would bring me a latte. Basically, he lived under our roof but on my rules. If he didn't like them - hasta la vista baby.

It worked wonders. After a lifetime of watching me do everything and just P/A doing nothing he does as much if not more than I do.

Good luck this weekend.


"Forgiveness is the grace by which you enable the other person to get up, and get up with dignity, to begin anew" Desmond Tutu

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So Lost
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Default  Posted: 8:15 PM, April 10th (Friday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wow. Welcome those who are new, I am sorry you're here.

Looking, I think you need to be super clear about what you want. Maybe financially you can't have separate homes right this second, but you can make things separate. Like HS said. It must be incredibly difficult, but it seems that in times of heartache and difficulty we seem to find our inner strength.

(((UKGirl))) I'm sorry things are not going as perfectly as you wanted as far as surgery. Give it time. Having had back surgery one year ago I can tell you, it takes atleast a full year to truly recover.

I have been to counseling twice this week adn still feel as if I might have a nervous breakdown. H has been pretty good though. After today he has agreed to check blood sugar at 5 am every morning so we know i he needs to get up adn eat. That is a big step for him, so I am thankfully he readily agreed to do it.

I m struggling with everything and I think it is fueled by sleep deprivation. The MCs both think I have some PTSD form the ambulance call and think I am just recovering from a very traumatic event and need time. We talked a lot about what H can do to make things easier and he seems willing. We are just not close though. Do nothing together unless I suggest it, no sex, slight cuddly like maybe a hand hold during tv and a kiss hello, goodbye and goodnight. I need to recover a bit more and then have along talk with him about this all.


Me: BS
Wh: WS
Dday 10/28/07
LTA with coworker
Attempting Reconciliation
he is remorseful, I am willing, we'll see what happens

Posts: 671 | Registered: Oct 2007
iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 7:34 PM, April 11th (Saturday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

its me venting again..sorry...i just posted in general why don't they let us do titles in all caps......?

i really hate my husband, he's a total asshole and a half......or maybe a dickhead.....or just an idiot...or just really stupid....

OR MAYBE HE IS ALL OF THE ABOVE......

i hope everyone else is having a better day than i,

i also hope all of you wonderful people have a wonderful holdiay or at least a peaceful one...something tells me that i will be here again......it really has become a new kind of therapy for me.....thank you all and i'm sorry...


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

Posts: 5994 | Registered: Feb 2009 | From: looking for my rainbow
iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 7:34 PM, April 11th (Saturday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

its me venting again..sorry...i just posted in general why don't they let us do titles in all caps......?

i really hate my husband, he's a total asshole and a half......or maybe a dickhead.....or just an idiot...or just really stupid....

OR MAYBE HE IS ALL OF THE ABOVE......

i hope everyone else is having a better day than i,

i also hope all of you wonderful people have a wonderful holdiay or at least a peaceful one...something tells me that i will be here again......it really has become a new kind of therapy for me.....thank you all and i'm sorry...


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

Posts: 5994 | Registered: Feb 2009 | From: looking for my rainbow
Lost Heart2
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Default  Posted: 4:21 AM, April 12th (Sunday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

SoLost,
Has your IC given you any suggestions on how you could manage the PTSD. I know I go on about EMDR and tapping, but I have been reading about Seemorg Matrix therapy (A.I.T) since yesterday (thanks BT ), and it seems equally good, if not better. Maybe something to speak to your IC about? I know it would be wonderful if our H stepped up to the plate and gave us what we want/need when we want/need it, but unfort not of all of them are like that (for various reasons) and we should rather focus our energy on how to best help our selves, KWIM?
If your H (like mine) can barely help himself, it would be even more challenging for him to look out for you. That sucks, I know, but it is what it is at this time.

((((((SoLost)))))

****

Miracle,
What happened? Of course your H (like all of ours here) is

a total asshole and a half......or maybe a dickhead.....or just an idiot...or just really stupid....OR MAYBE HE IS ALL OF THE ABOVE......
,
we wouldnt even have heard of SI if they werent.

So do you want to talk about it? Sometimes a good old fashioned let em rip vent is quite carthartic too.


LTA BS

Dday#1 02.06.06
Dday#2 28.11.06


Mind what you love. Mind how you are loved.


Posts: 471 | Registered: Nov 2008 | From: London, UK
So Lost
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Default  Posted: 1:52 PM, April 12th (Sunday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

All right, Miracle, give us some specifics so we can get mad right along with you!

LH, mostly it's time thing. His health is a very real risk (is that the right word ?) in our life, and also being extremely specific about what I need. SO he now wakes up at5 am adn checks his sugar every day, which has been a huge help in my sleeping. During the A I asked him to do that and he said no, no discussion or anything. this time he readily agreed if it woudl make me feel better. I'll have to read on some of the other stuff to see what it all means.

H joined facebook last night. He hasn't told me. Not sure what to think. He only looked for a guy form his online game that has emailed him several times with his facebook address telling him to come and talk. So that was no big deal for me. And the a girl at work. She is a platonic friend that I know pretty well and was okay with. I have found her on facebook but he didn't, and really it didn't seem that he looked very hard.

H made some home brewed beer and several days ago asked if it was okay if he stayed late at work Sat to let that particular girl adn a couple others try it. It seemed valid. He was literally home at his normal time. They went right out, drank it in the parking lot and he came home. I suspect they talked about facebook then and did one of those "You should join it, it's cool, etc". I have had many people say that to me. I'm just wondering if he is going to mention it and how far I should let it go before I say something.

I am emotionally just raw and sore and sad. I need a private vacation to just heal for a bit, but we all know mom's never get a vacation.


Me: BS
Wh: WS
Dday 10/28/07
LTA with coworker
Attempting Reconciliation
he is remorseful, I am willing, we'll see what happens

Posts: 671 | Registered: Oct 2007
Lost Heart2
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Default  Posted: 2:12 PM, April 12th (Sunday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hey SoLost,
Your H needs to look out for his health for HIMSELF. He is NOT doing you a favour; you are NOT responsible for him.
You mentioned the beer and facebook, so its obviously bugging you (as it would me).
He comes to you for permission (please mum? ) - on one hand, you dont want to say no cos then you feel bad and he gets all morose; on the other hand, you say yes, he skips along whilst it burns inside you.
I wish your H would look out for himself and as importantly, look out for you.
But he cant or wont...I dont know him.

So you, me dear friend, are going to have to pull up and look out for yourself. Yes, mums dont get a break, but you know what, the world doesnt ground to a standstill if we take a break for ourselves. Believe me...I have tried.

How about you cut yourself some slack, can you get away for a few days, the weekend? Just take some time out before you implode. Hey, if you dont have any idea on how to relax by your self, I am sure the Tribe can help out!


LTA BS

Dday#1 02.06.06
Dday#2 28.11.06


Mind what you love. Mind how you are loved.


Posts: 471 | Registered: Nov 2008 | From: London, UK
So Lost
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Default  Posted: 6:17 PM, April 12th (Sunday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think I was a bit misleading on some things, or they came off the wrong way. he has taken much better care of himself and this episode was definitely not from his lack of care. Just part of the disease unfortunately. The checking his sugar at 5 am is for his health...but he is choosing to do it b/c I am having such a hard time sleeping, and he wants to make it easier for me. I have plenty to convict him for, I don't need to add more. lol

I don't mind the beer. I honestly didn't the mind his staying after work briefly to share it. I really was just trying to explain who he looked up on facebook. It was very innocent. So far. I don't know if he even knows that ow is on facebook. She is. And I think it is something he should tell me about. That he started an account on there. It was a chaotic Eater, so there wasn't much time to tell me today. We'll see what happens. He clearly has issues with crossing the line adn I think facebook is a breeding ground for that.

I do need to take care of myslf. The stress is immense. And all the affair crap oesn't help with it. Especially our current lack of intimacy. Even my MC was like, geez, you gys always have excitement. We just need alittle stability for a while so I can get my feet under me.


Me: BS
Wh: WS
Dday 10/28/07
LTA with coworker
Attempting Reconciliation
he is remorseful, I am willing, we'll see what happens

Posts: 671 | Registered: Oct 2007
UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 5:26 AM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just checking in before checking out to go down south for a few days to see 4xM friend. Things have not been good - again. Still nothing from FWH about anything, esp the writing. Not much he can say when he had already said it was about the A, he can hardly say it was not now, seeing as it was written 2yrs before he hooked up with MOW. Just taking yet another step to be further removed and watching his body language. I just wish, wish, wish he'd stop fucking lying about it all.

SoL, hugs sweetie. Try to do something for you. It must now be all about him.

Miracle, vent away. Let it out, it can be very cathartic.

LostH, you're always saying to cut some slack. Now cut some for yourself!

Right, I'm off.


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
Feeling so alone
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Default  Posted: 8:39 AM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It's been quite a while since I posted or even lurked. But I'm back on a roller coaster again. BLAH

My Dad has recently been diagnosed with lung cancer and he is in real bad shape. My mom is suffering with some type of dementia or whatever, haven't been able to get her to the Dr as of yet. She can't admit to herself that she needs help. Dad is really really bad, I just don't know how long he can make it, and I know that Mom will just go downhill if Dad does not survive. And I have only one sibling and he is of no account, so this is all in my lap, which I take freely.

That being said, this has brought me back down concerning the LTA.

I am watching two people that I love very much suffer terribly. My Dad is a very kind and gentle person who would never hurt anyone. It makes me mad to see him suffer. It makes me mad that my H who has caused soooo much pain......It just doesn't seem fair. I don't mean to imply that I wish my H was the one dying. I don't quite know what I mean.

Yes, I'm definitely back on a full fledged roller coaster. It makes me question if I will ever be fully healed. March 22nd was the 3 year antiversary. I'm not the same as I was 3 years ago, but I'm also not the same as I was before Dday.

Sorry to post such a downer, crazy post. I just needed to spew some of this out.

FSA


Together we're working through an LTA

If a man says something in the woods and there's not a woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?


Posts: 1357 | Registered: May 2007
forgivenotforget
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Default  Posted: 9:46 AM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

FSA - Sending you love and hugs as you go through this difficult time. I am so sorry to hear about your Dad and Mom. Life does seem so unfair. I'm sure everyone of us can relate to how you are feeling right now.
I have a funeral to go to this week. My cousin's H died suddenly this week and unlike my own H, he was a good and loving H and father. I don't wish my H any harm, but there does seem to be an unfairness when we see those who cause so much pain to others seeming to get away with little or no consequences. I know and trust that there must be some reason for this, but I can certainly understand what you are feeling.
I have been MIA also lately and I have to say I am so sorry to see so many new members. It seems like there is an epidemic of infidelity and worst of all, for those of us who are in this LTA category, the grief and pain never fully goes away. So sad to think that these LTA FWS's were so careless with the feelings and well being of those they are supposed to love and protect.
My hugs to all new members and to my old friends.


D-day - 12/23/05 LTA - 8 years.
"Love's a matter of trust and I just want to believe in us." M McBride

Posts: 1901 | Registered: Jun 2006 | From: A tunnel where I'm beginning to see the light
LookingforLove
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Default  Posted: 10:37 AM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Good mornin All,
Just checking in. The last 4 days have been a rollercoaster.
H was asking me questions replacing the carpet--something I said that I was gonna do in the summer. Why now? When I am trying to 180. I believe he wants to get his footing again--make sure that I am still looking at a future with him..
We went to go visit some friends on Saturday--the plans were made a few weeks ago and they were cooking for us. So I went. It kind of reminded me of what we used to be-being around old friends who have no clue whats going on..I don't know why I went-maybe it was to experience normal again..
H was very loving but at the same time I can see that he is a manipulative and controlling person..everything on his terms...why do I continue to fall for this crap??

FSA--I can relate. I have been on this rollercoaster for 3+ years and feel like I will never get off. And I am still dealing with OW..

Lost--I can relate to the not telling..As long as they don't tell you they can say that they didn't lie..I call it lie by omission...

Miracle--I seem to hate my H everyday..he has no clue about the damage he's done or he sees it but doesn't care..

I keep wondering why I am such a needy, fearful person--that's the only reason I can think of for why I can't seem to let go

HUGS TO ALL!!


Me: BS
Him: WS LTA 6+ yrs
OW: Skank Company HO
Status:
Divorce filed 4-5-11
WH served on 4-6-11 with D papers and NC order.
Divorced: 4/20/12

Posts: 1114 | Registered: Sep 2006 | From: Washington State
25wimsey
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Default  Posted: 10:43 AM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

fsa, so sorry about your folks--it's so hard to see one's parents suffering, to care for them in their illnesses, and then deal with the loss that follows someday. I miss both by parents, but especially miss my mom terribly, every day. Hugs to you.

fnf, it's so true, the grief and pain will always be there for us. Almost 4 years out, have a M which is pretty good day to day but not what I'd expected pre-infidelity or wished for post-dday. But it's the M I have.

For what it's worth, since we have an OC and all the heartache and exposure that entails, my H isn't getting off with no consequences--in fact he's probably more changed and depressed than I am/was--with no relief in sight since on OC is forever. But even though he's not off scot-free, it doesn't change my own internal struggles and changes. LTA and infidelity just changes us, and I think there will be some bit of a roller coaster forever.

Just sorry that it rears up again during such a tough time for you fsa.


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Feeling so alone
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Default  Posted: 11:32 AM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks ladies. Sometimes I just need a shoulder to cry on.

I seem to hate my H everyday..he has no clue about the damage he's done or he sees it but doesn't care..
Looking, I have to thank you for saying that. I've wanted to say that for a long time but couldn't bring myself to do it. I am ashamed of myself for feeling that way towards my H. Makes me feel somewhat better to know that I'm not the only one.

FSA


Together we're working through an LTA

If a man says something in the woods and there's not a woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?


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Whatnow28
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Default  Posted: 4:51 PM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Haven't caught up....just in a bit of a panic & wanted to share.

Just read OW#1's myspace and looks like she wants to move to my hometown. It's a small town- we would probably run into each other daily or weekly picking up kids at the school, daycare, baseball/basketball games. OMG. I wanted my happy family to be able to move on- not have the f'in drama haunt me everyday. Sorry....had to share somewhere. I'm panicking.


ME: BW, 30 H: WH, 30 2 little boys

D-day 3/4/08 Whole "truth" from OW 3/12/08
Ow#1, 6 months PA
Ow#2, 2 years PA & EA

"It takes 3 seconds to say "I love you", 3 hours to explain it, & a lifetime to prove it".


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Default  Posted: 9:14 PM, April 14th (Tuesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

fsa....much ((((HUGS)))) and prayers for your parents...

for the rest of you wonderful people....(((HUGS)))for all the pain our spouse seem to cause.....

i want us all to have a miracle.....feeling a little under today.....just wanted to wish all well....


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

Posts: 5994 | Registered: Feb 2009 | From: looking for my rainbow
lovinlife
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Default  Posted: 6:50 AM, April 15th (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((((LTA group)))))

Wow.... always alot going on in here. I am so sad to see so many newbies and even more sad to see so many still hurting.

In talking to UKGirl, she said that I need to stop in more often and so here I am.

I have just been busy living life! My H and I spend an incredible amount of time together, especially on the weekends. Add to that spending time with the kids and taking care of my almost 90 yr. old Dad, life is busy! I am happy and content, other than the usual worries for my kids and then my Dad. My Dad really struggles with me and H being gone so much. I have been his caregiver for SOOOOO long, but I have tried to explain why it's necessary and he just doesn't get it! I have 3 siblings and they try to help, but my Dad only wants me!

H and I went camping over Easter weekend and had such a good time! I am looking forward to summer and lots of camping! We already have quite a few trips scheduled and then there will be times we will just pick up and go.

I know that I shouldn't feel bad because our relationship is slowly and surely making it, but it is hard knowing that there are so many that still struggle. I just have to say though... life is good!

Keeping you all in my thoughts and prayers, and praying hard that healing will find each and everyone!

Lovin

UKGirl.... don't worry about the lopsidedness cause you were right.... it's so much better than both hanging to the knees.... this I know!!


Together more than half our lives.

I am woman, hear me ROAR!!
What you accept, you teach!

Me 53, WS 54
Reconciled for life!
DD 24, DS 27


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hurtshirley
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Default  Posted: 7:43 AM, April 15th (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Having parted with over 10 grand, I want breasts that are symmetrical!!!

Shit! If I had paid that much I would want them to be symmetrical AND carry a tune!!!! BTW, we are still waiting for before and after pics.

So Lost -

H joined facebook last night. He hasn't told me. Not sure what to think

H made some home brewed beer and several days ago asked if it was okay if he stayed late at work Sat to let that particular girl adn a couple others try it. It seemed valid.

I am sorry but I don't like either of these statements. The facebook thing may be innocent, for now, but if you read around this site, that is, unfortunately, where much infidelity begins. Hopefully, he has told you about it and you have full access with his approval.

Also, the beer thing, again, sounds innocent but my H is not allowed ANY social interaction with women he works with outside of required business dinners (and even then I bitch about it! ). I wouldn't bend over backward to make him happy on this front.

The MCs both think I have some PTSD form the ambulance call and think I am just recovering from a very traumatic event and need time.

This is, no doubt, true and it is probably compounded the PTSD from dday. I know I still react badly to loud noises etc so I am sure this has really thrown you for a loop. Can you take some time for yourself? You don't have to go away. Just take one day that is only for you and do what makes you happy.

LostH2 -

Your H needs to look out for his health for HIMSELF. He is NOT doing you a favour; you are NOT responsible for him.

Just sayin' .....

But, really, how is your H doing? Is his mood better? Is he being more civil to you?

FSA - sorry to hear about your parents. It really brings life into focus when someone you love starts that final struggle.

Yes, I'm definitely back on a full fledged roller coaster. It makes me question if I will ever be fully healed. March 22nd was the 3 year antiversary. I'm not the same as I was 3 years ago, but I'm also not the same as I was before Dday.

You know, I am just starting to realize that I am a very changed person. Almost as if I had been physically maimed in some way. It is all inside where it doesn't show (except when I have been crying too much and have to wear sunglasses to cover the puffy eyes) but it is a permanently maiming that has left me disabled in some way.

I have been spending a lot of time in other areas of this forum lately (general, recon, F&G) and I am coming to realize that those who are fully reconciled, in general, are dealing with much different circumstances than us folks here in LTA. The lies, the deception, the gaslighting, the blameshifting, the re-writing of marital history, the extent of their brokeness that allowed them to do this, the work it takes for them to recover....all of it is just on such a bigger scale. I am beginning to believe that fully recovery of the marriage and my soul will just not happen. I will live. I will continue to enjoy much of my life. But a part of me that was very important is gone and will never be back.

FNF- sorry to hear about your loss as well. Seems like there is so much loss everywhere right now. It is supposed to be spring...where is the rebirth?

How is your sister doing? I have been thinking of her.

25W -

fnf, it's so true, the grief and pain will always be there for us. Almost 4 years out, have a M which is pretty good day to day but not what I'd expected pre-infidelity or wished for post-dday. But it's the M I have.


sorry to hear that what I wrote above was not completely off base.

Whatnow -

Just read OW#1's myspace and looks like she wants to move to my hometown

Oh crap!!! Does your H know?

Lovin' - thanks for stopping in with a bright note for us all....looks like we need it!!!


"Forgiveness is the grace by which you enable the other person to get up, and get up with dignity, to begin anew" Desmond Tutu

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