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User Topic: Spouses/Partners of Sex Addicts II
NaiveAgain
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Default  Posted: 10:01 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

JustWow---I know I'm not in a healthy place right now. I have been having lots of panic attacks where my heart is overbeating or skipping a beat, and I can't stop shaking. I cry easy. I know they are stupid movies--it isn't real people, but it feels like d-day all over again. (PTSD?)

I think it is the trust, that he lied and lied and lied, and he started the movies just 3 weeks after d-day and me telling him how hurt I was, and him telling me he would never do it again, because he saw how hurt I was. And I just got the cable bill today, and some of the names of those awful movies--and some he watched twice. And he just told me on the phone that he didn't even watch most of them all the way thru--what a way to waste our hard-earned money and what a way to hurt me some more.

And he has always hated Jerry Springer--said it was too trashy, and he was watching Springer topless. Again, he is two totally different people to me.

I thought I was doing good last week. I was detaching pretty well, and almost ready for the anullment when he talked about it. Then we had a good couple days, he helped me rescue a kitty from a dumpster and supported me on that, he cheered my DD up when the kitty died (too much internal damage ), and I am in love again.

I decided I am not going to check up on his cable bills and phone bill that he is holding for me. Why should I? If he knows I am checking, he won't do it there, he will find another outlet. I have 0% trust in him.

My IC told me to pay attention to my body. She said panic attacks are a way the body is telling you there is danger. I went into panic when I started my trip to fly down there. Then I get there, and there is that awful porn phone, and his new checking account, and he wasn't wearing his ring because one of the diamonds fell out and he was afraid of losing it, and it is just too much for me, I felt further away from him than ever, and felt like he was distancing himself, but apparently he didn't feel that.

I really think I need to jump ship and save myself, but it is so hard, I also see the vulnerable side of him, and he is so lonely down there, no friends or family, just his porn to keep him company.

Sorry all--I'm needing a lot of thread space today! Bad day.


Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

Posts: 14915 | Registered: Aug 2008 | From: Ohio
JustWow
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Default  Posted: 10:01 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think it is a control thing.


I am pretty certain it is. But heaven forbid I do the same to him!

This is a place for a boundary, ladies. If you are in the mood for advances from him, go for it. If you are not, but you say to yourself "Hells bells, not what I had in mind but who knows when he's ever going to be in the mood again - so what the heck" you are betraying yourself.

If your not in the mood because you don't feel safe, don't let yourself be used as his sexual outlet. If you're fooling yourself into believing that by never turning him down, maybe he'll want you more, well, how's that been working for you.

It made me feel like I was being used when I did this. And I was. And I was allowing it. Further, it helped H with the lie he told himself that our sex life was normal. None of these are good things.

I'm gonna pull a quote from a pm 7yrs sent me about healthy attachmet in a relationship, I hope she doesn't mind but it is very helpful, I think:

To the extent I know you, I can trust you. To the extent I can trust you, I can rely on (be vulnerable with) you. To the extent I can rely on you, I can commit to you. To the extent I can commit to you, I can be intimate (sexual) with you."

The text book says it this way: "The level of each bonding process, however, must be kept in balance with the others in order to insure a healthy attachment. This balance is maintained by a simple rule:
The level of one bonding process should never exceed the level of the previous. ...therefore, the level at which one knows his/her partner establishes the maximum level of earned trust, which establishes the maximum level of safe reliance, which establishes the maximum level of healthy commitment, which establishes the maximum level of appropriate sexual involvement. In other words, the degree of sexual involvement should not exceed the degree of commitment, which should not exceed the degree of reliance, which should not exceed the degree of development in your trust picture, which should not exceed the degree of what you accurately know about the partner."

If he's not sober. You can't trust him yet. Right? You put your boundaries in place to help YOU be healthy. You cannot control him, only you. Decide your boundaries, hold YOURSELF to them, and let go of the outcome.

(((((((Huge Hugs, Ladies)))))))


BW - Reconciling

edited for typos (I always have to!)


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grownup
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Default  Posted: 10:32 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((brokenmom)) (((naive again)))

(just wow) how do you have such a great memory for being able to go back to find these profound statments?! Half the time these days I lose my coffee cup around the house four or five times a day.


Me:44
Him:44 SA
Married:14 years
D-day: too many, final Nov 8, 2008
Separating ,he's on the run

Posts: 153 | Registered: Jan 2009 | From: alberta
JustWow
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Default  Posted: 10:52 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

grown-up -

only 5 times a day, huh? Pretty impressive.


BW - Reconciling

edited for typos (I always have to!)


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Eternaloptimist
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Default  Posted: 10:56 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

brokenmom,

I'm sorry you had such a miserable night.

You don't love your husband but the idea of who he could be or who you thought he was. You're in love with a fantasy and I suspect that time will make that clearer.

I think a lot of us think/hope that, because of husband's have done something so awful, we don't have to go through the grief. We can skip straight from anger to healing. Unfortunately, whatever path you're on (R or D), we need to process all the feelings that up -- the loss, the confusion, the grief, the anger -- in no particular order. My IC describes the negative stuff like the cork in a bottle. You need to pull out the cork before you can access the good feelings that still exist down below.

JustWow -- your comment about the impossibility of working on R with an addict -- no different than an alcoholic or heroin addict -- is a really good point. I think sometimes we all -- especially the addict -- convince ourselves it's not as serious because it doesn't seem to "impair" them the same way. But that's only because we can't see what's going on in their brain. I think it's an easier addiction to hide and dismiss...but no less potent.

Grownup,
Glad the phone thing worked out. His temper indicates that obviously this is getting to him. You handled it well.

Birdwatch and everyone else,
Hope you're all doing okay today.

EO


Me: BS
Him: WS, SA
Married: 12 years
Three kids: 9-year-old D, 7-year-old S, 5-year-old D
D-Day #1: December 11, 2006 (LTA)
D-Day #2: June 17, 2007 (found out about SA)

Posts: 656 | Registered: Jun 2007 | From: Toronto
NaiveAgain
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Default  Posted: 11:40 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I just did a really dumb thing. I couldn't take it anymore, and I called him up in the middle of his sleep cycle, crying like a baby, telling him that I can't believe he was watching all this stuff while telling me he wouldn't do it again. He watched 3 movies in a row on one of the days I left to fly home.

I am sobbing and sobbing and he got really mad, at me for waking him up, and for not letting this stuff go when he admitted he had a problem and was working on it, and I told him again that he needs help with his addiction, you can't cure it alone, and he said I like to feel sorry for myself, and what is the point, after he poured his heart out last week and it didn't do any good, because I am waking him up in the middle of his sleep.

Oops. I just totally lost control. I don't usually do that. I cried that apparently he would rather have all these naked girls around him than me, and I was taking it so personal (and I have been doing pretty good not taking it personal), I really am a mess. I cried and cried, and he told me I remembered something wrong, and I told him no, then he called me a liar, and I kind of yelled "Don't you dare call me a liar---you are the king of liars", it was not a good call.

Then he told me that I am so not worth all this, and he hung up. Then I called him back and told him that wasn't nice, and he said "You call me up in the middle of my night to yell at me and make me feel bad, what do you expect, you are never going to get past this, I am trying so hard and you just won't work with me." And instead of apologizing all over myself this time, I kind of held my ground, and said I was sorry for waking him up, but I was hurting so bad, and I needed him to know how bad this stuff hurts me, and I just can't deal with all this right now, and I cried some more and told him I have to go now.

Then I went in the bathroom and howled like someone who just lost their best friend. Bad bad day for me. But, my panic attack is gone--my heart is beating more regularly.

[This message edited by NaiveAgain at 11:44 AM, February 9th (Monday)]


Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

Posts: 14915 | Registered: Aug 2008 | From: Ohio
JustWow
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Default  Posted: 11:49 AM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

NA, honey, I feel so bad for you.

Did all of this go down after he said this on 2/2?:

I'm not sure what is going to happen yet, he did say if I catch him in one more thing, he will seek outside help, but right now, wants to work on things himself for a bit.


Cuz if it did, time to hold him accountable to his words.

Oh, sweetie, you need some deachment ad boundaries with him, specially until he gets sober and in treatment, or you are just going to lather, rinse and repeat this with him He can't cycle thru it with you if you detach.


(((((((NA))))))


BW - Reconciling

edited for typos (I always have to!)


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birdwatch
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Default  Posted: 12:24 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

NaiveAgain,

Oh dear, I am heartbroken to hear you are suffering so much.

First, be gentle with yourself. I am almost one year out D Day and I had a severe anxiety attack on Friday; so you are not going crazy or regressing in your healing. You have been betrayed and hurt. You are entitled to your feelings. If you have consulted your doctor and have anxiety medication, take it as instructed. When you had an attack next time, try to think "I have had this before, so I KNOW this too shall pass. In the meantime, I will respect and recognize, and not hide from, my feelings." It does work - I promise you.

There will be a time to support your husband with his recovery and rebuild the relationship, if that's what both of you want. Right now, right this moment, switch to what I call "Survival Mode". Whenever I feel out of control, I consciously switch to Survival Mode. I literally run through a checklist in my mind, have I taken medication? Have I eaten and drank water in the last 4 hours? Have I slept? Have I taken a hot shower or bath? Have I made a counselling appointment?

It is not realistic or healthy during this time to worry about your husband's recovery or your relationship. You have to take care of yoruself.

Finally, as to your unpleasant conversation with your husband - It was not dumb to have called him. He has hurt you and you should be able to look for him to support. He is not a baby. He can be woken up and still lives. If he is not willing to recover and support you, you will have to decide whether you wish to stay in the marriage - but not today. You do not have to deal with the conversation right this moment - The conversation had been conducted and ended for now. Step back, be gentle with yourself, and focus on you.

Please post any time. You are a very strong woman and you are not dumb.

Love,
birdwatch

[This message edited by birdwatch at 12:29 PM, February 9th (Monday)]


* Known WS since 2001. Me: 37.
* D Day 1 - Mar 2008: Discovered cyber/phone sex, dating sites etc
* D Day 2 - May 2008: Discovered more "stuff". WS admitted to one A - my gut says > half a dozen.
* R'ing. IC & MC. WS is sex addict.

Posts: 377 | Registered: Jun 2008 | From: Toronto, Canada
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Default  Posted: 12:35 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((naive again)))

(((birdwatch)))


Me:44
Him:44 SA
Married:14 years
D-day: too many, final Nov 8, 2008
Separating ,he's on the run

Posts: 153 | Registered: Jan 2009 | From: alberta
enraged
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Default  Posted: 12:44 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all...I need guidance. My WH and I are in R, but I think he's a SA and he's not sure but is willing to see an expert. Does anyone know of a good therapist who specializes in SA in the L.A. area? How much do they charge? Does insurance cover it? Are there any good books we can read? Finally, if he's not sure, will seeing a therapist even help him (meaning is therapy for SA only worthwhile if the person has fully admitted that he is a SA?).

Help please!


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Eternaloptimist
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Default  Posted: 12:50 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

NA,

Birdwatch has given you very good advice.
We've all been where you are. I can remember howling like you described -- we HAVE lost our best friends, or the person we thought was our best friend. It's a very primal pain -- goes to the very core of everyone's fear of abandonment.
Try and do what Birdwatch suggests -- it will help you put your pain in perspective. It is to be experienced...it won't swallow you alive.

And it's time to focus on you. Forget his promises, his actions....everything. It's time to pay attention to you and what you can do to heal yourself. You're giving him far too much power -- take it back. YOU be the one to decide where you go from here. His actions, while hurtful to you, have NOTHING to do with you and everything to do with his own shame, insecurity, guilt, issues... These other people, movies, whatever aren't better than you....they're EASIER. Addicts are terrified of intimacy, of someone finding out that they're full of shame and secrets. Anonymous encounters, porn, movies -- all that allows addicts to keep an emotional distance.

I hope you can catch your breath. Cry when you need to but please trust that your pain will eventually subside...and if you've taken care of yourself you'll have the strength to build a life -- with or without him -- that better serves you.


Me: BS
Him: WS, SA
Married: 12 years
Three kids: 9-year-old D, 7-year-old S, 5-year-old D
D-Day #1: December 11, 2006 (LTA)
D-Day #2: June 17, 2007 (found out about SA)

Posts: 656 | Registered: Jun 2007 | From: Toronto
birdwatch
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Default  Posted: 12:54 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

brokenmom13,

I understand your anger. One of my husband's OW's came to my house, and my husband had the audacity to take a picture of her on his cell phone. You can only imagine my rage when I found the picture. Gosh, talking about it now ten months later still makes me furious!

But then I digressed.

I am repeating the same comments to you as to others, but in the early stages, the focus should be on YOU. Any attempt to support your husband's recovery (if he is in recovery) and rebuild your marriage (if that's what you both want) is futile and counter-productive when you yourself are not sufficiently stable emotionally.

So now, lets talk about you. You should be proud to have felt angry. When we first confront infidelity, we often grieve inwardly. We may feel unattrative and sexually inadequate, or we have somehow contributed to our husband's straying, or we are stupid for not discovering earlier, etc. When this (unjustified) self-blame and disrepect for self give way to grieving outwardly, we are actually progressing in our healing, not regressing.

When grieving outwardly, we often feel anger. I asked my IC what to do when I feel rage. She told me a story. Someone told an ant expert in a panic that her basement was infested with ants and sought advice. The ant expert exclaimed, "Watch them! They are interesting!"

I am not suggesting in any way your anger and hurt are amusing. The point is to be in touch with our own feelings. Close the door. Close your eyes. Feel your emotions. Write in a journal if that helps. Speak with your IC. Do not run away from them - feelings don't disappear.

Also, anger often masks other "messier" emotions. When you become more in touch with your feelings, you may find that you lash out to avoid feeling helpless, afraid and insecure. You will do well to explore these feelings.

My counselling has not eliminated my hurt or anger, but it helps me recognize my feelings. From talking to my counsellor, I am starting to confront my own baggage - my father's emotional abuse. I am working on healing, not for my husband or my marriage (although indirectly, I am sure my husband and my marriage will benefit). I am working on myself for me.

I hope you are feeling better today. You are in my thoughts.

PS How did the STD tests go?

Love,
birdwatch

[This message edited by birdwatch at 12:57 PM, February 9th (Monday)]


* Known WS since 2001. Me: 37.
* D Day 1 - Mar 2008: Discovered cyber/phone sex, dating sites etc
* D Day 2 - May 2008: Discovered more "stuff". WS admitted to one A - my gut says > half a dozen.
* R'ing. IC & MC. WS is sex addict.

Posts: 377 | Registered: Jun 2008 | From: Toronto, Canada
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Default  Posted: 1:01 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(enraged)

Books by Patrick Carnes (most accepted authority on sex addiction)Out of the Shadows There is a website for Carnes work as well

Stephanie Carnes has a good one that 7Yrs reccommends as a starter called Mending a Shattered Heart

There are many online questionaires on "Do you think you are a sex addict?" Check the Carnes site or Recovery Nation site for example. This would allow him some initial privacy to question himself.
Good Luck!


Me:44
Him:44 SA
Married:14 years
D-day: too many, final Nov 8, 2008
Separating ,he's on the run

Posts: 153 | Registered: Jan 2009 | From: alberta
birdwatch
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Default  Posted: 1:04 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Dear Enraged and all of you new here,

I am sorry you have been hurt by infidelity and SA. I hope you can find support and comfort here.

I have written a detailed post to brokenmom13, who is also new to this Thread, on February 6th 11:29 am. You can find my post under Tab 16 in this Thread. You may find the suggestions helpful.

Post as often as you want. We are here for you.

My thoughts are with you,
birdwatch


* Known WS since 2001. Me: 37.
* D Day 1 - Mar 2008: Discovered cyber/phone sex, dating sites etc
* D Day 2 - May 2008: Discovered more "stuff". WS admitted to one A - my gut says > half a dozen.
* R'ing. IC & MC. WS is sex addict.

Posts: 377 | Registered: Jun 2008 | From: Toronto, Canada
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Default  Posted: 1:04 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Can you imagine how hard it must be to be a CSAT? How on earth do they figure out what is truth and what is lies?


Me:44
Him:44 SA
Married:14 years
D-day: too many, final Nov 8, 2008
Separating ,he's on the run

Posts: 153 | Registered: Jan 2009 | From: alberta
birdwatch
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Default  Posted: 1:25 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

To those wiser than me,

I understand the purpose of setting boundaries and consequences of a breach, but I do not know how to apply the theory.

Here is a concrete example with which many of us can identify:

Boundary - "If OW emails you, you must let me know and we will decide what to do together".

Let say OW did email, and husband did not tell me. What would be a consequence? I am not trying to be funny, but lets think of some possible consequences:

* You will sleep on the couch for a week. - But that's not a "good" consequence because it is something out of my control, i.e. I cannot force him to sleep on the couch if he objects.

* I will sleep on the couch for a week. - But why do I have to sleep uncomforably while he has the whole bed? Cannot be fair that the consequence of his misbehaviour is suffering for me!

* You cannot use emails for a week. - But that's impractical because my husband has only one email account, which is a work account. And again, this is not a "good" consequence because it's not within my control.

See my dilemma?

If anyone can give me (and others on this site) a few concrete examples, I'd be grateful.

ALSO, I would appreciate concrete advice on how we can reconcile "not checking up" and realizing a boundary has been breached. E.g. If I give up on checking my husband's email, how would I ever know OW has emailed and he has emailed her back without me knowing?

Confused,
birdwatch


* Known WS since 2001. Me: 37.
* D Day 1 - Mar 2008: Discovered cyber/phone sex, dating sites etc
* D Day 2 - May 2008: Discovered more "stuff". WS admitted to one A - my gut says > half a dozen.
* R'ing. IC & MC. WS is sex addict.

Posts: 377 | Registered: Jun 2008 | From: Toronto, Canada
watchingU
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Default  Posted: 1:53 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why does it seem that every M has one loving, honest partner and one cheating, lying partner. I've found out my H of 40 years is a SA. After 2 yrs of trickle truth, my will to live is about gone. Why do people who appear to live normal lives, need to LIE LIE LIE and have a secret life? I don't know why I can't break from him, heck, I divorced him. I hate myself as much as I hate him because I can't get off this coaster ride. Why do I think dying is preferable to being alone?


BW me 60(naive until 3/30/07 Dday)
WH 60(PA w/SIL PA with neighbor, 100's of EAs,chat rooms, M 1969
Multiple Ddays over the past 4 yrs (about prior infidelities, not new ones) My Gut says WH Has cheated thruout M

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Eternaloptimist
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Default  Posted: 2:01 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

watchingU,

Please get yourself counselling, if you haven't already. And I get the impression that your husband isn't in counselling either. You can't reconcile with someone who's still lying and cheating.
And it will sap your will to live if you try.
If you need ADs, please get them. But don't let yourself lose hope in yourself. You are worth saving...even if he and/or your marriage isn't.
You have a 38-year-old who doesn't want to lose her mom. I lost my own mom two years ago (and she had also attempted suicide when I was younger) and I miss her every day.


Me: BS
Him: WS, SA
Married: 12 years
Three kids: 9-year-old D, 7-year-old S, 5-year-old D
D-Day #1: December 11, 2006 (LTA)
D-Day #2: June 17, 2007 (found out about SA)

Posts: 656 | Registered: Jun 2007 | From: Toronto
watchingU
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Default  Posted: 2:11 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why do we stay? When the pain is so great? Why do we tell ourselves we can deal with it, that they 'love' us, inspite of lying to us and cheating multiple times? Why do we stay? Is there really a life in this situation or do we just tell ourselves that because we're afraid to face the consequences of looking in our souls and admitting how joyless our lives have been and will continue to be in these types of marriages. We were manipulated and used, just a role in the SA play of life. But most of us won't admit it. It hurts too much.


BW me 60(naive until 3/30/07 Dday)
WH 60(PA w/SIL PA with neighbor, 100's of EAs,chat rooms, M 1969
Multiple Ddays over the past 4 yrs (about prior infidelities, not new ones) My Gut says WH Has cheated thruout M

Posts: 520 | Registered: Dec 2008 | From: South
Ingrid
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Default  Posted: 2:17 PM, February 9th (Monday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Birdwatch said:

"1. It does not matter why other people stay with their spouses. Some people end their marriages because their spouses snore, and some people stay in their marriage even their spouses physically harm them and their children.

It does not matter why we decide to stay with our spouses, YOU have to decide whether YOU wish to stay. That is entirely your decision, which you are entitled to make."

I realize this Birdwatch. But I do not get it quite. For immorality kind of abologizes what marriage even is, IMO. It wipes away marriage in its very essence.

This I do not get, why many wives, knowing their husbands are unfaithful louses (like mine) even stay.

I guess, as in my case, it's due to finances, being completely strapped for money and having no help, and no where to turn. But for others who have financial means, a job at least, I do not understand it. At all. I do not understand why they stand for anything less than a man who adores them and willl be faithful to only them.

IF I was financially self-sufficient, I would have been out of marriage so fast you couldn't even blink an eye.

I feel somehow, there's a reason I was not at that/this time financially stable to do so. This is up to God. I feel perhaps he needs our family, to be one of the few who can say we've lived thru affairs and we can make it.

Don't know exactly. Don't know anything much at this time, other than I despise my husband for how he's hurt me beyond belief, how he's gone off on his marriage vows he made to God and witnesses, and what a lousy husband he is.

I cannot forgive this. And I really, at this point am thinking, for myself and for everyone, that, once a husband does this, there is no hope. For they made their choice. Why don't we hear it? Are we stupid? Our husbands chose to go out on us, to have no respect or regard for us, the beautiful women that promised to give their life to them, honor them for all our days. Now, they betrayed us.

I feel such contempt for my husband due to this lately.


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