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RiotGrrrl
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Default  Posted: 7:33 AM, September 10th (Friday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Freedom by Jonathan Franzen. I love it so far!


RG


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HappilyUnMarried
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Default  Posted: 11:21 PM, September 12th (Sunday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm reading Freedom too! I love it so far. Very developed characters. Anyone want to do a book club on this in October? It'll take that long for me to get though... it's long!


True happiness comes from within, not from someone else.  Don’t make the mistake of waiting on someone or something to come along and make you happy

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Skye
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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, September 13th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm on the reserve list for "Freedom" at my library. I see there are 56 of us waiting for the book. Not sure where I am in the list. Would love to think about doing this for our book club, but maybe in a couple of months.

Did you guys like his first book?


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RiotGrrrl
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Default  Posted: 11:17 AM, September 14th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I adore The Corrections but I think he has one or two others that I didn't read (yet)

RG


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Default  Posted: 12:29 PM, September 16th (Thursday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Latest: Bloody Good by Georgia Evans. Nazi flying vampires in WWII England. We'll see.


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Default  Posted: 11:55 AM, September 22nd (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I read just finished A Girl That Played With Fire, I had a hard time getting interested but by the third chapter it started getting better. When I finished, I found out it's part 2 of a trilogy so now I'm reading part 1, The Girl With A Dragon Tattoo.


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Default  Posted: 4:35 PM, September 22nd (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I first learned of Henrietta Lacks on the CBS Sunday Morning Show early this summer. The book is non fiction and has been on the NYT best seller list. I got the book on CD from my local library. The ending of the book was most moving.

blessings, cd


The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot

From the very beginning there was something uncanny about the cancer cells on Henrietta Lacks’s cervix. Even before killing Lacks herself in 1951, they took on a life of their own. Removed during a biopsy and cultured without her permission, the HeLa cells (named from the first two letters of her first and last names) reproduced boisterously in a lab at Johns Hopkins — the first human cells ever to do so. HeLa became an instant biological celebrity, traveling to research labs all over the world.

Meanwhile Lacks, a vivacious 31-year-old African-American who had once been a tobacco farmer, tended her five children and endured scarring radiation treatments in the hospital’s “colored” ward.
After Henrietta Lacks’s death, HeLa went viral, so to speak, becoming the godmother of virology and then biotech, benefiting practically anyone who’s ever taken a pill stronger than aspirin. Scientists have grown some 50 million metric tons of her cells, and you can get some for yourself simply by calling an 800 number. HeLa has helped build thousands of careers, not to mention more than 60,000 scientific studies, with nearly 10 more being published every day, revealing the secrets of everything from aging and cancer to mosquito mating and the cellular effects of working in sewers.
HeLa is so outrageously robust that if one cell lands in a petri dish, it proceeds to take over. And so, like any good celebrity, HeLa had a scandal: In 1966 it became clear that HeLa had contaminated hundreds of cell lines, destroying research as far away as Russia. By 1973, when Lacks’s children were shocked to learn that their mother’s cells were still alive, HeLa had already been to outer space.

During the eight months that Lacks herself was dying of cancer, the HeLa cells so thoroughly eclipsed her that a lab assistant at her autopsy glanced at her painted red toes and thought: “Oh jeez, she’s a real person. . . . I started imagining her sitting in her bathroom painting those toenails, and it hit me for the first time that those cells we’d been working with all this time and sending all over the world, they came from a live woman. I’d never thought of it that way.”

In “The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks,” Rebecca Skloot introduces us to the “real live woman,” the children who survived her, and the interplay of race, poverty, science and one of the most important medical discoveries of the last 100 years. Skloot narrates the science lucidly, tracks the racial politics of medicine thoughtfully and tells the Lacks family’s often painful history with grace. She also confronts the spookiness of the cells themselves, intrepidly crossing into the spiritual plane on which the family has come to understand their mother’s continued presence in the world. Science writing is often just about “the facts.” ­Skloot’s book, her first, is far deeper, braver and more wonderful.

Skloot didn’t know what she was getting into when she began researching the book as a graduate student in 1999. The first time she called Lacks’s widower, then living in Baltimore, the person who answered the phone simply heard her voice and yelled, “Get Pop, lady’s on the phone about his wife cells.” Over the years it took Skloot to gain the family’s trust, she came to understand that the only time white people ever called the house was when they wanted something to do with the HeLa cells. Some of the family feel they’ve been ripped off, cheated by either Johns Hopkins (though the hospital never sold the cells) or the entire medical establishment, which has made enormous profits from the cells.

Skloot traces the family’s emotional ordeal, the changing ethics and law around tissue collections, and the inadvertently careless journalists and researchers who violated the family’s privacy by publishing everything from Henrietta’s medical records to the family’s genetic information. She tacks between the perspective of the scientists and the family evenly and fairly, arriving at a paradox described by Henrietta’s daughter Deborah. “Truth be told, I can’t get mad at science, because it help people live, and I’d be a mess without it. I’m a walking drugstore! . . . But I won’t lie, I would like some health insurance so I don’t got to pay all that money every month for drugs my mother cells probably helped make.”

Deborah, a generous spirit, becomes the book’s driving force, as Skloot joins her in her “lifelong struggle to make peace with the existence of those cells, and the science that made them possible.” To find the mother she never got to know, she read hundreds of articles about HeLa research, which led her to believe that her mother was “eternally suffering” from all the experiments performed on her cells. In unsentimental prose, Skloot describes traveling with her to Clover, Va., where Henrietta grew up in her grandfather’s cabin, former slave quarters in a town where the black Lackses and the white Lackses don’t mix. Suffering from hives and extreme anxiety, Deborah seeks out a relative who channels the voice of God. He tells Deborah to let ­Skloot carry the “burden” of the cells from now on, explaining that the cells have become heavenly bodies, immortal angels.

But “The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks” is much more than a portrait of the Lacks family. It is also a critique of science that insists on ignoring the messy human provenance of its materials. “Scientists don’t like to think of HeLa cells as being little bits of Henrietta because it’s much easier to do science when you dissociate your materials from the people they come from,” a researcher named Robert Stevenson tells Skloot in one of the many ethical discussions seeded throughout the book.

The ethical issues implicated in the HeLa story are many and tangled. Since 1951, science has progressed much faster than our ability to figure out what is right and wrong about tissue culture. In the 1980s a doctor who had removed the cancer-ridden spleen of a man named John Moore patented some of the cells to create a cell line then valued at more than $3 billion, without Moore’s knowledge. Moore sued, and on appeal the court ruled that patients had the right to control their tissues, but soon that was struck down by the California Supreme Court, which said that tissue removed from the body had been abandoned as medical waste. The cell line created by the doctor had been “transformed” via his “inventive effort,” and to say otherwise would “destroy the economic incentive to conduct important medical research.” The court said that doctors should disclose their financial interests and called on legislators to increase patient protections and regulation, but this has hardly hindered the growth of the field. In 1999 the RAND Corporation estimated that American labs alone held more than 307 million tissue samples from some 178 million people. Not only is the question of payment for profitable tissues unresolved, Skloot notes, but it’s still not necessary to obtain consent to store cells and tissue taken in diagnostic procedures and then use the samples for research.

The scene in this book that made my hair stand on end occurred when the Lackses followed Skloot into the world of science, just as she had followed them into the world of faith. In 2001, an Austrian researcher at Johns Hopkins named Christoph Lengauer invited the family to his lab. When Deborah and her brother visited, he led them to the basement, where they “saw” their mother for the first time, warming frozen test tubes of HeLa in their hands and watching as a cell divided into two under a microscope while Lengauer explained his work. Deborah pressed a cold vial to her lips. “You’re famous,” she whispered. “Just nobody knows it.”

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sad12008
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Default  Posted: 6:48 AM, September 23rd (Thursday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I found another wittily-written non-fiction book I'm enjoying greatly: "get me out, A History of Childbirth", by Randi Epstein

I'm also reading "The Up and Down Life" by Paul Jones, a book about BPD which is also quite good.


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Default  Posted: 12:21 PM, September 23rd (Thursday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am reading The Kingdom Beyond the Waves, by Stephen Hunt.


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Skye
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Default  Posted: 8:07 AM, September 26th (Sunday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just finished Freedom. Really need to "talk" to someone on this board about it. But the spoiler warning has to be visible

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Default  Posted: 8:22 AM, September 26th (Sunday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ichoose - I am reading the trilogy. I found that 'the girl with the dragon tattoo was an awesome book. I am currently half way through 'the girl who played with fire'.

I found that book 2 (that I am reading now) was fairly interesting from the start, but then, I had the background on the characters, I had a vested interest in Lisbeth (I really like her).


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D-Day: Sept 18/10
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RiotGrrrl
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Default  Posted: 8:47 AM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Skye - I finished Freedom! Would love to dicuss it

RG


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Default  Posted: 2:22 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Eat, Pray, Love


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Don't keep dancing with the Devil and wonder why you are still in Hell.

It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.


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Strong Fothers, Strong Daughters by Dr Meg Meeker


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Default  Posted: 7:34 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I just finished "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" last night.

Excellent.

I'm going to ready "Three Cups of Tea" next.


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Skye
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Default  Posted: 9:18 AM, September 29th (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Riot,this won't be a "spoiler" question, but do you think anyone in the book loved anyone? I know this is a book full of dysfunctional people, that is what he writes so well about. While all the relationship were dysfunctional in some way, I kept wondering if anyone loved anyone else.

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Default  Posted: 11:07 AM, September 29th (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm currently reading Colleen McCullough's "A Creed for the Third Millenium" -- took me a little while to get into it but now it's got me hooked.

I'm in for an upcoming book club reading for "Freedom" too!

HP


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Default  Posted: 3:25 PM, September 29th (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm reading "Open" by Andre Agassi. What a great book.

Before that I read "Stiff" by Mary Roach. Subtitle is "the curious lives of human cadavers." My wife gave it to me -- hope she wasn't inferring anything! -- after reading some good reviews (NYT bestseller to boot). Very interesting read but very quirky too.

Next up after Agassi is "The Good Soldiers" by David Finkel.


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Default  Posted: 3:36 PM, September 29th (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm reading "Open" as well. Next up--maybe a mushy romance before starting on a biography of Major Taylor, the African-American bicyclist.

Cat


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Survival of the Fittest ... by Jonathan Kellerman ...

it is awesome so far ... and I have 9 more of his books to read ...

I got hard back copies at a good will for $2 a book ... normally according to the back of the books they go for $25-$35 a piece for hard backs ...

I am so excited ...


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