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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 11:46 AM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

oh and


(((((((m3))))))))

i forgot to include those, and they are very important...

i know how real the pain is...and it sucks...

you can do this...you have already done so much...you are an amazing woman


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 12:25 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

m334455
I think Monday's are just hard for me

We find them hard too, but differently. After spending time together on the weekends the seperation is hard. She misses me, I worry about her being "out of pocket" and miss her.

I hope you find the last part you feel is troubling you.


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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forgivenotforget
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Default  Posted: 12:31 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have been going through old papers today and came across something I clipped out - have no idea where it's from but the message reminded me of all the talk we had about forgiveness so I thought I'd share it with you all.
"To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you."
I still like that one!

M33 - Like you, I thought I had a friend in the OW. I had known her for over 22 years and we did things as couples and as friends You can imagine how many things I had too but I had absolutely no difficulty trashing everything she gave me or my H. And everything that I would come across that even slightly reminded me of her was trashed and it felt good each and every time. There were some things I kept for "protection" but they are put away and one day will also be trashed. (PM me if you want the details.)
I can see how difficult it would be to get rid of pictures when your kids are in them. I have those too but again, they are safely put away.
At Christmas she occasionally gave me pj's, flannel ones - no surprise on that one, all of those were tossed too. Thought of using them as rags but just decided to trash them instead. Initially I thought I'd put all the fragile items in a box and smash them to smithereens and send them to her but she wasn't worth the effort. Just put them out in the trash like her.
It sounds like you're doing a good job of getting rid of most of the stuff and I'm glad you're re-painting. That will definitely help too. Any lasting impression of them has to be gotten rid of if at all possible.
Double betrayal is doubly painful but fortunately I came to the conclusion pretty quickly after d-day that you can't lose a friend you never had.
ETA - After re-reading my post it looks like I still might need to work a little more on the forgiveness thing, at least where the OW is concerned.

[This message edited by forgivenotforget at 12:35 PM, May 3rd (Monday)]


D-day - 12/23/05 LTA - 8 years.
"Love's a matter of trust and I just want to believe in us." M McBride

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 12:36 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ats:

We find them hard too, but differently. After spending time together on the weekends the seperation is hard. She misses me

this is awesome....totally awesome ...i just hope its for the right reasons...

worry about her being "out of pocket" and miss her.

what exactly does this mean?


missing one another because of missing each other alone is wonderful...missing one another because of worry is not.....

she should miss you just because she loves spending time with you and not because then you don't worry about what she is up to per say...and that she doesn't have to worry herself about what she is going to do....like the child who needs the parent home to tow the line kind of thing...

and for you...again miss her because you enjoy spending time with her and not because you will now worry about what she is up to...while the cat's away the mice will play kind of thing...

i hope its for all the right reasons ats...


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 1:03 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He continues to believe that there really can't be any reconciliation after infidelity.
Allgood, I know I bang on about this book, but it is the only one my FWH read and it did have an impact upon him and his views about the BS. It gave him the heads up on certain things too. Itís an ebook, but cheap and (even better) short.
http://www.aftertheaffair.net/
Browse and see what you think. Donít worry about it being from a Christian pov, that bit it optional. And, as you may know, neither H nor I subscribe to any faith.

I was tempted to say something like stay for an hour or 2 and leave - but I don't want to smother him. I did just tell him that I'm having like massive anxiety which I'm sure will only increase throughout the day - and he asked me "Why?"
As far as he is concerned, his affair being over and being in the open means that it is dealt with. He is saying to you that now itís done, there is nothing to worry about and him telling you that should be enough. And that you should be able to trust him as you did before because, after all, he is being honest with you now! I know. But it makes perfect sense to him.

M33,

but putting it all the way behind me will mean leaving this place when the time is right.
IC will help you in that regard. But make sure you are putting it behind you and not sweeping the remnants under the carpet.
no, I didn't tell him. I don't want to tell him anything about my feelings ever again.
You can do this in a way that doesnít expose you. Iím thinking about SerJRís Setting Healthy Boundaries post and particularly:
When you Ė a description of the behaviour that you find unacceptable. You want to make this as specific as possible and not rely on your perception of the behaviour but to be about the actual behaviour itself.
I feel Ė the impact the behaviour has on you. It is important to not let this define us but rather be an emotionally honest expression of our feelings.
I want Ė a description of the behaviour that it is you want from the other person.
If you Ė again a description of the behaviour that we find unacceptable.
I will Ė a description of what steps you will take to protect yourself and that boundary if it is violated. Realise that you can only control yourself and not the other person. This part is not a form of punishment or manipulation but a way to protect yourself. The consequence should be realistic and within your power to enforce.
(http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=231851)

Itís not a case of giving too much of yourself while you are still so badly hurt, itís a case of getting him to understand the impact of his words and actions. Miracle is right, he also has to understand that trust has to be earned and itís going to take a lot more action on his part than he is currently doing. Itís not ďbeing braveĒ, itís staying afloat and not drowning.

Iím all for throwing stuff out. Iíve kept photos of the kids, but I deleted and threw away the ones where H and I went on holiday just the two of us. That included the silver wedding and his 50th etc, etc. Iíve kept the official wedding album, but cut up the wedding dress, cards and memorabilia. Anything that reminds me of MOW has gone. Esp books. The rosemary bushes in the garden have gone. I was glad when FWH changed his car as I had refused to drive it and only went in it when I absolutely had to.


We find them hard too, but differently. After spending time together on the weekends the seperation is hard.
This is natural as you are rebonding again and rediscovering your relationship. There is also the element of insecurity on both your parts. It will settle down in time.

[This message edited by UKgirl at 1:07 PM, May 3rd (Monday)]


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

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m334455
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Default  Posted: 1:10 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks all.

I forgot: the car I totaled is actually WH's car. Can you say karma bus?


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 1:16 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks miracle. Yes, it was lovely to have my parents up, but they are 85 and 81 and they both have health issues. But they are pragmatic people and are determined to carry on doing all that they can do for as long as possible. But I think I may have a problem looming that I will have to deal with before it becomes a problem and itís linked to the post on another page.

My Mum has done a family tree through her motherís line. My grandmother (whose wedding ring I wore until a few weeks after d-day) came from a village called MtSxxx in the same county as MOW lives. MOW works at the xxxxshire county offices located on the north side of the city. The MtS village is to the north of the city as is the Bxxxx Park where WH and MOW went walking, lunched at the pubs and tea rooms in the villages around (itís big) and itís only a 5min drive from her offices and was a 5min drive from the motorway junction for WH. The park also has a war memorial no doubt holding the names of my mothers relatives. The road where my gímother was born and brought up (before she went to London) is less than 5miles from the places WH and MOW favoured for a lite bite after their stroll. Of course there are the hotels and other places nearby that they would frequent too when they had a little more time There will be family links to Bxxx Park, it used to be an ancestral home and I expect some family will have been estate workers. And yes, some of the hotels will have been on what used to be estate land and named after parts of the estate.

So, my Mum was rabbiting about the family tree, my Dad saying he will send me a copy of what sheís done and perhaps I could see what I could find to track other relatives in the area. They are not on the internet (used to be, but not now) and know I could find things out quite easily and I could visit the records offices of the county (Ö..!) and the parish for births, deaths and marriages as well as census records online. I said Iíd do it once they mailed what they already knew. What else could I say? I wonít be able to avoid the connections. So, having had the sick stomach feeling with Mum asking, I will just have to put up walls of defence and concentrate on the task in hand and not get distracted. Which might be difficult if and when I actually GO there to look up records not available online.

I donít have to deal with the hotels and affair places on a daily or regular basis, so Iím lucky in that respect. Iím going to have to deal with it before I go there.

eta - this still reads like scribble.

[This message edited by UKgirl at 1:23 PM, May 3rd (Monday)]


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 1:18 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I forgot: the car I totaled is actually WH's car. Can you say karma bus?
Something came good of the crash. And it does carry the karma feel, don't you think?

And I forgot - hugs hon
(((((m33)))))


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 2:14 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all.

I want to give hugs to everyone who is hurting. I want to help, but can't right now. I'm in so much pain.
The weekend was ok, on eggshells.

Today was a real low, probably the lowest. When he first came home, I just gave him a quick hug and a kiss that you would give to a neighbor. Slept on the pull out couch. I tried to pleasant, etc.

Today he's mad. I ignore it, but then said if you need to tell me something, tell me.
He starts going on about how badly I'm treating him, acting all happy and then lash out at him (this is not true...the minute he came he's talking about when he's going back, and I said, when are you going back?...perhaps I didn't use the "proper tone" with HRH (his royal highness)

I don't want to go into the back and forth, I really can't remember it all, I'm too emotional.

He's blaming me because DS15 is failing math and I didn't get him a tutor. Being angry because I've been so upset all year that I didn't do anything, I didn't take care of the kids. (because DS 15 is failing Math and isn't getting higher grades) Because for a while they were getting themselves to school in the morning.

I was too busy worrying about what he's doing. I messed up with raising my two older sons.
Of course, I answered all these things.

He wants us all to be together in one country..either there or here. Not all living in the same house, but I should be happy with what I have. That I have to share him. He has two families. I told him I cannot accept that.

We went back and forth for a while, can't remember the details. Of course, I'm still at fault for all the marital problems. and why he did what he did. He says it's over and I should get over it. Stop crying all the time. Stop focusing on it.

I have to decide what to do.

I know what I want to do. We need to talk about finances.

He started going on how he paid for me all these years, etc. Why am I banging on him about the money he borrowed from me.

It all boils down to, with his verbal attacks etc, I doubt myself, I don't even know what I'm thinking. I get so emotional.
Lol, Allgood, once upon a time I wanted to be a lawyer, but how could I when I break down with any kind of argument?

I guess we're at an impasse. I know where we're heading. We need a mediator of something to work out the finances.

Don't worry, I hid the passports on DDay.

I feel like I've been through the wringer. I can't even think straight.

I was crying so hard that I had to keep remembering the advice on here that says,"Just breathe" because I had to, I almost lost my breath. Never had that happen before.

thank you all for listening. I'll post more later.


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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 3:02 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

iwantamiracle

For her she says it is missing me after we spend the time together on the weekend. As I posted elsewhere, she is beginning to talk to me about "self-policing" she is doing with herself. FWW recognizes inappropriate boundaries (chatting with men in grocery line, co-workers after hours) and changing them.

For me, it is not quite so pure. I do miss her after we have time together on the weekends, but I also have some anxiety when I am not certain where she is and what she is doing. I know that she is not currently involved with anyone. I just sometimes feel anxiety. If we are having a bad day or week, it is much worse.


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

sorry, just have to vent. I don't want to burden anyone anymore with these problems. Trying to tell WH that just telling me the whole truth 2 months ago after 7 mos of false R is hard.

It still boils down with him that it's because I didn't get that operation. I finally yelled that all I was reduced to was a t***. Never mind that he always said I was an "angel" and was wonderful etc and that he loves me. He says he loves me but that has nothing to do with sex. ??????

He tells me I was depressed all these years because of my first husband, I said no, it's because YOU cheated on my before we were married and we buried a daughter.

What he wants is that we all move back over there. Me and my kids live in one house, OW and OC's live in another and he divides his time between us. He'll sleep at our house some nights and thiers some nights. Or he'll bring them all over here to the US.

I told him I cannot accept this.
He starts in about how he paid for me all these years, (this means nothing more than paying bills, etc. I was living with him!! I was/am his WIFE!!!!)

I know this is just the prelude for what I always knew was inevitable.

It just hurts so much that he is still blaming me. How I was acting all year, that I was always down and crying. He can't live like that!!!

I'm just an emotional mess today. I'm all over the place.

God, I was even considering calling xWH to ask him if I was really "too losse down there" !!! He's remarried, we've been civil and fine, I know this is ridiculous. I've only made love to 2 men in my life and they were both my husbands!!

God, I'm so sorry for venting like this!! I feel like I'm going crazy!!


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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 3:26 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((honesttoafault))


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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forgivenotforget
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Default  Posted: 4:01 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Honest - I have to run out for an appointment but I couldn't leave without sending you extra hugs and let you know how much I wish I could offer you the support you need right now. Go and let yourself grieve and don't hold back, but do make sure to breathe.
I will check in once I get back later tonight.
(((((((((((((Honest))))))))))


D-day - 12/23/05 LTA - 8 years.
"Love's a matter of trust and I just want to believe in us." M McBride

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Allgoodnamesgone
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Default  Posted: 4:02 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

UKGirl: you hit the nail on the head when you said
"As far as he is concerned, his affair being over and being in the open means that it is dealt with. He is saying to you that now itís done, there is nothing to worry about and him telling you that should be enough. And that you should be able to trust him as you did before because, after all, he is being honest with you now! I know. But it makes perfect sense to him. "

That's definitely it. I'm feeling better at the moment because he texted me this afternoon to tell me that he loves me & that he would come home right after work if I was really upset. He also told me he doesn't plan on staying the whole time & is not going out with the guys for drinks afterwards - which is really big - even his partner his going. So - I am happy with his response & hope he lives up to it. Now - if ow is there - I just hope he enforces the new boundaries. I have to say - I think he is one of these guys that is like - I'm in control of this process - we are good now so there's no problem talking to ow - I'm not going to let anything happen. But - we shall see.

Honest: omg - so sorry. But - let's rally dear... I'm quite sure you could walk down the block, look up at the first man you see & find a better man than your husband is. "His royal highness" that's classic. I get what you are saying about the kids - I know I definitely dropped the ball here - and I've got teachers, guidance counselors, etc calling on a regular basis as well. Don't fault yourself - you didn't ask for this. You cannot expect to function when everything is crashing around you. Please be stong & don't take his bs. I know you need to playing along a bit with him - but you still don't need to accept the way he is talking to you. (And - btw - totally different when you are representing someone else & can detach from the emotion of it.)
Maybe be like - listen you did this & these are the consequences. I'm going to work on healing myself first before making any decision of any kind with you. Don't even engage in the let's all live in the same country crap or any other specifics. Let him know you're pissed, but leave the door open - like maybe when you're done healing there might be a chance to reconcile. And of course he wants to do the right thing by his family financially while you are weighing such an important decision, right? (This way you might get him off your back while you get all the financial info you need. And in this respect I'm just talking about information & documentation - like I told you I would not expect any agreements from him or any reasonableness from him at this time.)
Do not expect rational behavior from your husband & you won't be disappointed. I know it's sad. I'm just saying he is truly insane - he's proposing that you guys live like the families in that HBO series - was it "Big love"? idk - just insane.
And - do not call your ex-husband - no one else would ever say this or believe this - even your md said you were fine & you really can't believe this is the cause of your h's polygamy can you? Geez - if he was just trying to get his rocks off - you don't have to get married...
I think this has more to do with your h wanting to be a "big man" with his 2 families and less to do with you.


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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{{{honesttoafault}}}

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O - and I'm sorry that I haven't kept up with everyone else - I've just needed to spend less time on SI the last couple of days (for sanity reasons) so I haven't had the chance to go back and catch up to see what is going on with everyone else - but M3 - hope you bounce back soon - I know you will - and welcome As! And - I will talk to you all soon. Be well!


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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Default  Posted: 4:08 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

((((((Honest)))))))

I just jumped on and saw your posts. I don't have much time but want you to know that you were heard and what he is saying is BEYOND ABSURD!! He is gaslighting and blameshifting. NONE of this is your fault. If your son is struggling it is because of what your WH did to you and your family. It is NOT your fault that he lied and cheated and married another. YOU KNOW THIS!!!! BELIEVE IN YOURSELF HON, PLEASE.

I think it is clearly time for you to 180 and lawyer up. I don't know your financial situation but I would get whatever you believe is yours (50% or more) into separate accounts NOW.

Obviously, going overseas with your childrent to live under his laws where you will likely have little to no rights would be insane.

I will be back later to listen and to try to help.


"Forgiveness is the grace by which you enable the other person to get up, and get up with dignity, to begin anew" Desmond Tutu

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 4:14 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

honest...take a deep deep breath...and listen up really really good here....all of this shit he is flinging is just that shit...he needs to blame you and you know that...it can't possibly be his fault...remember he will fling anything he can at you...he is a bully....and he is trying to get you to do what he wants...and you know he is so full of shit...

and there is a reason lawyers and doctors don't do their own...its called being too close to a sich and your emotions do not allow you to do your job...

please please listen to all of us, there is nothing wrong with you....there is plenty wrong with him though...

and his carrying on about paying for you, he makes it sound like you are a prostitute...meanwhile if he was really that good with money why did he have to borrow so much from you and your house is mortgaged to the hilt because he bought and paid for wife #2 and is probably working on 3#...

recognize all of his antics for what they are...ANTICS

take some time out for yourself...stop blaming yourself for anything and everything...

your boys are fine, they are very lucky to have you for a mother...boys learn from the #1 role models their dads...so if there is any blaming there it belongs on him.....

none of his shit even deserves answers...he is deflecting big time...hell even i am answering for you i am so mad for you...i am spitting nails for you...

bottom line..did he answer for all he needs to answer for....

you need to know where you stand financially...

i am sending you a pm too...

((((honest))))



i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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Default  Posted: 4:24 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You cannot expect to function when everything is crashing around you. Please be stong & don't take his bs.
Do not, absolutely DO NOT take ANY blame for this. He is a complete blameshifting asshole. He wants his little world to stay exactly as it is. No, actually, he wants to drag YOU into his little world. Until now, he has had separate lives. It would seem he wants total integration, which would make his life so much easier and Ė just how fucking big does his ego need to be???

Honest, you are holding things together. He is the one at fault here if things are falling apart Ė which THEY ARE NOT. He doesnít want the boys to side with you. Well tough shit, mister. Look at your boys and know that you have made them into the young men they are now. Be there for them, but they have to understand their lives are going to be so very different, and if they fail I think you can lay that 100% at your WHís feet. Asshole.

Get some legal advice Ė and fast Ė if you havenít already done so. I donít think mediation is going to work; it sounds as if he wants it all his own way or you are in the trash bin.

He is so arrogant, itís unreal. He doesnít own you!! Honey, I am so very sorry. Be strong. Keep that 180 pinned over your heart. Vent all you like, weíre here for you and I wish we all lived around the corner so we could wander over with wine, tissues and pillows for you to beat. Major hugs. Stay with it. Donít yield. This is NOT the man you married. ((((((((honest))))))))


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 4:29 PM, May 3rd (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What he wants is that we all move back over there. Me and my kids live in one house, OW and OC's live in another and he divides his time between us. He'll sleep at our house some nights and thiers some nights. Or he'll bring them all over here to the US.
Not fucking likely. Twat. He's lost the plot big time. Don't take part in this play of his. It is all about him. What a self centred ego tripping ......... Sheesh.

eta: more hugs. (((((honest)))))

[This message edited by UKgirl at 4:30 PM, May 3rd (Monday)]


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

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