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User Topic: BS Questions for WS- Part 5
imustbeafool
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Default  Posted: 4:22 PM, September 20th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ok I posted this in the wrong forum (sorry)....reposting question to WS:
So, when I confronted him with the picture that I found on facebook posted by OW#(Foreign Country) of her lounging by his property in the other country, why was his response to tell me "Do you want to know the real truth? OW (Miami)was actually the one who came by the property but I told the guards not to let her in." WTF???? So.....not only are you NOT addressing this recent posting on facebook of OW (Foreign Country) clearly lounging poolside at your property but you want to NOW disclose that OW (Miami)was there but that you refused her visit? And then not answer as to HOW she even knew that you would be there at that particular time considering the fact that you'd stopped contact with her? Why would he even mention this now, a month after the trip? Was he trying to distract me from OW (Foreign Country)'s picture? Please help me understand his logic and WS's out there...
And, BTW, I contacted OW (Miami) when he told me about his upcoming solo trip in August and a man answered her phone. She refused to come to the phone so I told the guy (her boyfriend, husband?) that she has been calling my husband and slept with him in Miami. Suddenly she takes the phone and denied it, clearly for the guy she was with, saying I don't know your husband I have my own husband....blah, blah, blah. I just kept repeating myself that she needs to stay away.
Good Lord. What a mess I am in. Stupid, stupid, stupid.


IMBA

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Hope24
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Default  Posted: 5:40 PM, September 20th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Do WSs trigger? What can you tell me about it? Often? Go on for long? etc.

Yes, WS absolutely have triggers. They can be debilitating, actually. Mine were so bad that I became agoraphobic for about 6 months.

I'm 5+ years out and believe it or not, can still trigger from time to time. It's usually something horrific that I read on SI or something that brings me back to the early days of d-day. It was so long ago now, that it can take me awhile to even identify my reactions as triggers.

As for frequency, I would say they were fairly common the first year and became less so as time went on. If I experience one every 6 month now, that would be a lot.



She packed up her potential and all she had learned and headed out to change a few things.

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Hope24
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Default  Posted: 5:42 PM, September 20th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Amazonia:

On DDay, I blocked WH from fb, and removed my relationship status. Later that day, he deactivated his fb. We are S, heading towards D, and have been almost 100% NC for 5 1/2 months (only "almost" because of a few strictly logistical items).

He recently reactivated his fb, according to friends, and still has his relationship status as "Married".

Why would he leave it as Married??????????

This is actually fairly common. Some people consider themselves married until the day of the divorce and even continue to wear their wedding rings. If you read down in D/S at all, you will see this discussed from time to time.

I wouldn't worry about it or give it any thought at all.


She packed up her potential and all she had learned and headed out to change a few things.

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Hope24
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Default  Posted: 5:50 PM, September 20th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Livinalie:

So if he is telling me the truth and he really has always been in love with me, how could he look in MOW eyes and tell her how beautiful she is (he has always said this to me even during the A)? I can not wrap my head around this, how do you come home to your wife that you claim to be in love with and act as if life is normal?

This is actually very common among WS. Have you read up on compartmentalization at all? If not, there is some info in the Healing Library about it.

We had a great marriage and he agrees with this but he says he was missing just one thing, I was not affectionate enough, he felt that I was not attracted to him anymore, of course he didn't tell me this in so many words, once in awhile he would say something like "Do you even love me anymore" to which I would always reply of course I do, why would you say that? He would just say sometimes it doesn't seem like it.

Two things come to mind on this, one, the fact that he didn't feel loved isn't a reason for him to have an affair. It's a reason for him to feel, well unloved.The choice to have an A is completely separate for the way he felt in the marriage. He has to own that and be accountable for it. The fact that he felt unloved in the marriage lead to his decision, his choice to betray you. Do you see how fucked up that is? If he is truly remorseful, he needs to get to the bottom of how he rationalized his decision to betray you as okay. He had other choices, yet he chose an affair. Is he in IC?

Second, have you read "The Five Love Languages"? It sounds like he may be a words of affirmation person. It just means that his preferred method of receiving (and therefore giving) love is through loving words, or affection. You may want to read the book together, if you haven't already. It can be very insightful. I would also recommend MC.

Good luck.



She packed up her potential and all she had learned and headed out to change a few things.

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Hope24
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Default  Posted: 6:02 PM, September 20th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

starlightsky:

When we went to MC he didn't even do his homework given to him, he is uncaring, & says he knows I won't forgive him if he comes back. ( we are separated) he doesn't call me or try to communicate or see me @ all.

He's obviously not remorseful and not committed to doing the hard work to reconcile or heal himself.


The weird thing is he wants to continue supporting us financially & attends counseling to just show minimal participation.

This is probably to assuage his guilt. This way, he can tell friends and family that he "tried" counseling and claim it didn't help.

He is not affectionate at all. He is someone I don't recognize. He says the affair is over & wants to make sure its not bought up anymore if he comes back.

How nice of him to put conditions on your healing (heavy sarcasm). Again, he is completely un-remorseful.

I did have a bad habit of doing that a lot, even before I found out bc of previous lies.

Honey, talking about the affair is not a "bad habit". It's called healing. You will never be able to successfully R and forgive your WH if talking about the A is forbidden. How will you learn to trust him again? He has a lot to answer for, don't you think?

Anyhow, I'm not talking to him at all until our session in a month.

Personally, I would cancel the next session and go completely 180/NC until he begins to show remorse. Why waste your time?

It's hard bc I sent him an email telling him how great our relationship is & how hurtful his behavior is.

As hard as it is, you need to stop sending him emails like this. He's only going to respect you less. Put the focus back on you where it belongs. If he chooses to pull his head out of his a**, then and only then should you engage in discussion about the relationship. Have you read Katherine41's "Hindsight is 20/20" thread in JFO? It's a gem.

I need help
& some advice on how to handle this situation. I wonder if he will come around seeing how he is so unrecognizable.

Who knows if he will come around? It sounds to me like he's on the path to leaving you altogether. I really think you should 180 immediately, seek IC for yourself and cancel MC and (unfortunately) schedule a meeting with an attorney. His behavior doesn't bode well for your future.


I had even given him an ultimatum to leave or join MC he chose MC just to not give any effort.

The writing's on the wall, I'm afraid.

Protect yourself, sweets.


She packed up her potential and all she had learned and headed out to change a few things.

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Amazonia
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Default  Posted: 2:02 PM, September 21st (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks, Hope, and lostperfection4.

It's still very strange to me, because his behavior has been so opposite of this:

Some people consider themselves married until the day of the divorce

He left his rings when he walked out 3 days before DDay... I just don't understand his choices, even these small ones.


"You yourself deserve your love and affection as much as anybody in the universe." -Buddha
"Let's face it, life is a crap shoot." -Sad in AZ

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numb&dumb
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Default  Posted: 9:02 AM, September 22nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hey all, first time poster in this forum.

The question I have is how did you view your BS when they made the decision to R ? Or how did the decision to R impact your view of them ?

I understand that you probably were very happy, but putting that aside how did your view of your BS change ?

Did you see them as strong ? Did you see them as humble ? Did it make you appreciate their character more/less ?

Lastly if you did not feel like you deserved a chance at R was there anything that helped you work through those thoughts ? Anything in particular your BS said or Did ?

I would appreciate any insight that can be provided as it is hard for to understand the WS thoughts as it relates to R. Thanks in advance


Me-35 her-35

DS 1, DD 6
Dday 8/31/11. ONS that occurred 3 years earlier. Lied to for 3 years.

Every truth comes to light in a long enough timeline.


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broken&lonely
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Default  Posted: 2:56 PM, September 22nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Question for WS's....

My WH and I are working through R now and it's going well. I still have a lot of bad days, getting lost in my hurt and anger and fears. It affects him very much and brings him way down too. He knows he is the source of my pain and it hurts him deeply to see me that way. He's kind to me on those days and loving and he helps me get back up again.

I know that I lose sight of his pain because I'm so blinded by my own. He usually stays down for day or two and I don't know how to help him get back up again too.

So my questions to you all are this....What did your BS do that helped you get through this? What would you have liked to have seen or heard? What would have helped you heal?


Me - BS (37) - Stronger & Wiser, Cautiously off the fence
Him - WH (38) - Earning his F
Daughter (2) - Light of our lives
Together 12yrs, Married 10, Friends for 20+
D-day 2.5.11
Attempting to find each other again

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stilllovinghim
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Default  Posted: 2:16 PM, September 23rd (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Numb:
how did you view your BS when they made the decision to R ? Or how did the decision to R impact your view of them ?

I always knew my H was more loving & understanding & willing to forgive than myself. This proved it 1000 fold.

Did you see them as strong ? Did you see them as humble ? Did it make you appreciate their character more/less ?

I always saw my H as strong & humble, even more so when he gave me the gift of R. It made me appreciate his character even more & it reminded me of all the wonderful reasons why I married him in the first place.

Lastly if you did not feel like you deserved a chance at R was there anything that helped you work through those thoughts ? Anything in particular your BS said or Did ?

I didn't feel I deserved anything but to live in a hole for the rest of my life. What helped was seeing his love & determination for me as well as seeing the changes I was making in myself. I can't exactly pinpoint one specific thing, but boy did I ever see the love of Christ in my husband. Not trying to say my H is Christ, just that I saw the love magnified through him. Sorry if I took this on a religious journey.


Broken:

What did your BS do that helped you get through this? What would you have liked to have seen or heard? What would have helped you heal?

What really helped for me was my BS being patient and not calling me names. My self-esteem couldn't get any lower and when my esteem is low, I shut off completely...which is one of the contributing factors of my A. So for my H to listen, really listen like he never had before. For him to be loving towards me & not calling me names but showing me compassion and concern, I would have never opened up like I did & would have just sunk lower & wouldn't have made any self improvement.

I know the BS can't do all the work for the WS, but to have a sense of safety & love really does help when opening up. Also, my BH handing me the reigns to heal himself did a lot IMO for us both. The BS spends too much time trying to fix their WS when they should focus on themselves. There's nothing wrong in wanting to help or helping, just make sure YOUR still focusing on yourself & not entirely on your WS.


“You have a choice. Live or die.Every breath is a choice. Every minute is a choice. Every time you don't throw yourself down the stairs, that's a choice. Every time you don't crash your car, you re-enlist.”
― Chuck Palahniuk, Survivor

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smthnew
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Default  Posted: 4:47 PM, September 23rd (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Well, we are in R. But today I may not be anymore. Once I started learning about A's I felt my WH had to discover "why" he did it. Soul search.
He hasn't really done that. So I asked him does he think he has to figure this out, what was broken in him. He said our marriage was broken basically because we both worked, we didn't have sex as much as he wanted, and we really weren't communicating. So his answer to us working hard trying to support our family was to spend "time" with OW, instead of me. Instead of coming home on his breaks, he went to see them.

I can't accept this as the reason. It scares me to think he destroyed me and his family because we worked too much. Mind you he just started working consistently 12 mths before the A's but he was also being very inappropriate before then.

He seems ok with this explanation. I don't want to be married to someone that can blow up 21 years because we worked too much and for 12 mths may not have been as close. Still loving and supportive, but not as close. No other reason.

Is it ever just that simple? And if so, what kind of person am I married to? Or is there always something deeper when the person is a good person and really does love you? Does my WH just not want to do the hard work of discovering his soul?

I feel IF there is more, deeper reasons, without knowing it he is more likely to cheat. I feel IF this is it, I married a morally corrupt man.

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Married my soul mate who, when I wasn't looking, crushed my soul.
Me - 40
Him - 40
DDay - July 1, 2011
Married - 13
Together 21
2 children, 9 and 12
Got an email one fateful day from OW1 that changed my life forever.
R'ing

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Default  Posted: 8:29 AM, September 24th (Saturday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

smithnew,

You obviously know your WH's character better than any of us would ever be able to. So, really, it's your call about that. All I can do is give you my perspective.

Basically you are saying that your WH isn't meeting one of your requirements, but the way you describe it is very wishy-washy. You're pretty new to all this, so you may not have found your footing yet. If you are approaching certain things with your WH when you aren't sure of yourself, then he will very likely take advantage of that and blameshift the whole situation instead of taking full responsibility for his actions. And that is exactly what he is doing with this statement.

He said our marriage was broken basically because we both worked, we didn't have sex as much as he wanted, and we really weren't communicating. So his answer to us working hard trying to support our family was to spend "time" with OW, instead of me. Instead of coming home on his breaks, he went to see them.

Don't accept this reason of his. It ain't the reason. And what do you mean that he was very inappropriate before that?

Of course he is going to be okay with this explanation. He has talked you into accepting some of the blame.

Often times there may be a simple answer to all of this for the WS. It is much more likely than there is something deeper that the WS has spent a lifetime learning to avoid or cope with. Finding what that is will be very difficult and scary for the WS. Sometimes it is so difficult and scary that the WS will sacrifice everything to not address it.

I think that most WS, at least here on SI, are really great people who never imagined that they would find themselves in this situation. Yes, there are predators and serial cheaters who know what they are doing. But I think those are somewhat rare.

So it is up to you whether or not you believe your WH is morally corrupt, or whether the man you thought you married is still in there and just needs help in getting out. Either way, you probably need to be prepared to play some hardball first. That way you will learn about the strength that you have inside yourself.

[This message edited by BaxtersBFF at 8:30 AM, September 24th (Saturday)]


WH - 44
BW - gerrygirl

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smthnew
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Default  Posted: 1:19 PM, September 24th (Saturday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((Baxters)))Thanks for the response. By inappropriate I mean FB communications to different women that were flirtatious and sexual. One started 2 years ago. I couldn't tell there was anything more than the messages. But he asked her if she like to Blow and she was sending him pics of her and he was sending pics of himself.

I guess I thought I knew him. 21 years, but now I don't know that I know him at all. Many other people (these women on FB) knew things about my H I had no idea.

I'm not sure how you got that I am being wishy washy but I can imagine I am since I am feeling like a lunatic. I am trying to be consistent with what I ask and make it easy for him to follow the path back to marriageville...but who knows.

He did ask that I stop telling him the things I need and let him just do it his way. So that's where we are. If nothing else it took the burden off me to fix this for him.


Married my soul mate who, when I wasn't looking, crushed my soul.
Me - 40
Him - 40
DDay - July 1, 2011
Married - 13
Together 21
2 children, 9 and 12
Got an email one fateful day from OW1 that changed my life forever.
R'ing

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Default  Posted: 8:07 AM, September 25th (Sunday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

smithnew,

I guess by wishy-washy, maybe it is just more being uncertain, which is completely understandable at this point.
Your questions led me to believe that you were starting to get sucked into your WH's world and therefore allowing him to not do the hard work.

I will tell you that I tried playing this card - He did ask that I stop telling him the things I need and let him just do it his way. So that's where we are. - and based on experience, I have to ask "How's that workin' for ya?"

If a WS came to SI and said this in the Wayward forum, they would get a lot of other WS telling them to get over themselves, or possibly not very many responses other than "we'll be here when you figure out that your way won't work" or something like that. I know for myself, I always thought I was unique, that I had to do things differently and standout. Well, no, turns out I was full of shit. Turns out that the best advise is to listen to what everyone else here says and then do that.

So, I guess, back the wishy-washy thing, while some of the burden has been taken off you by allowing him to figure it out his own way, it is very likely that he will fail. You have an option though. I would suggest that instead of getting into the drivers seat of whatever vehicle you and your WH are in right now, that instead, you get into an entirely new vehicle and tell your WH he can either get in with you or not.


WH - 44
BW - gerrygirl

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(((Baxters)))good points. It's only been a week "his way" and it is already awful. No asking me how I am doing, instead he asks "how was your day" to me totally different questions. He walks around like everything is normal. He's not coming to bed with me to sleep when he is home. I think it is the emotional support I am missing. He is doing all the more obvious stuff right. I think part of him doing it his way led to today...I just fell apart. Cried like I was having a nervous breakdown. Everything came back (not that it has completely left) but it made me ? whether I should even suffer this pain for a M he evidently didn't cherish. So "his way" doesn't feel very good.


Married my soul mate who, when I wasn't looking, crushed my soul.
Me - 40
Him - 40
DDay - July 1, 2011
Married - 13
Together 21
2 children, 9 and 12
Got an email one fateful day from OW1 that changed my life forever.
R'ing

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Default  Posted: 10:51 AM, September 26th (Monday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Question for any WS,
I just moved out of our house after 3 months of false R and lots of cake eating & fence sitting.

My WH when trying to explain to him that I will not live with 3 people in a marriage, proceeded to run the board on emotions. From anger, blaming, crying, desperation to don't care. I don't understand where it all comes from or what it means.

He tells me in almost tears that he wants our marriage & family but he's trying to not "hurt" anyone. Well I understand that is probably BS, that he's just trying to keep cake-eating.

The question really is, why all the different emotions and what do they mean? And maybe I am trying to make something logical that really isn't it.


BS 53
WH 53
M 31 yrs together 39 yrs
DDay1 04/26/2011 LTA
DDay2 06/12/2011
OW - Co-worker whore
3 Adult Children
5 Grand Children
06/25/2011 False R
Preparing for D, hoping for real R

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Default  Posted: 12:24 PM, September 26th (Monday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Shell_Shocked,

The range of emotions may be genuine for a fence-sitter. He may not truly know what HE wants because no one, you or OW, is giving him an easy way out. I think that's also what he means when he says he doesn't want to "hurt" anyone. Most of all, he doesn't want to be the bad guy in anything.

He could also be testing to see which one works best on you and which will keep you in the picture for when OW drops him.

If he wants out of the A, he knows he needs the clean break and NC. You're not letting him waffle on that and he is second guessing himself.

Stand strong to your requirements. Either he comes around in time or he doesn't. You will be strong and ready for your life.


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Default  Posted: 1:32 PM, September 26th (Monday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

wwnomore I am guessing you may be right on him not wanting to be the bad guy & which one will keep me around somewhat. Because through most of the emotions other than the "angry defiant" one he swears he wants our marriage & doesn't inderstand how he put us in this sich.

And no I can't understand how he did that either. And I know he has to have feelings, after all it is a LTA. I guess my biggest fear is he's going to try fence sitting a little too long. I told him time is running out but I don't think he believes me.


BS 53
WH 53
M 31 yrs together 39 yrs
DDay1 04/26/2011 LTA
DDay2 06/12/2011
OW - Co-worker whore
3 Adult Children
5 Grand Children
06/25/2011 False R
Preparing for D, hoping for real R

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Default  Posted: 9:07 AM, September 27th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Shell_Shocked,

As a fence sitter, he thinks he has the best of both worlds right now and wants to keep it that way. Picture an upside down triangle. It takes you and OW to prop him up. He doesn't want to lose either of you, because he will crash and burn. But, he HAS to decide. He has to crash and work to build himself back up. He has to make a choice. If he cannot chose, someone else will have to decide for him. YOU are not willing to live with 3 in the M. You prove that every single day with the 180 and by living your life.

Stay strong for you. Enjoy those grandkids every chance you get. If he's too late it is HIS loss.


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Default  Posted: 10:04 AM, September 27th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

wwnemore,
What I can't understand is when I have to go there, trying to get some things done so maybe we can show the house. Anyway he stands there so "sad" and then cries, I still show no emotion or as little as possible. And I know I should just not say anything but I did tell him last night "Look I know you don't want to be the bad man but you are going to have to be one way or another", that made him mad. So I told him OK I'm leaving see ya later. So then he was sad again as I left.
For crying out loud why can he just not DO SOMETHING? Sorry if I am being dense but I really don't get it!

My Grandkids is really what gets me by. I am staying with my daughter (he has no idea where I am staying and that is running him crazy in itself) and she has 3 and they are fantastic! If not for my kids and grandkids I can not even imagine getting through this at all.

And once again thanks for your thoughts and words of encouragement.


BS 53
WH 53
M 31 yrs together 39 yrs
DDay1 04/26/2011 LTA
DDay2 06/12/2011
OW - Co-worker whore
3 Adult Children
5 Grand Children
06/25/2011 False R
Preparing for D, hoping for real R

Posts: 67 | Registered: Aug 2011 | From: Midwest
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Default  Posted: 10:49 AM, October 4th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

To WSs: I've read that WSs have to deal with their own triggers. Could you tell me of one or two of your triggers and how that creates pain in the pit of your stomach?

I know what a BS triggers about.

"I hate that hotel because that's where they met."

"I don't like new Friend B because she reminds me of old Friend A who was a friend of the affair."

"Please don't associate with your old coworkers who knew about the A."

I honestly don't know what causes a WS to trigger and what happens when they do.


Me: BBF
Her: WGF

DDay: November 20, 2010
Currently working on R


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