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User Topic: Long Term Affair Part 24
honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 10:57 PM, April 5th (Tuesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Status: D/S.
According to WH we are D, but not legally. We did talk a bit today, he said it was up to me if I wanted to make it legal or not or who I wanted to tell. He said he didn't tell anyone yet and wasn't planning to.

We have more to talk about, but I feel less anxious now. He hasn't changed his mind about how we were to do the finances and seems more open to talk in a few days about it.

A few things were said that helped me toward a closure. I told him that my IC often told me that feelings are feelings and you have a right to them, but that doesn't always mean they reflect the truth, for example when I said once I didn't think my father loved me.

I asked WH if he respected me, and he said yes, and I said that his actions, lying, deceiving, cheating, etc. made me feel he didn't respect me. I told him that although he feels my small wrist smack (which was more symbolic and hurt his pride than anything) and me looking at his phone, etc did not mean I didn't respect him. I really don't care whether he agreed or not or really heard me, but I felt good to say it.

Later, I told him very sincerely, that we always knew deep down that we shouldn't get married, but we loved each other so much, we tried anyway. We tried to make something work that can't work. I told him that he could always still trust me. He looked like he was going to cry at that and said he knew.

This is true. I am my name. I would never screw him, but will stick up for myself and my kids. I also want to make sure he remembers who I am. I know that he doesn't really trust anyone, but I believe he does trust me more than anyone. This will work in my favor so he doesn't try to up the ante and expect me to do something horrible. And I'm not. Just what I deserve.

I told him that I was between wanting to shake him and hugging him and he said he just felt numb.

That's how I feel right now too. Just tired out like I've run a long marathon. Less anxious.

Thank you everyone.

Nofun: That is horrible news. I'd be shaking too.

The only thing I would suggest is for you to sit down and have a heart to heart talk with your son. See how your DS feels about what happened. Perhaps there are more things that your WH has done. I wouldn't confront your WH right now. Gather info first.

Talk to your other children and see if WH has done any unusual things like this with them.

This is like a dday, Nofun and I'm so sorry. Vent here, discuss it here and then when you are calm, you will know what to do.

{{{{Nofun}}}

Allgood: Hang in there as much as possible. Believe me, I know how hard it is right now for you. I did it with first xWH for 3 months after he announced he was leaving and I asked him to stay until after Christmas for the kids. I'm doing it again, and it hurts like hell.

I think your original plan to wait until the summer is good. Let the kids finish up the school year and concentrate on that. During the summer you will be working with them on new schedules and visitation with thier father, etc and that will be enough for them to handle without worrying about HW, tests, etc. By the time Sept. comes, the new routine may be established and it will be easier on them.

Try to plan new things to do with the kids during the summer and keep their home schedules as consistent as possible.

Detach as much as you can and don't put any more energy in even being angry at your WH.

Miracle: WE were cross posting.
Good for you to look into nursing. It's something that you will be very good at and can enjoy. I'm sorry you felt hurt about pfm.
PM for you.

Hugs to everyone.

[This message edited by honesttoafault at 11:11 PM, April 5th (Tuesday)]


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nofun
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Honest - I was worried about you. Glad you had a talk and are feeling less anxious.

IWant - Nursing school is wonderful. I'm excited for you. I'm disappointed in pfm though. Even though I know what your plans are, there was always this small hope that pfm would come through. Thanks for the advice, I had to sleep on it and now I'm ready to talk to my son and then H.

Does anybody else feel like they have wasted their life by marrying who they did? I hate feeling like this. And I know in my heart that I have a good life, with one exception (FWH). Just can't seem to shake the pity party for myself today.

Thanks tribe.


BS (me) 56
WH 61
M 36 yrs
OW - 55 - Howdy Doody Look Alike
3 Awesome Adult C
DD 6/7/09
LTA 12 years.
Confused: D or R???

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honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 6:48 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nofun, there is no pity party. You just learned something about your WH that has shaken you up and understandably so.

I have often thought of the "shoulda's, coulda's" in regard to whether or not I'd have married current(x)WH. My oldest son has said many times that I have the younger ds's so I should never be sorry about it.

I hope I can have your attitude, Nofun feeling that I've had a good life. So much of it was spent feeling hurt, that I don't know if that was me being too sensitive and not strong enough or whatever.....

Talk to you guys later.


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Default  Posted: 7:11 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Does anybody else feel like they have wasted their life by marrying who they did?

raises hand

Not all of it, but certainly much of our family life. I do wonder what it would have been like married to a woman who did not project her own anger onto me. Who could share intimate feelings. Who could see some shades of gray and not just black and white. For whom sex was an act of renewal rather than an ordeal to get through. My life was going OK when I M FWW. Now 20 years later kids are mostly out of the house and I wonder what I want for the next (last) 20 years. I think I would like to spend it with my view of a healthy FWW, but I do not know if she will ever become healthy enough, or be the person I expect/hope. I am glad that she is no longer taking me down with her.


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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Default  Posted: 7:35 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sorry for my last post....big pity party...Sometimes I think if I knew then what I knew now I wouldn't have married my H....but then I think of my wonderful boys and I know I didn't waste my life marrying my H....no matter how bad it hurts now. Taking a break....best of luck to you all...

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Default  Posted: 7:43 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nofun - How awful for you to learn this "new" information about your WH! It breaks my heart to think of him putting your son in that position.....I can only imagine how you must feel. No pity part.....you have just learned something earth-shattering about the man that you are married to. Even without the spectre of a LTA hovering over your relationship, this kind of news would rock anyone's world. In many ways you are back to square 1. The good news is that since you've been here before you know how to hunker down and take care of yourself. There's a difference between feeling sorry for yourself and feeling sadness and despair for the situation that you are in. (((nofun)))

Honest - It sounds like you and WH were able to have a calm, relatively rational conversation. I say relatively b/c he truly has irrational expectations of M....at least as far as M in this country is concerned. Of course you would never screw him over, if you were like that you would have already done it. You didn't and that says volumes about your character.

That I will have to take part in doing this to my kids because of him - well, I hate him for it.
Yeah, Allgood....I hear ya. My kids are grown, except for DS17 still at home, and they know FWH and I are having problems. They just don't know about the LTA. They have my FWH on this huge pedestal and at this point I'm more than ready for him to come down, but I know that it will destroy the image they have had of their father their entire lives. He has preached about things like: honor, integrity, loyalty and they are truly taken his teachings to heart. How are they going to feel about his "Do as I say, not as I do." message now?? But like honest, I'm not a person that is good at hiding things. I wear my emotions on my sleeve for all to see and the effort it is taking to act "normal" is exhausting. So many of you here know what I'm talking about. Make no mistake...I completely blame FWH for the pain that our children will endure because of his selfishness and ego. Phew...that got me going this morning.

Miracle - You go girl!! Study up on that algebra and you can rock that exam! True story....I decided to go into nursing, not because I feel the need to lay hands on sick people, but because I new that it was a profession where I could always get a job and take care of myself and/or my kids if I needed to. Well, guess what? I guess that time is here. And there is some degree of comfort knowing that I can get a full-time job tomorrow if/when I need to. I will have to work hard to re-enter the clinical world, but it can be done and I will. As for pfm's reaction....he's an a$$. Plain and simple.

Scared - Hang in ther honey! We've all been or are in the place that you are at. You know that there is no getting around it, you have to go through it to get to the other side. You knew you couldn't stay on that table, but you did take a breather now and again. Take that breather now. Take the time to grieve for the M that you thought you had. You are hurting so much right now and if your WH can't help you through that then that should tell you something.

njgal - I wish I had taken the stand that you did after DDay. I dithered around, not making any major decisions and I think that has only hurt me more. By my acting "normal" it gave FWH the impression that everything was fine. He's upset that months later I'm telling him that it is not FINE and in fact is F-ed up! He has already started the "I did what you said and you're still not happy, so it's not my fault if we D." The sad thing is that I can live with that because I know, like honest, that I did NOT do anything to deserve this. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. I will accept my part of the responsibility for the problems in our M, but I also initiated MC during that time and after a few sessions FWH decided that it wasn't working for him. Hmmm, wonder why?? I guess his GF was doing a better job of making him feel better about his M than the MC and I were!

njgal - How did you tell your kids? And how did they react? How do they treat your FWH?

Thinking of the Tribe.


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SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 7:44 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Scared - I was just getting ready to post a reply to you.

My heart is breaking for the loss of your first son. I am so sorry for your loss, that was very traumatizing to you and will always be painful for you. (((Scared)))

It is okay to have a pity party once in awhile, we need to do that, we just cannot wallow in pity.

Please do not take a big break, you are always welcome here to vent, to have a pity party, to ask questions.

See you soon!


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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Default  Posted: 8:42 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I was trying to come up with a label for me when I noticed that Allgood labeled me as R. I can agree with that except I would make it a sometimes pretty screwed up R.

fun.

You got good advice from everyone about what to do about your H and the shoplifting. I may have missed something. Did anyone tell you that cutting your H's throat was not the thing to do?

honest.

Your H feels numb? It is all about him. I hope you can get this over with and get on with your life.

ats.

I agree with much of what you said in the last post. I have many of those thoughts.

miracle.

It is good that you are looking at going to school. Don't be discouraged about not scoring high on all things. You will get better. I take it they did not have any tests that graded your ability to ramble.

Laura.

Thanks for the picture. That was really good. Is the guy grilling ats or Deep. It can't be me. My butt is not that big. Or does that outfit make my butt look big?

Tribe. This is a chatty bunch. There has been 8 plus pages since April 1st. You all are posting at a record pace!!

Hugs to the tribe.


Her WW 60
Me BH 60
M 36 yr
D-day#1 fall of 76 OM#1 2NS
D-day#2 summer of 89 OM#2 LTA 8 yrs OM#3 Short Term A


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I'm reading "How Can I Forgive You?" and I submit that (a) it's a really good book. Possibly the BEST read for anyone dealing with a WS who had an LTA. Why? She has these two categories: Acceptance and Genuine Forgiveness. I would say that Dip and UKgirl would be more of an Acceptance R -- they ain't happy it happened, they didn't get what they needed to forgive their ws's per se, but they have (for the most part) processed the impact of the events on themselves, moved forward in their lives, and made the choice to remain in their marriages. This is not exactly a TRUE R in the sense that the M is not completely restored, but it is the best choice for them to make of the choices available to them.

I like this book because it does teach you how to move on without giving cheap forgiveness or being unforgiving -- because reaching that "acceptance" alternative is the best that most of us are going to get with LTA. You can keep the relationship or not, or keep some parts of it and still have an acceptance that feels like a real resolution and allows you to move forward. What would it look like? Well, miracle wouldn't be angry at that smile from pfm. Actually, maybe it looks a lot like honest's post... or like UKG's posts where she says -- I stay because it suits me.

Whereas I see that njgal and tryn have Genuine Forgiveness, and ATS might have the opportunity to reach this too. The difference -- their WS's are busting their butts or have busted them.

See? Anyway, I would recommend this book to everyone here. But, miracle, especially you. Because you are still SO angry. It's not that you don't have every right to be, but it's holding you back from becoming fully detached and from fully moving forward. You're not going to get what is needed for Genuine Forgiveness from pfm -- and you don't want to reconcile anyway -- maybe this would help you move the rest of the way out -- where that smile is just something you roll your eyes at rather than get angry over.

Um -- the question: wasted life? Well, first of all, I'm 35. Kinda young to be in LTA -- especially the 20 year variety -- but I married an older man. At the end of the day though, I must say that any life choice that brought me my children -- these specific children -- never, ever could have been a waste. See? But also, it's a little hard to feel like your life is wasted when you're still young enough to divorce, date, marry again, and still have more children with another spouse. So, in some ways, I have too much life ahead of me for the question to apply.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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Default  Posted: 9:32 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Scared,
I can't even imagine how your heart must have hurt when you had to deliver your angel baby, and yet you found your reason and you did it. I'm so proud of you, and know you can do it again. Enjoy your break; lurk as necessary. We are thinking of you.

You know how sometimes I'm angry and don't notice? Not today.

Going to use my angry energy to get stuff DONE. Then going to buy a few books... one was touted in Recon (How to heal your spouse or something... don't worry, I've got the title around here somewhere) and then all the books that have been talked about here lately. I was hiding out in my mind, reading for pleasure. Probably time to do some more work, though, and put the anger away before I give myself high blood pressure.

(Also, I didn't get to yoga yesterday. Always bad news.)

Peace out, tribe.


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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Default  Posted: 9:57 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Morning all.

Miracle: Good for you with the nursing school. And, I think it's very wise to actually investigate whether something is actually a good fit for your first before plopping down a whole bunch of money on tuition. (I'm sure you will do fine.)

And, yes, Scared - my God, I was so sorry to hear about the baby you lost. I really can't imagine that. I'm so sorry.

Dip: This is what happens when you don't check in - other people will label you. Lol.

In "me" news, I have just put my finger on what I had previously believed was just my sanity slipping away. I see that my H & I will get along for the most part because there is no pressure to be reconciling, no discussing the A, etc. and that makes things a lot easier. So we will get along, then I will be upset that our M is over, then I will get angry, then I will snap over homework and laundry. Takes me 24 hours to calm down, rinse & repeat.
It always makes me feel better to see the reason why something is occuring - especially when the "why" is not that I'm just going crazy.

Ok, off to be a productive member of society now.


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 10:01 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Does anybody else feel like they have wasted their life by marrying who they did?

No, but only because of the children.

If we take the children out of the picture, yes, I wasted alot of time and love on someone who was selfish, self-centered, self absorbed, egocentric and immature.

My needs weren't being met for most of the marriage. I was unhappy with the marriage, but not my life.

I guess I don't feel like I wasted my life as much as I wasted my love.


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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Default  Posted: 10:09 AM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I just want to jump on Miracle's bandwagon here quickly. I've been co-existing, this dead man walking kind of life for just a little over a month now and I can barely tolerated it. That she's still living in the same house as pfm is what is keeping all of this raw. There's no doubt in my mind about that. I don't think she can really be herself again until they actually separate. It's just too hard with it in your face all the time.
Just my 2 cents.


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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Nell - Is the book How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair: A Compact Manual for the Unfaithful by Linda J. MacDonald?

FWH is reading that right now. It is an easy read and less than 100 pages.


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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still: first and foremost i wanted to reach out and tell you how very sorry i am for your loss of that child...there are a few here who have had such losses....

on the date of this and of d-day....both days were your own personal 9/11....your world has you knew was forever changed, you were changed.....so as much as its horrible that intial reaction that it was on the same day mostly because i think you might feel like this put a further insult to the injury kind of thing....where was the honor....well there is no honor in infidelity....and on the flip side, there is only one date that is forever marred for you.....truly a day i would say for remembering what was lost, in unfortunately more ways then one....

ok gots zero time, needed to clarify something...m3....i was not angry i was hurt, and yes allgood being in the same house makes it difficult if not close to impossible .....i am not ready to forgive pfm yet, not by a long shot, i am working towards acceptance....and that may all i ever do, i don't know....i know i would like it to someday be forgiveness but i just know if i would be capable of that....

ok gots to go...

oh and i didn't just score high, i failed miserably....memory sucks for me....you really dont need all of those useless things that were taught way back when....so i am more then rusty i am totally amnesiac on it...


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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Sister,
Is the book affecting your H in any way? (Probably way early to ask... but am asking anyway.)

Miracle,
Yeah, too hard living with crazy. That's why I like the boxing idea. You could picture pfm's face on your opponents, go bat-shit crazy, win all your matches, go pro, get some marketing dollars and retire in style. Or go to nursing school. You know... either way.

Out again. Nell


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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Nell - He just started reading it this morning, he is up to Chapter 4.

He needed to go do some work, so I will see if he continues reading and what the result is.

I hope it is miraculous!


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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miracle, I'm so sorry you were hurt. I just want to see you whole (i'd say again, but when you are, it will be a first for me knowing you.)

I do think acceptance is the best you're going to get to. Probably for me too.

I read that whole book this morning. What a great book -- though it did make me cry in a few places. That's ok. I would recommend that book wholeheartedly!

still -- I too am so sorry for your lost child.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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M333- I read that book too and acceptance is the best I can do also.

I also want to read How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair: A Compact Manual for the Unfaithful by Linda J. MacDonald?

Stronish - I told my adult kids right away. Each one of them had a feeling anyway. They had been talking amongst themselves and one of them decided to sit me down and tell me her suspicions. They now view their father very differently. They love him because he is their father but they are very disappointed in him.

He has preached about things like: honor, integrity, loyalty and they are truly taken his teachings to heart.

My DD28 and DS26 actually called him on this. They said, how dare you!!

Two of my kids expressed maybe needing to speak to a counselor. So it does still bother them and it's been almost 2 years. It is what it is.


BS (me) 56
WH 61
M 36 yrs
OW - 55 - Howdy Doody Look Alike
3 Awesome Adult C
DD 6/7/09
LTA 12 years.
Confused: D or R???

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Default  Posted: 2:59 PM, April 6th (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all

Fun

That truly is a rotten new revelation. So often now I think "Who is he? Who WAS he all those years?" To be honest, there's very little that would surprise me now. That just weren't who we though they were.

Does anybody else feel like they have wasted their life by marrying who they did? I hate feeling like this.

Yep. I feel exactly like this. Often. I love my kids but other than them I would go back and change it all in a heartbeat.

ats

Now 20 years later kids are mostly out of the house and I wonder what I want for the next (last) 20 years.

This is the thing. Wish we all had crystal balls.

((((scared)))))

Losing a child - there's nothing worse

Dip

Thanks for the picture. That was really good. Is the guy grilling ats or Deep. It can't be me. My butt is not that big. Or does that outfit make my butt look big

Not saying - lips are zipped. Couldn't decide which of you boys it was (don't forget DP he also likes to grill). So I deliberately chose not to identify!!!!


About that collage. (1) Be sure and honor Allgood's request. Tank and short shorts. This could be good for the morale of the men here. (2) We need a aardvark. I don't think we have ever had a aardvark at the LTA house.

Those were just for you!

SMS

Nell - Is the book How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair: A Compact Manual for the Unfaithful by Linda J. MacDonald?

M33

I read that whole book this morning. What a great book -- though it did make me cry in a few places. That's ok. I would recommend that book wholeheartedly!

I ordered it a few weeks and am waiting for it to arrive. (long way from yankee land )

((((honest))))

What did the attorney say???

Nurses

Discussion about nursing. Sorry folks can't enter there. All FWHs OWs were nurses. Big trigger for me.

Labels

I've done a little update of the labels. Hope I have them right. Correct me if I'm wrong

Reconciled: NJGal, Tryn, Sister Milkshake, Ats.

Reconciled with reservations: Laura

Reconciled in a screwy way: Dip

On the Fence: M3, Fun,

Limboland: Strongish, Broken Promise, Nell, Scared Still

S/D: Miracle, Allgood, Deep Purple, Honest


Hugs to all the tribe - hope you are having a great day - mine is just starting! Couldn't sleep so got up early to say hi to all.

Laura

[This message edited by Laura28 at 3:06 PM, April 6th (Wednesday)]


Married 30yrs Me BW 57Yrs Him FWH 59yrs
OWzero 1988 EA?/PA? Gaslighted.
Dday May 28 2010.
OW1 1994(6mths PA, EA til dday).
OW2 2002(8yrs PA).
OW3 2009(1Yr PA).
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