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User Topic: Long Term Affair - Part 28
lostsuol
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Default  Posted: 11:27 AM, March 21st (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So much happening in LTA land... I think NoFun summed it up for me:
I'm sad that what I thought I had, I never really did. LTA's suck.

30 years of wedded bliss celebrated and 3 months later life as I knew it changed forever without my being aware of it. Hindsight is so 20-20. Being online was a personal lifeline for me due to the isolation of my chronic health so I never dreamed it would be an enemy in my Hs hands.

MOJO 4 Miracle!!!!! hope it is not too late to be sending this.

Congrats to M3 on the pregnancy news. What a blessing a baby is... a new life, so precious.

Hugs all around. good thing they are virtual cuz I have the crud this week and it is not nice to share.


Posts: 808 | Registered: Feb 2007 | From: Canada
njgal480
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Default  Posted: 5:17 PM, March 21st (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

m33- congratulations!
and congrats on your house sale and on your FWH doing the right thing!
You deserve good things to come your way.

Nell- Sending hugs your way.Hope it all works out the way you had hoped it would.

nofun- So sorry that your WH does not seem to 'get it'.
I need to ask Tryin to create one of his famous artistic statements....
The picture that would describe what a WS needs to do help the BS recover from a LTA is a balance scale....on one side is all of the pain and grief that the WS caused on the other side are all of the amends,the remorse, the loving actions etc. that the WS has to do in order to balance out in his or her favor....

Reconciliation can only happen with a very remorseful FWS that is willing to do anything and everything to try to make it up to the BS.

Miracle- Sending good thoughts your way. So proud of all that you have accomplished in school this year! Way to go!

Honest and Laura- thinking of you and hoping all is well.

Allgood- Keeping you in my prayers.

hugs to all the LTAers.


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


Posts: 3139 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: NJ
UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 5:47 AM, March 22nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just diving in quickly to say –
M33, Wow!!! And Paddy only just two. Congratulations and just make sure you TAKE CARE of yourself! More change in the m33 household!

(((((LIBM))))) Some great postings. I can only offer hugs. And an assurance it will get better. And that you are still in yr2, the trough year, I look at some of the stuff I wrote during that time and it was very dark and I consider myself to be a very even tempered person, so reading it from the here and now is quite scary. Those questions? Asked exactly the same of myself. It will get better.

And has anyone read that posting about the selfish and the self sacrificers?
http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=448711
Rang some bells for me. Oh well. It’s hard to be selfish when you have been used to giving and putting yourself last, thinking that was the best way to be loved. Nothing was too much trouble. And I ended up being pissed on. And now fWH is making me feel itchy. Can’t place my finger on exactly what, but there is a niggling something out of sorts.

Off for the weekend to see DS3 & gf, so looking forward to that and fWH taking a back seat for a change…..

Rushing out again…….

eta for the link

[This message edited by UKgirl at 5:50 AM, March 22nd (Thursday)]


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
m334455
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Default  Posted: 3:52 PM, March 22nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks everyone! I'm still surprised. I didn't have a cycle at all in 2011 and my Mom went through menopause early so I just assumed I was done; and my OB had warned me as well, especially given all my past losses. Anyway, hoping for the best. One thing I've learned over the past few years is to be happy when I'm happy and not borrow any trouble.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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old dipstick
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Default  Posted: 4:08 PM, March 22nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M3

Congratulations. So Baby Paddy is going to make the change from baby to big sister! I bet she will have fun with that new role.


Her WW 60
Me BH 60
M 36 yr
D-day#1 fall of 76 OM#1 2NS
D-day#2 summer of 89 OM#2 LTA 8 yrs OM#3 Short Term A


Posts: 751 | Registered: Sep 2009
deeppurple
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Default  Posted: 6:05 PM, March 22nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M33 Congratulations.Take care of yourself.

cheers

Deep


Me - BS 49
Her - WS 43
Married 16 yrs (together 17 yrs)
DD13 DS10 DS8 DS6
DDay 1 6.4.2010 dday 2 7.25.2010
Heading for divorce.
"Never look down on someone unless you are helping them up"

Posts: 522 | Registered: Jun 2010 | From: Where the sun is shining & the surf is pumping
WheredoIgonow
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Default  Posted: 6:44 PM, March 22nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Reconciliation can only happen with a very remorseful FWS that is willing to do anything and everything to try to make it up to the BS.

And what if a pretty darn good guy - who's done quite a bit in this category (including NC since the beginning)but I wouldn't say he's gone above and beyond trying to make it up to me.

I might have brushed this off in the pre-A days, but my expectations are higher... I've told him this numerous times..

And not acting aloof.. he kind of brushes it off. I think he feels more content and happy in our relationship now. And I think he knows he has it pretty good (and always has). But on the other hand, the Affairs (well at least the last one where he fell hard and thought she was his soul mate) IMO killed his real desire and specialness for me. When I talk about this occassionally, he looks at me like I'm crazy.. He doesn't comfort me and fill me with assurances.. He doesn't say much actually. Though maybe I expect too much.

I just want to feel loved, cherished, special - and that he REALLY wants to be with me forever.

He doesn't express to me now that he can't say that (which he did in the early months becuase he was so confused). But he likes saying something like, "well as long as we are getting along.... everything is fine". I hate that when he says that... and I tell him that. That doesn't sound very secure or committed.

And when I say, well this would be a great time for you to say...."xxxxx" and put your arm around me and tell me how much you love me, he says - well didn't I say that??

I feel so low at those moments. But after I get it off my chest, I do feel better. I almost feel guilty that I felt that low and told him so. It scares me that I can feel that low - when my life is pretty darn good.


Me; BS (54)
Him: WS (56)
Married 29 years
DD-28, DS-26, DS-18, DS-16
OW#1 - PA - 4 1/2 years
OW#2 - EA/PA - 5 months
He thought she was his soulmate - was going to move out- confessed about OW#2 when asked. OW#1 revealed them.

Posts: 605 | Registered: Jan 2010
njgal480
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Default  Posted: 8:14 PM, March 22nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

wheredo I go-
That's what I mean....
the WS do not realize how much damage the LTA has done to BS self esteem and how much reassurance we need.
We do need over the top attention etc.
For some reason my FWH has realized this or maybe its just his way of dealing with everything that has happened...
so he does go way out of his way to say and do things that are very romantic etc.

and...even with him doing all of that I can still trigger.

so I 'get' what you are going through.

Has your FWH gone to IC? have you?
what about MC?
That might be where you could bring this up?


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


Posts: 3139 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: NJ
WheredoIgonow
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Default  Posted: 1:03 AM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

njgal480 -

Thanks. I know you know what I'm feeling.. it's hard to explain to anyone - and sometimes I don't get it myself.

Yes. He did IC for over a year and the same for our MC. It was good for us... and I think it really made him think and allowed me to try and explain how I felt - and then the MC reinforcing what I was saying.

We both got to a point where we weren't sure if we were getting a lot out of it. Though, I think my FWH would have really benefited from continue IC - just because he has some ongoing FOO issues/challenges.. and self esteem issues.

We hae talked about going back to our MC for some "refresher" sessions - and he seems open to that. If he would quit traveling so much, maybe we could schedule a few sessions.

It's hard for me to somewhat "ask" what I need from him. I'm generally NOT a needy person and usually pretty darn confident. But I definitely need doses of re-assurance - and yes from HIM. I think he hears me - and I'm not sure if he knows how - or just doesn't "feel" it like how I want it.

Its funny, sometimes in the distant past, he would be over the top nice and loving - to the point I felt almost smothered. Now I look at myself and can't believe how much I want some of that now.

Thanks again for your thoughts and understanding.


Me; BS (54)
Him: WS (56)
Married 29 years
DD-28, DS-26, DS-18, DS-16
OW#1 - PA - 4 1/2 years
OW#2 - EA/PA - 5 months
He thought she was his soulmate - was going to move out- confessed about OW#2 when asked. OW#1 revealed them.

Posts: 605 | Registered: Jan 2010
cdnmommy
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Default  Posted: 1:11 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hello all.

Well, fWH's last day of work is today. He went to turn in his laptop and paperwork, and I'm sure they've already cut off his access, so he is officially unemployed. I mentioned before that the economy here is good, and so finding a job won't be a big problem, but figuring out what he wants to do next might be. I'm encouraging him to take a couple of months, at least until the school year is over, to ensure we dont have to scramble for someone to drive our son to preschool and decide what path he wants to follow.

He sent me a message when he arrived at the office this morning, saying he was feeling pretty good about it. He followed it up with "you're the best." I replied with a smiley face, but what I wanted to say was, "Always have been." :)

I posted in general about my latest IC appointment: http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=449801

We focused mostly on my feelings of shame and my self-flagellation over 1) not seeing/acknowledging the signs of fWH's LTA and 2) staying in my marrriage when I always said I would leave immediately if he cheated. It was another good session. Maybe not as mind-blowing as the first one as I now know what to expect but it was nice to have that feeling of confidence that I have good judgement to go along with my brain knowing that I have good judgement.

WheredoIgo: I really struggle with asking as well. I have always been okay with expressing what I need, but whre I get frustrated is when I blatantly tell him and he still freezes. It's like I've written him a fucking map (sorry for the language) and he refuses to look at it. Thankfully those instances are getting fewer, but it happened last weekend and I was briefly ready to throw in the towel because of it.

I do find it terribly frustrating that he seems to think that because I have a good few days, or couple of weeks, that we're somehow out of the woods. In his head he knows, and articulates, that setbacks happen because of the depth and breadth of the deception, but it's almost like he holds out hope that any day now, it's going to be the day when everything just is all better. I'm sure that day will come, but it won't be sudden and I don't think it will happen until we have spent at least as much time in true R as he did in the LTA. I would love for it to be sooner, but I am too realistic.


Me: BW
DDay: Oct 2010 + 6 weeks false R
2.5 (+?) year A with married coworker/my "friend"
1 great kid.
Reconciling and healing

Posts: 1683 | Registered: Nov 2010
worst-year-ever
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Default  Posted: 2:01 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hey everyone....

Feeling down today, triggery mess.

So, not only did fWH have an affair with OW for over 3 years, they actually had and celebrated their anniversary. And of course he lied to me about all of that, then TT'd it out over months and months.

Their "anniversary" is coming up, and it makes me want to vomit. Seriously.

I told him this, and his response is that it means nothing to him. It's just a day.

No f-ing way.

It's the day he celebrated his sick relationship with her...and it was very much a relationship, even if he doesn't want to admit it.

He is perfectly content to tell not just me and his therapist that it was only about sex, but I'm pretty sure he's convinced of that too.

Except he saw her on many days where they didn't have sex. He took our kids around her just to spend more time with her, clearly not having sex then. He shared everything in his life, his successes and failures, his funny stories, his daily monotony with her before me.

This was a relationship. She was his girlfriend, then his fiancee (when he proposed with my ring, of course).

It may not have been a real and authentic relationship, it may never have existed in the real world, but it was a relationship. Period.

F-buddies don't go out to dinner and buy flowers to celebrate their anniversary.

I need him to see this. It's not "just" a day. It's a symbol of what he saw her as.

His partner.


Me: BW
Him: FWH
4 kids & 20 years together
DD: 7/7/11
OW1: 3yr+ LTA
OW2: My xBFF
Trying to R

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old dipstick
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Default  Posted: 2:12 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It does seem that most WS think that after the BS appears to have a few good weeks, that the miracle cure has happened. When I first joined SI I saw a quote that said something like this.

[On D-day the WS only wants to look at the future, but the BS only wants to look at the past.]

When they see their BS having a good day, they think (hope) that the WS attitude of "lets just move on" has rubbed off onto the BS.


Her WW 60
Me BH 60
M 36 yr
D-day#1 fall of 76 OM#1 2NS
D-day#2 summer of 89 OM#2 LTA 8 yrs OM#3 Short Term A


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Ellejay
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Default  Posted: 2:54 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi there. Just wanted to stop by and give you all some hugs.

((((Tribe)))


Ellejay


Married 25 years now divorced.
D-Day: 20/11/10
Me: 48.5 plus 10% GST
Him: mental age 6 (apologies to all 6 year olds)
Betrayal: Who cares anymore?

Posts: 1073 | Registered: Dec 2010 | From: Adelaide, South Australia
atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 6:19 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

After a bad week at work and a rough few days with FWW I had come to SI to post a maudlin essay justifying my anger and despair. Then Marzipan snapped me out with a funny reply to my thread in General. So instead, have a great weekend all, this is now, that was then, focus on what you can control and ignore the rest. I am taking the boat out tomorrow for the first time in 7 months, $4 gas or not!

Honestly, our past will never be what we wished it would be, there is no rational explanation for our WS’s behavior prior to or soon after dday, and all we can control is us (and even that can be frustrating and difficult).

tryn, with luck I will have a picture of a smoker King and not a snake to post to show you how we fish down south.

m334455, a late congrats to you, although I am happy to be a few years from having all the rug rats out of the house.

honesttoafault, please check in.

ODS, I am looking to either rebuild my grill or replace it. I cannot afford a Green Egg, suggestions?

iwam, how did that test turn out? Did you get your FASA in on time?

Laura Rocks!

Being online was a personal lifeline for me due to the isolation of my chronic health so I never dreamed it would be an enemy in my Hs hands.

lostsoul, yet another example that illustrates the differences between the WS and BS mindset. I disagree with those who say of the WS, there but for the Grace of God go I..., I really believe that the WS and the (non madhatter) BS are wired differently.

njgal, we are 2.5 years post dday. I am holding on to hope that as it was for you, it really is a 4-5 year recovery and that things will get better.

DP, I have been into surf rock lately. Blue Stingrays, Aqua Velvets, Surfballistics, Blue Lava Lounge, etc. As a surf pumping kind a guy, any other suggestions?

UKgirl, slow down, please.

Ellejay, thanks for the hug. ((Ellejay))

w-y-e,

He is perfectly content to tell not just me and his therapist that it was only about sex, but I'm pretty sure he's convinced of that too.

See my reply to a post in JFO about was it just sex. I think it really was. I do not believe (Tryn, quit reading here) that you can sustain a LTA if there is love.

--Ats

[This message edited by atsenaotie at 6:30 PM, March 23rd (Friday)]


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

Posts: 3967 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: FL
strongish
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Default  Posted: 6:50 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh my...it's been a while since I've been here. In some ways so much has happened since I was here in LTA-land and in other ways little has changed. I'm not divorced yet, had hoped to be done with that before the end of 2011 but it was not to be. WH dragged his feet and then in Jan. found out WH had been sleeping with the wife of a couple we are acquainted with. Apparently she is a flight attendant and they coordinated their schedules so that they could have the same lay-overs (pun intended). I found out b/c the OW's husband was trying to contact me. It reopened wounds that were starting to heal and I decided that day that I was going to be a lot less passive about the divorce. So, 2 months later we are now in the collaborative divorce process and I am holding out for some financial pieces that I had been willing to pass on. Not now!! In the end, WH did me a favor by solidifying for me that I am so much better off with him OUT of my life!

My oldest is still deployed aboard a ship in the middle east, DD is working part-time until she starts Air Force intel school, DS18 will graduate on June 1st. The house is on the market after my spending weeks cleaning, repairing, cleaning and moving stuff to get it ready. February was a b-a-d month for me but March is looking better. I started a new job on March 1st (full-time with benefits!!) that so far has been a perfect fit.

My DDay is June 29th and I can't believe that in a few months will be 2 years since that horrible, horrible day. I am so anxious to start over with a new home, new job and a new environment. I am so ready and I try and keep my spirits up by shopping for houses on-line!

I think of you all often and say a little prayer that every day is just a little easier. I'm sure that much has changed for many of you, but no matter what has or hasn't changed, my thoughts are with you.

Strongish


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Laura28
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Default  Posted: 7:49 PM, March 23rd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all

M33 - wonderful

Honest?????????

Ats: Rocks? Thanks

Strong so wonderful to hear from you. So great to hear you sounding good.

Everyone: Saw this on general last night but it has now slipped to page two. Very interesting reading:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=449924


Gotta run

HUGS to all

BBL

Laura


Married 30yrs Me BW 57Yrs Him FWH 59yrs
OWzero 1988 EA?/PA? Gaslighted.
Dday May 28 2010.
OW1 1994(6mths PA, EA til dday).
OW2 2002(8yrs PA).
OW3 2009(1Yr PA).
Others???? Status: Not Divorcing..but.."You can't unfuck the goat"

Posts: 2729 | Registered: Jul 2010 | From: Australia
deeppurple
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Default  Posted: 6:38 AM, March 24th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ats - as you know I like my music with a harder edge - the following maybe a little hard to access in yr neck of the woods but who knows - The Break; The Atlantics & Martin Cilia.Great listening buddy & even better live.

WW wrote her SUV off today - in hospital for most of the nite as she was checked over - all ok - while i was concerned for her - i dont feel any depth of love for her what so ever. Wouldnt even call her a friend - doesnt pop my rivets for me anymore - donjt know what to feel anymore but i know the kids are turning on her & that saddens me.

take care tribe

DP


Me - BS 49
Her - WS 43
Married 16 yrs (together 17 yrs)
DD13 DS10 DS8 DS6
DDay 1 6.4.2010 dday 2 7.25.2010
Heading for divorce.
"Never look down on someone unless you are helping them up"

Posts: 522 | Registered: Jun 2010 | From: Where the sun is shining & the surf is pumping
trynhard
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Default  Posted: 7:29 AM, March 24th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Dp.. Take these words of encouragement to take action!
i dont feel any depth of love for her what so ever.
Life is too short to waste. Move on brother. Dig deep with courage. Your fears are way overblown. Go get your lion back! By staying, you are not being moral. Do not allow this darkest day of your life stay dark. Come out into the light because real love awaits you. Your kids will respect you for leaving an unfaithful woman. When you stay, you teach them how to accept the unacceptable. You are teaching your kids anti-love. A beautiful woman is waiting for you, to bring you happiness, to teach your kids that there are good woman in this world. Learn from what you have done and choose to love the next woman the way a man is supposed to love a woman.

Love her every day with words that build her up. Everyday. Love her with no expectations of sex in return, she will give it to you when you are loving. Love her by leading her with positive, confident, Godly, unabashed actions. Love her with trust, truth, and commitment. Lover her with good touch, shared task, shared responsibility.

Allow your fate to be in the hands of God. Stay and love your wife, or allow her to make the choice to leave. Show us who you really are, a man of real masculinity, the man of strength I know you are! No more planning.. Take the leap!


Wife,

We married each other to enjoy life togather. We both need to be happy.

I am going going to fix this problem for the both of us.

I am going to file divorce.

If you decide to be my wife, then I will start loving you again. You make the choice to love only me and all that means. My eyes are open.

Now, this is happening this week, so get your head in the frame of mind an make the choice. The clocking is ticking. Divorce takes "x" months.


Peace DP...

[This message edited by trynhard at 7:45 AM, March 24th (Saturday)]


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needtofindwhoiam
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Default  Posted: 9:11 AM, March 24th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

AGGGG!! THIS SUCKS!!

First of all, tomorrow is my birthday and I feel like I have to pretend to be happy all the time so as not to upset my H. If I get upset about anything he will spiral into a depression about how he has done so many things all week long to make it special for me and say he shouldn't bother and mutter some suicidal crap. I'm supposed to "go easy on him" because he is bipolar and starting new meds.

What really set me off today was that we got an invite to go the pool with some friends. I told him about it and he said that he didn't want to go. I asked him why and he said that there might be a certain person there.

I am so sick of having to not live my life completely because of this (female dog). For years H tried to control where I would go, discouraging me from doing activities for fear that she would be there (I was totally oblivious to the reason). She is certainly not avoiding places or modifying her life! I am tired of having to avoid places because of her!

I don't even know what to do. If I did go (H will not), it is such a small area that our kids (who are around the same age) will probably end up talking and avoiding her would be impossible. However if I don't go, there is a possibility that she will try to infiltrate my friends; which has already started happening as she has met some of them at the pool!! And these are some nosy friends (another long story, but unavoidable). In fact, if it weren't for the nosy friends I would totally WANT to go and show her how much hotter I am than her and make HER feel uncomfortable. But I CAN'T because I don't want anybody to know what has happened.

It feels like she is purposefully out to ruin my life. So, now I stew alone in my anger because I don't want to upset my H and have to deal with all that. This sucks. THIS SUCKS!!! I hate that this has happened to me because I DON'T deserve this. But I keep telling myself that nobody can have EVERYTHING and I have the perfect job and the perfect kid... so...

ETA: OW has offered to tell "her side of the story" to my friends recently. I am trying to rationalize that she won't today because her BH will probably be there. And it makes me so mad that I have to even think about these things. I hate talking to my H about it because I am so angry at him for doing this to me and it makes me bitter that he even knows that they are likely to be there.

[This message edited by needtofindwhoiam at 9:43 AM, March 24th (Saturday)]


me 36
WH 38
Daughter 3
Been together 14 years
Dday Aug 3, 2011
LTA on and off almost 4 years

" I have become comfortably numb. "
" The flames are all gone, but the pain lingers on... "
-Pink Floyd


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worst-year-ever
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Default  Posted: 9:37 AM, March 24th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

DP -
Sounds like you've just completely detached emotionally, and I agree with Tryn....it's probably just time to move on.

Everything about it sucks, but there is hope that one day it won't be the thing that consumes so much of your heart.

Wishing you peace this morning.

As for me, fWH is at work, and all the kids are fighting with light sabers in their underwear.


Me: BW
Him: FWH
4 kids & 20 years together
DD: 7/7/11
OW1: 3yr+ LTA
OW2: My xBFF
Trying to R

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