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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 9:01 PM, April 1st (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

With each job he'd brag about how great he was at his job but he'd always end up saying his employers were idiots and he'd leave

Yes, same here. I heard that one boss was so dependent on him and loved what he did so much that (since boss didn't have children) he was grooming Stretch to take over the business. Then it turned out boss was an idiot and couldn't do the job without him and Stretch left to do his own version of boss's job and three years later 6 figures of debt and a bankrupted business and personal financial disaster.

Several versions of this throughout the marriage.

Now of course Stretch isn't working.

He's far more "successful" in his mind than in reality.

@QUIETSTORM - welcome.


Me: 43, independent, happy, despite co-parenting with a lower muppet
FT "Stretch" (and Skew!) ;)
DS 12 DS 9
S 5/2010
D 12/2012

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sadtoo
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Default  Posted: 3:24 PM, April 2nd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I read that most NPD's are very successful in the work place.

I think this is the difference between being "narcissistic" and having the full-blown disorder.

Being highly successful in the work place almost "requires" being somewhat "narcissistic" or even VERY narcissistic.

But there is a fine line between "very narcissistic" and having the full blown disorder.

Someone who is in reality brilliant in their field and is arrogant about it, actually has something to back up their attitude.

An NPD is mostly smoke and mirrors. They may have "some" of the qualifications he/she claims, but they make up or exaggerate the rest. The NPD rides on the coattails of other's success and claims that success as their own. They make false statements such as, "I am really running the company and will take over as soon as so and so is fired."

Then the NPD ends up fired and he screams he's been "railroaded" or somehow wronged.


It is what it is, not what we hope it can be.

When another woman takes your husband,
sometimes the best thing you can do for
yourself is to LET HER HAVE the worthless
bum.
OC born 2001
Divorced 2003
Remarried 2008 (New Guy)


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hopefulmom
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Default  Posted: 6:34 PM, April 2nd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

With each job he'd brag about how great he was at his job but he'd always end up saying his employers were idiots and he'd leave

OMG ! Exactly my ex!
5 jobs in the last 7 years we were married. Fired in all but one...mostly because of drinking I suspect but how could I get a real answer among the lies.


me-44
WH-45
married 22 years
Dday 10/08
Divorced!

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Faith2011
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Default  Posted: 12:14 AM, April 3rd (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

That's part of the craziness that is NPD - how would we know what the truth was/is

My XNPDWH kept bragging how he would be next in line once his superior retired. However, there was another guy in line who had been there much longer than Mr NPD and logically would have been given the promotion.

Until ... Mr NPD would come home with stories of how Mr Next-In-Line was sexually harassing staff. I believed him. Of course I did. I never suspected Mr NPD would ever lie to me.

He ended up blowing the whistle on Mr Next_In_Line and apparently Mr NIL was sacked. Which then left Mr NPD next in line.


Convenient for Mr NPD.


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hopefulmom
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Default  Posted: 5:04 AM, April 3rd (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I can't believe how much this sounds like my ex. With every new job, he was going to rise to the top. And when that didn't happen then the stories about how incompetent those above him came out. He was convinced his one boss had Alzheimers and had logged pages of incidents to prove it.

He once was asked to help cook for a an event at church but declined unless he could be in charge (he had been in charge another year). This was after the church had confronted him about his drinking. He refused to help because he was a "chef" (in his mind not by trade), and the person who had taken over had no idea what he was doing!

Yikes....who was he?


me-44
WH-45
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Dday 10/08
Divorced!

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Default  Posted: 8:47 AM, April 3rd (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This sorta sounds like mine. He is not a high ranking money maker but he always gloats of how the staff needs him and he is always there to do what they need. Our talks are always about his day and how so and so needed this and how they brought his lunch to him, how they did this for him because he is such a good guy. He is always talking about taking more classes but doesn't, he wants a new job in his field but I am the one always doing the resume and sending it off if he needed it sent. I have always been the one to piont him in the direction he needed but he would always take the credit. As for loans I was the one that would take out the loans for money and I was stuck paying them. I have gotton myself in debt to please him and I am suck with it while his bills (credit cards) are always first to be paid, so other bills sometimes lack, I pay more on the bill, I have both kids on my plan for cell phones, I spend more on food, I spend more on the kids, I pick up the slack which is my fault but who wants to fight with a NPD, it will go nowhere you will always be wrong and they will always be right.

Anyways haven't post in here for a few days.
His mom is now done with her chemo nothing they can do for her, she is going to be staying with us and that is fine with me but he asked me again to leave our home for his mom and him to stay there. He was not mean but he said this " I am a different man now, I have patients, and I learned those patients from dealing with you, because I have wanted to beat the shit out of you but I walk away now." "SO I am asking you again if you will leave so my mom and I have the house."
"I said why do you do that"? Why do you act like I am the one that cause us to be here? I didn't do you wrong at all? and you blame me for whatever it is that you did and now you REALLY except me to leave my home"?
I left it at that and I went to bed, he got in the bed and he grabbed my hand and went to sleep.

Here is what I am thinking, I think I am going to start looking to see what is out there, because I know he is about to explode with the pain he feels for his mom, sense she has been here, it is about him and his mom, my mom and I, when she goes I will see the angles with her somehow someway, it my mom and me now.
I just looked at him and said "I see" and I walked out of the gargage.
I know it makes him feel empowered as he is the baby and he is the one taking on the responsiblity of her and I know that makes him feel great and better then anyone. I am glad he took on the responsiblity, however, when I try to help even make her bed he does not want me to do that, he will come in and take over and I simply walk away, He was never like that before,as he would want me to do it. I don't know what is goin on in his head and honestly I really am starting not to care but I do think it is time that I get myself and kids out of there. I can already see the writing on the wall and I feel it would be better for me to be away from all this.


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)37
DD 19 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
False R. Still Lying.
Will be divorcing soon!
"You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have"!

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Default  Posted: 9:46 PM, April 3rd (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

How are things going Tellit?


Now, faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. Heb 11:1
I done been through the pain and the sorrow the struggle is nothing but love. Maino
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DS22, DD19, DS17

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soverybetrayed
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Default  Posted: 12:50 AM, April 4th (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It's funny because my stbx is always talking about how stupid the people are that he either works with or who work for him. He actually is a high ranking money maker but he still isn't happy. Everyone but him is stupid, incompetent and he can't tolerate them. I used to think that he was so good at his job that he could back up his arrogance and then I talked to his old boss. His boss told me that he had to rescue stbx many times when he screwed up and couldn't figure out how to fix the mistake he made.

My stbx is the type that has the rages, the arrogance, has to be the center of attention and is Mr. Wonderful to everyone but me. He kept his fake self up for 2 years except for the bs of punishing me when I said or did the wrong thing. The silent treatment was the first thing he pulled before we even got married. I told him I wasn't his kid and wouldn't tolerate him "punishing" me and he stopped it until he dropped the act. Then if I wanted to discuss anything I got "Are you trying to pick a fight with me?" That one always threw me for a loop because it made no sense. I couldn't ask him about anything or talk about my day or he would flip out. He was allowed to bitch about his day for hours and when I would start to discuss my day he would tell me to stop my bitching and stop yelling at him. Man that used to piss me off.

I am so very thankful that I no longer live with him but I have to face all the red flags that I ignored or made excuses for. One big one was that he never bought a single birthday or Christmas present for our gbaby ever. I always covered for him and told her the presents were from both of us because I didn't want her to know that gpa didn't bother to get her any gifts. I can't imagine not getting her gifts just to make her day special.

Did anyone elses stbx or ex do things like that? Not want to get gifts for you or anyone? Mine would tell me for Christmas and my birthday that if I wanted something to go buy it. I once told him that he ruined the holidays for me because of his crappy attitude. I guess it was part of his NPD crap. He never helped to decorate the tree or the house and only put up outside lights 2x in 8 years. And he would always say that he didn't want a birthday or Christmas present but the one year I didn't get him a birthday gift or card he was livid.

Funny how you don't see what is right in front of you because you are so busy trying to figure out what the hell happened and why. I am so thankful that I am out of his NPD world.


Me-53
DDay 10/16/2010 DDay2 5/22/2011
Divorced 8/23/2012
I will get stronger and better but no matter where he goes, there he is....

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Faith2011
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Default  Posted: 2:10 AM, April 4th (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I've read it's a trait of NPD where they don't acknowledge Xmas or birthdays by giving gifts but I can't say my XNPD had that particular trait.

Although .. the first year we were together and in the honeymoon stage, we were at a large shopping centre and he turned to me and said "oh it's your b'day soon and proceeded to pull out a $100 note and handed it to me like he'd handed me the most priceless gift and said "go buy yourself something for your birthday" with a big grin on his face. Note: he handed me the cash in front of everyone.

I was so angry I gave him a serve and told him I would never accept money and he'd have to actually think about what I would like and go buy it.

I admit after that he did buy me b'day gifts but he refused to acknowledge Valentines Day and wasn't interested in buying me Xmas presents.

When it came to his kids he would buy expensive presents when he couldn't afford it.

So I can't really say he had the NPD non-gift giving trait.

But he did/does have the following NPD signs:


Stage 1 - Mr Charm. Declarations of "I've never loved a woman as much as you" and "we must be soulmates", poems, love letters and hot sex all the time. Promises he never kept. The odd Red Flag i.e the lies I heard him tell others. The odd NPD rage. His weird low self esteem but grandiose delusions. His disturbing relationship with his deceased mother. His employment history. Wanting to move in with me within a few weeks of meeting in person.

Stage 2 - Mr Neglect and NPD rages. I think this stage is called Devaluation. Suddenly no sex. He couldn't explain why. I had this awful feeling he was punishing me for some reason. I'd beg, plead, lost weight, offered to see a doctor with him. He'd dismiss me by giving me the silent treatment. Didn't want to go anywhere with me. But every now and then he'd throw me a crumb - roses, hugs, tears. Yep the old reel 'em back in then spit them out. I noticed he had no photo's of me on his Facebook. Why? I suspect it was because even though I'm considered very attractive I was "overweight" ranging from Size(USA)10-12. I'd ask him what size he found attractive. It was the smallest size available in woman's clothing!

Stage 3 - NPD monster. Discard the old N supply and look for another that best reflects who he wants others to perceive him as.
Lies, betrayal, deceit, NPD rages that left me shaking and confused.


BS me
XNPDWH him
DDay Jan 2011

"Live the best life possible."


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QUIETSTORM
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Default  Posted: 10:45 PM, April 4th (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

@caregiver9000,

Thanks for the welcome I feel at home here.


ME BW 35
HIM WH 41 (the goblin)narcissist
Married 8 years, together 15
DD 4
D-Day1 3-19-09
D-Day2 2-11-12
MOW #1 (buffalo)
MOW #2 (easy bake)

Done trying...Divorce filed 3-28-12..final 7/24/12 (same date as marriage)


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Default  Posted: 8:26 AM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So I have been REALLY thinking of moving out. I don't want to leave my home but it is just a house now I guess. Sometimes fighting over something material is not worth the heartache or the headache. He and his mom can be there. I know she will be mad that I am not there but like wh said " I will not let those things make me stay in this marriage any longer". Sometimes the best thing to do is give the person what they want and walk away.
I don't know how I am going to do it finanically but God is with me so I will be okay.
What I am trying to come to grips with is the fact I have done nothing to him, have not cheated, lay a hand on him, none of what he has ever did to me but be there for him, sure I complained about what he was doing, sure I got enraged who doesn't when your wh is fucking another woman and going on with life like it never happened and loves the new better man he is, yes, he may not be as judgemental now of other like he use to be and he may have more patients then he has had in the past meaning he doesn't flip out in physical abuse, or destorying my things, and he is better to other people, but guess what he is still mean to me with words, with negelect, and mind games. So is he really a new man? Is this just a another fakiness to cover up who he is and feeling inside?
So anyways, I feel it is in my best interest to get my kids and myself out of there. I also know that when his mom starts to really go down hill I don't want to be the one that takes the burnt of it. His mom is his heart and his everything you all know that from other posts. And who am I to be in the way of them bonding before she starts down that road. There is only room for one woman in his life and always has been and that is his mom. I truly think she is the only one he truly loves and wants to take care of. I see that. Is this normal for a NPD? I don't know but if it makes him feel better and good then I will let him have it. I will be again less selfish and give him what he wants. So far he has taken my marriage, my husband, my life, now my home, but damn it he will not get our kids. I don't understand why he wants to take everything from me and feels entitled to everything but oh well. Someone please let me know if this is normal also?


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)37
DD 19 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
False R. Still Lying.
Will be divorcing soon!
"You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have"!

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Faith2011
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Default  Posted: 9:28 AM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

There is only room for one woman in his life and always has been and that is his mom. I truly think she is the only one he truly loves and wants to take care of. I see that. Is this normal for a NPD? I don't know but if it makes him feel better and good then I will let him have it. I will be again less selfish and give him what he wants. So far he has taken my marriage, my husband, my life, now my home, but damn it he will not get our kids. I don't understand why he wants to take everything from me and feels entitled to everything but oh well. Someone please let me know if this is normal also?


If my XNPDWH's behaviour is classic NPD I'd have to say yes to both.

My XNPDWH had some kind of weird relationship with his deceased mother. She was also a cheater and an alcoholic. He seemed to have her on some kind of Mother Pedestal where she the best mother in the world and idealised her "little boy" and heaven help the person that said a "bad thing" about his mother although he would suddenly speak of her with such venom on the odd occasion I thought I was hearing things.

The entitlement? Absolutely. He will not leave you with anything he wants. That's a fact.

But you are right. Leave him and Mum to enjoy their "mommy and son" world and just leave. As long as you have your kids and your peace of mind. That is everything.

I wish you all the best.


BS me
XNPDWH him
DDay Jan 2011

"Live the best life possible."


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Default  Posted: 9:51 AM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Faith2011,
That is so strange, and I get what you are saying about the mommy pedestal. His mom was not the cheater, never drank, never smoked, nothing, but, she was never a mom that gives affection, like hugs, and all that.
The way wh explains his childhood, is she was a single mother in the worst part of the city, and she had to work all the time, the older kids were in charge of my wh, he was spoiled big time by his mom with gifts and never getting in trouble. When they left the home, it was just him and her and he ran the street, he has no disiplin, he could do whatever he wanted to do. Its strange cause he was this wild child and he is so strick on our kids, they never had nothing to eat but I guess she had all the top quality clothing, skin care, perfurms, She never really cooked they ate out alot, my wh would make sure when she got home she had a hot bath waiting alot of times, and the house picked up. It is a wierd relationship. But who am I to judge.


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)37
DD 19 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
False R. Still Lying.
Will be divorcing soon!
"You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have"!

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Default  Posted: 6:09 PM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Soverybetrayed,
Good to see you!

Did anyone elses stbx or ex do things like that? Not want to get gifts for you or anyone? Mine would tell me for Christmas and my birthday that if I wanted something to go buy it. I once told him that he ruined the holidays for me because of his crappy attitude. I guess it was part of his NPD crap. He never helped to decorate the tree or the house and only put up outside lights 2x in 8 years. And he would always say that he didn't want a birthday or Christmas present but the one year I didn't get him a birthday gift or card he was livid.

OMG, yes. My XNPDH was the WORST gift giver. He would go out holiday shopping and come home with all of this stuff for HIMSELF!! I would try and give him "hints" and he would still fail miserably. My mother even would call him and offer to "help" him and he would still either buy me nothing, a small kitchen appliance, or something he would like.

And he went out of his way to ruin every holiday, especially MY birthday. But if it was his birthday, he acted as if there should be parades and it should be a national holiday.

I love Christmas and I love decorating for Christmas. I have collected ornaments for years and I put up several trees in different rooms with different themes, etc. I decorate the outside of the house and really go all out. It's very excessive and probably ridiculous. But I really enjoy it, and the neighborhood kids look forward to it every year. My nieces and nephews all think my house looks like Santa's house at Christmas time.

But XNPDH would do everything he could to ruin it every year. And NOT ONE TIME did he help me put up the lights. And he made constant fun of me for doing it. But if someone said it looked nice, he would take all the credit. And during our divorce, he demanded all the Christmas decorations. In the end he got all the ones that said, "Our first Christmas Together" and other wedding type ornaments.

By the time we split up he had me so brainwashed I actually BELIEVED that my holiday decorations were bad and I should be embarassed about them.

When I met my new H, I told him that I hoped he didn't mind lots of decorations because I really went over board during the holidays. Not only did he HELP me put them all up, he even made some great suggestions and took me shopping to buy more stuff!!

I was so shocked. I asked him, "Don't you think this is already over the top?"

He said, "This is nothing. My family is Christmas crazy too. I'll have to take you by my daughter's place."

I thought....oh...how cute. Thinking he was just being sweet.

THEN he drove me by her place and OMG!! He really DID get it. They would start decorating in October to get it all up. They even entered a contest one year on the Today's Show for best decorated house in America, called "Al be Home for Christmas" and they WON!! Al Roker came and did the weather from their house and everything. It was amazing.

I'll be back with a photo.


It is what it is, not what we hope it can be.

When another woman takes your husband,
sometimes the best thing you can do for
yourself is to LET HER HAVE the worthless
bum.
OC born 2001
Divorced 2003
Remarried 2008 (New Guy)


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Default  Posted: 7:28 PM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


ok sad, you were already famous in my book...now you're saying you're only semi-famous?
Dang.
Another something to fix.
lol!

(((Tribe)))


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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 7:38 PM, April 5th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

doing a separate from the NPD dance...

wander over into D/S and read my very long accounting of court today.

It just goes to prove that no matter what you expect, inside the NPD mind is a maze of

Once again, it seems Stretch walked himself into a court order trying to be "reasonable" in front of an audience.


Me: 43, independent, happy, despite co-parenting with a lower muppet
FT "Stretch" (and Skew!) ;)
DS 12 DS 9
S 5/2010
D 12/2012

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Default  Posted: 8:15 AM, April 6th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi, Everybody,

I am pretty new here, and am trying to figure out if my husband is also npd. He has been cheating on me for many years and there is an OC.

Could anyone help me out and tell me what they think?

Most of the time, if everything goes his way, he is charming, and tells me how much he loves me and that I'm the best thing that ever happened to him. He is a big man in our town, and people fawn over him when we eat out, etc. He is very selfish. He has no interest in our children AT ALL. (Would not bother to say goodbye to our son the night he left home to go to college.) He has anger that comes out of nowhere - but not yelling and shouting - he sets his jaw and gets a very, very mean voice that I really HATE. He hates to do anything menial - stopping at the grocery store, unloading suit cases, (been to the store for me maybe twice in 27 years) etc. He would NEVER do something like put up Christmas lights, or get a tree. He is very vindictive, and HATES to lose at games. (He would never, in a million years, let a three year old win a board game.)

I am not sure if this is just plain selfishness and laziness, or a personality disorder.

Any comments would be very welcome, thank you.


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Default  Posted: 1:39 PM, April 6th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

anewhaven,
Welcome.

We're not professionals here so we can't offer a diagnosis, only opinions and support.

(((big hugs)))

My XNPDH had an OC too. and was a serial cheater. At the time, it seemed as if people liked him too. After we split, these same people came to me and told me they felt sorry for me. And really thought he was a phoney POS.

My XNPDH wouldn't do menial things either. I could be home out of tampons/pads (sorry for TMI) and bleeding to death, and he would flat out REFUSE to go and buy them for me.

Cheater? Check
Anger? Check
Vindictive? Check
Selfish? Check
Confused spouse? Check

How old is the OC? Does he have contact? What is your plan?

Sorry you're in this terrible situation.



It is what it is, not what we hope it can be.

When another woman takes your husband,
sometimes the best thing you can do for
yourself is to LET HER HAVE the worthless
bum.
OC born 2001
Divorced 2003
Remarried 2008 (New Guy)


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Default  Posted: 3:44 PM, April 6th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you for the reply, sadtoo, and thank you for the hugs.

My WH has even less interest in the adult OC than ours, so there is minimal contact. He doesn't know that I know.

I have no plan. I just come here and read a lot, and try to make sense of it all.

The trouble is that I was brought up with a text-book NPD mother, and I have read that children with that back-ground sometimes have a hard time processing normal, healthy anger. So I am trying to figure out if I am being too sensitive to his anger, and that it is maybe 'normal' anger?

What makes me think that it is NPD is that the anger comes out of nowhere - one minute we are joking and then all of a sudden sparks fly, over something maybe as minor as having the front door locked when he gets home from work.

So, it's all very, very confusing.

Thanks for listening. You seem to be a really nice group here.


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Default  Posted: 7:32 PM, April 6th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I just come here and read a lot, and try to make sense of it all

We have a saying here. "Don't try to make sense out of nonsense."

Because in reality you are dealing with a bunch of nonsense. It's all backwards and inside-out to the "normal". And it will drive you insane if you try to understand.

The best thing you can do is take care of YOU and try to detach from him.


It is what it is, not what we hope it can be.

When another woman takes your husband,
sometimes the best thing you can do for
yourself is to LET HER HAVE the worthless
bum.
OC born 2001
Divorced 2003
Remarried 2008 (New Guy)


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