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Default  Posted: 12:52 AM, September 8th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


How absolutely terrifying that must have been for you and your children. I'm so glad you had the clarity of thought to just get out.

Please do as the others have advised you. He is a loose cannon. You don't want to have contact with him in any way. The more hidden you are, the better.

and this:

He does have visitation rights to see the boys.

Nope. Not if they're not his children. The baby is another story, but you will talk to a woman's shelter, the police and/or an attorney (or all of the above) and find out how to proceed with that.

In the meantime, stay hidden, don't engage his crazy ass, and get legal advice.

Me: BS
2 kids: DD15 and DS18
Him: The Assclown NPD
OW: "friend" of 15 years
Divorced! Feb. 2010

Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences.
~Robert Louis Stevenson

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Default  Posted: 4:14 PM, September 8th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I strongly believe my STBXH has many traits of narcissism. He told me he has absolutely no remorse for what he has done, he projects and blameshifts, appears to have no shame about what he has done, cannot see another person's point of view if different from his own. The lying, devaluing me and discarding me after a 22 year marriage and zero empathy for the pain he has caused me. I have heard that the lack of empathy is the one consistent red flag of narcissism, they just are not capable of it. But I cannot understand how he felt so bad for this helpless, cheated on widow that he needed to rescue her. Do they just not have empathy for the people they hurt?

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Default  Posted: 6:37 PM, September 8th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Questions for all the knowledgeable NPD survivors out there...I'm pretty sure my ex has NPD...No remorse...blaming...gaslighting..projecting...passive agressive behavior. Trying to co parent with him is pretty much out of the question...I have full custody. After four years he has moved three he's hundreds of miles away...his visitation (which he just send me cryptic emails telling me what will be happening) is every other weekend...I have to drive my kids 45 minutes into the city on Friday nights...they travel by train to his new home...and he drops them off on Sunday night. People are always telling me you need to talk to out the stuff with the kids...he does whatever he wants...but I can't talk to him...he twists everything..I'm crazy...overreacting...I just have to keep swallowing everything...I'm trying to get a lawyer to help me..Anyone have any experience with this...I can't say anything to his family...because they can't hear it...they want everything to be okay...I have no

The truth will set you free...

Me 42
2 Kids...3 and 6
H 41...HW 39 living together...
DD 9.15.08

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Default  Posted: 10:46 PM, September 8th (Saturday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

{{{surrender}}}} You did the right thing by leaving. Go to a woman's shelter, legal aide, anything and get advice about what to do to keep him out of your life.

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Default  Posted: 10:55 AM, September 9th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you for all of the support. Everything is still sinking in. I have a long list of priorities that I am working on. Right now I am enjoying the peace and serenity out on a 35 acre ranch on the river. No cell phone service...just quiet! Tomorrow it is time to get the boys registered for school and get them back into their sports and a good routine.

I'm taking it one day at a time.

All of the advice and info on this site have been a god send. Thank you everyone. I will post updates as they come.

BS - 38
H - 37
Three boys 15, 12 & 1
D - 10/2007
R - 10/2010
Red Flags - Our whole marriage
DD in the last 20 years - Lost count
Made the great escape 9/4/2012

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Default  Posted: 11:31 AM, September 11th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((surrender))) thank goodness you and your kids are okay! do please keep posting, just so that we know you're okay, even if you don't feel comfortable sharing a whole lot.

@healthyself: I guess I am not understanding the question. If you're divorced, and you have sole custody, then no, you don't have to talk it out. You can't reason with an NPD, anyway; they are better and smarter than you, so no matter what you say, it will fall on deaf ears. You talk to a lawyer and find out what your options are. In my state, whoever moves a significant distance from the kids has to bear the costs of transporting them. Your husband moved; he should at a minimum have to pay for them to get back and forth in some states.

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Default  Posted: 3:13 PM, September 11th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

On no.

This is where I belong.

13 years.

Don't even know where to start.

I've been reading several of these threads for hours to remind myself that last night when we were talking to each other like normal people-something that only happens a few times a year-he is likely just digging for dirt.

I've read so many stories that could be mine.

I can't get out.
I can't. I'm wrecked.
I have a migraine. My eyes hurt and I'm nauseous.

Remember that song by the Rolling Stones?

"She hurt my eyes open-that's no lie!"

I tried to get out. I got suckered back in. He said he would change.

He did until the last of our things was unpacked.

Scorched earth-Like Peter the Great, he burns up his own territory in order to gain the upper hand while his own people suffer.

I don't need you to be happy. I just need you to leave me alone when I am.

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Default  Posted: 8:39 PM, September 11th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

When does it stop. I am NC, only through attorneys now. He is staying unemployed so he can qualify for bankruptcy. He wont have money to pay me. I wont have but the small amount I earn.

Meanwhile he still goes to gym, has taking up smoking cigars. Oh I already know that he must be hanging out with people who do that. He changes hats just to fit in.

I am beyond frustrated, I am beyond mad, I am beyond knowing he is the biggest douche, I can't divorce him, I can't move forward, and right now he can do, go, say whatever he likes while I have to remain the reliable, loyal parent.

Can you hear me screaming?

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Default  Posted: 9:54 PM, September 11th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


I hear you.

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Default  Posted: 6:20 AM, September 12th (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ariticle NPD and divorcing one:

This is a very good read. Hope it helps.

Not a lot of tips but lets you know NPD is real.

HUGS to my tribe..

[This message edited by 2_4giving4_2long at 6:43 AM, September 12th (Wednesday)]

Me 52
He 49
DDay 11/06/11
Married 23 years
2 adult children.

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Default  Posted: 7:53 AM, September 12th (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

just a little rant,

I hear you on them not playing by the rules, only my little monster is very gainfully employed.

He won't pay the proper amount of child support yet he lives like a king expensive sporting events, concerts, yet he couldn't even send his son a card from the dollar store for his birthday, 3 weeks after sons birthday sends him message about the concert he is at and how it reminds him of son son was in hospital in January, asshat knew yet never sent son a message to see how he was no happy birthday

He ruined the house we live in by doing structural damage, that is going to be expensive to fix, he whines that I blame him for us not being able to sell the house all I can say is I begged you not to do it you were the one that took the saw to the house we'll be lucky to get what we paid for it 18 years ago I offered to give it back to him free and clear he wouldn't take it, even before he really understood what he had done

He is such a dumbass, he has known of the divorce for over a year yet still has not provided all his paperwork doesn't show up for court he hasn't even made the contact to have the pension divided he was ordered to do this months ago he forced me to apply for disability I qualified, it's a dollar for dollar, child support is way more than they would give of mom of 2, so he gives me just over what they would give because as soon as I have to apply for government money, they are on his ass

God give me the patience to get threw this divorce I knew it was going to be high conflict because everything has always been his my original asking was for the proper amount of child support, it's a government guide line and the papers that say I'm divorced the only saving grace is that asshat lives so far away from a 21 year relationship the only thing I'm taking is clothes, and gifts received from my family he knows this and he is still fighting

I walked into this in 2006, thinking we could do it just between us we had many attempts at reconciliation only 1 of us grew as a person the other one is a runner and a very angry little monster he's the one that threatened divorce for years, decided to take him up on it I just finally had to bring in the lawyers

I can't wait till the day I scream FREEDOM

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Default  Posted: 9:38 AM, September 13th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Well, it looks like we're going to a court mediator now for a custody hearing instead of working out the schedule ourselves. He said he would take me to court for full custody if I went through with filing for child support. And so he is, claiming I'm an unfit mother keeping our son in a dirty house. (I already posted in D/S about that.)

My parents are now offering help with a lawyer. My question is, what kind of lawyer would you go with? I'm looking for experience, but male/female, age, good listener? what else?

I'm just concerned about gender because every female MC we went to seemed drawn in by him. One male MC was a little too passive and just let him spout off at me the whole session, but another male MC really let him have "a dose of reality."

Sorry if I'm going on. Trying to type fast with one finger before my work break is over. :-p

Me, BS 37
Him, WH 40
DS 12
Together 17 years
2010-2011: Serial As and false Rs
Sept 2011: Moved in with latest OW, 21
OC born June 2012

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Default  Posted: 7:13 PM, September 13th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Time-you need a lawyer that is skilled in high conflict One that can go the distance

My little monster has become my nightmare to get rid of always coming up with another hoop for me to jump threw just to get one step closer to the end yet he does none of the things that the courts said he needed to do

My lawyer says they always threaten mine has threatened to quite his job move back into the marital home with the kids and I yet he never has followed threw on anything

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Default  Posted: 7:15 PM, September 13th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Huge hugs to the (((((Tribe))))).

Well, I'm filed, he's served, and the fireworks should start soon. My dear DIL did the serving, which pleased her immensely. Guess he was glad to see her... at first. Not so much after. File the proof of service tomorrow, and here we go. It's gonna be a battle, but one I'm prepared for. We face off in court the first time on the 21st, for temporary child support. Then he goes to 2 prelim hearings for breaking the protection order on the 27th and some other hearing next month. I was worried they wouldn't charge him, but they decided to. Lots of court coming up.

On the better side, my youngest is ready for school, and has orientation on Monday. We meet with the principal first, then go through the first day of orientation together - there are 5 days total. That's another issue down and out of the monster's reach. Since we're in limbo as far as parenting plans go, the school is just going to have to go with mine for now... NO contact. Period.

Things are finally coming around, and I'm feeling more like a human in contact with other humans. Finally.


"My feet are finally beginning to heal after 25 years of walking on eggshells."
"I walk barefoot all the time, now!"


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Default  Posted: 8:29 PM, September 13th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Without going into tortuous detail, can I just ask for some good thoughts and strength as I try to untangle myself from the last thing (messy real estate deal) that's binding me to my zebra duck? His passive aggressive attitude, stonewalling, and just overall nastiness are wearing me down. The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that one day I will be FREE. I swear, if we can get through dealing with these people, I think we can deal with anything.

Thank you for listening.

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Default  Posted: 11:49 PM, September 17th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ok, Tribe. I'm guessing I know the answer to this, but I'm going to ask anyway.

How many of your N's "developed" a major, deadly disease when you split up with them? Such as cancer, for instance. I'm not talking about genuine illness, but rather how many used the "I'm so sick!" card to manipulate you or your kids?

Yes, you guessed it. The monster was served with his papers on Thursday, and magically "found out" Friday that he has cancer, and is having surgery on Wednesday to remove two feet of intestines. Interestingly, this happens when in the papers he was served, he found out we are due for a hearing this Friday - which he won't be able to attend, as he'll be in the hospital, and remember how hard he tried to get the PO hearing delayed over and over - to set temporary CS in an amount he would find horribly unfair. Oh, and just a week later, he is due in court for his first hearings regarding breaking the protection order.

I don't believe in coincidence, but I very certainly believe in the manipulative power of the NPD. Even my youngest, the 15 year old, finds this a bit too convenient. He's not buying it.

Also somewhat coincidentally, the person who came to tell us is the monster's niece, who has been angry at him for some time now, for being so much like her own mom, the monster's sister. Predictably, there was a plea for my son to call or visit the monster, to "raise his spirits."

So... my next question is this: If I call the hospital Wednesday to ask about his "surgery," and am told I cannot be informed, doesn't that tell me he's lying? Doesn't that prove he is manipulating my son?

Or am I off the mark because I'm not buying this whole thing?

We all acted appropriately "sad" about the situation, but none of us believes it. So you know that when my son does not call, because he told me he does NOT care, the family is going to think I am rotten and scheming and whatever else.

I just said to myself earlier today, "I wish you'd just LEAVE US ALONE!" while looking at something that reminded me of him. So what do you all think? Am I being a bitch, or am I right?

[This message edited by SoHurt at 11:54 PM, September 17th (Monday)]

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"I walk barefoot all the time, now!"


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Default  Posted: 9:03 AM, September 18th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((thatmuchwiser))) so sorry I am coming late to the party! I am sending up mojo as we speak.

@sohurt: I don't know if you're right or wrong (what's his family history like), but mine thought he might have breast cancer early on in the divorce process . He did have a family history; he did not have breast cancer. So while I can't say whether yours miraculously developed cancer or not, it's ultimately up to the kid whether he wants to talk to his father. You're not being a bitch... nor are you remotely wrong for suspecting something hinky.

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Default  Posted: 9:14 AM, September 18th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

SoHurt, I am naturally suspicious of the convenient cancer... but I don't think it is your job to follow up on the truth of it or not. If there is a hearing he is supposed to attend then the responsibility of providing documentation to the court for why he cannot falls on him. You control YOU, and YOU show up when and where you are supposed to and let the court manage his misbehaviors.

Lots of new tribe members...

welcome and hang on for a long and bumpy ride of detangling from an N.

I have an interesting observation.

Two years of solid NC, I mean serious email only and I took every syllable as ego kibble and was very very stingy with communication with Stretch. I starved him of supply because it was the only measure of control I had. The benefit to me was clear as I was able to detach and not get sucked into the drama too terribly often...

My observation now is that as I am firmly detached and the schmoopie love with OW is flawed since my kids claim that Stretch and OW fight "all the time" Stretch is sniffing around for attention from me. How? By being "helpful" and "friendly." My NC led him to treat me as invisible which works for me.

NOW I am getting messages on the answering machine left for me. He says my name and follows up with "helpful" information. In the past he would have left the message for the boys with a condescending tone of "of course your mom doesn't know this" implied in his message. Now, it is a message for me and it is apologetic that he didn't make sure I had the necessary information...

I think this also is related to the fact that I am dating. I have a SO and while the kids are protective and scared? of their dad finding this out, I have to believe Stretch suspects I am in a relationship.

I imagine this is a case of now that someone else wants me, HE sees me in a new desirable light????

any words of wisdom on what to do moving forward? My plan is to remain under the radar and low key. NO CHANGES on how I interact or expect for him to behave. If I pretend to be invisible will he go back to treating me that way?

Me: 43, independent, happy, despite co-parenting with a lower muppet
FT "Stretch" (and Skew!) ;)
DS 12 DS 9
S 5/2010
D 12/2012

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Mine wanted me to feel bad cause his knees and back hurt. They want us to feel bad for them. Poor poor them. No problem cheating, lying, and destroying our lives, but when it comes to them we are supposed to feel bad.

Do you really think he would be there for you if you had cancer? Maybe if it fed his need to look like a wonderful person and feed the beast within.

Everything he does is for him. The role of parent, the spouse, the child, the employee, every role.

Be strong and take care of yourself and move forward slowly and heal properly.

The quicker we understand how they operate, the quicker we detach.

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Default  Posted: 10:14 AM, September 18th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Veritas, CG and Wont... Thank you for your input. This morning, I feel very strongly that this is a manipulative lie, and he's probably getting a bleeding hemmorhoid fixed or something.

Thank you for reminding me I don't have to follow up, mind his business or believe anything he says. I kind of knew all that, but it's good to hear it from others. My sons want nothing to do with him, and the fact that they are ALL saying they don't care says more to me than anything else - they really don't care. They've been hurt, and they hate him. That's not my fault or my problem. It's the monster's.

So I'm just going to go to court and win by default, unless he has the foresight to get some kind of "proof" to them to delay the hearing. But I'm not believing it until I see it in writing from a doctor. And I'm not forcing my son to call him. That, I simply won't do. I haven't forced him to do anything with him from the beginning, and I'm not starting now.

As for family history, he did have a half brother die of a rare blood cancer, (the one that was the excuse for his "grief gambling,") and another half brother who had skin cancer that didn't die. Other than that, nothing.

And no, I do NOT believe he would be there for me if I had cancer. Not in a million years, unless, as you say, he found some supply from it.

I figured I knew the answers... I just wanted a bit of backup. Thanks, Tribe.

"My feet are finally beginning to heal after 25 years of walking on eggshells."
"I walk barefoot all the time, now!"


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