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User Topic: Long Term Affair - Part 29
deeppurple
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Default  Posted: 3:29 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M33 - I'm so sorry this is beyond belief....I think its time the guys & I had some batting practice with your WH
honest...good to hear your doing ok.

Take care tribe


Me - BS 49
Her - WS 43
Married 16 yrs (together 17 yrs)
DD13 DS10 DS8 DS6
DDay 1 6.4.2010 dday 2 7.25.2010
Heading for divorce.
"Never look down on someone unless you are helping them up"

Posts: 522 | Registered: Jun 2010 | From: Where the sun is shining & the surf is pumping
worst-year-ever
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Default  Posted: 4:23 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm struggling a lot the last few days, but I kinda figured I would be. Our anniversary was last week and the 1st antiversary is coming up quickly.

It's the how I am struggling that I am not sure what to do with.

For the entire time since this all went down, I never had trouble with mind movies, which was strange considering I caught fWH making out with OW2 in my kitchen. Still, I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't struggle with that.

Until now.

They've hit, full force. OW1, OW2, full blown over-active imagination kicking in here.

I am just completely sickened, and he can't understand why I am so upset about this stuff now.

I swear to god if I hear "let's just move forward" one more time I am going to pummel him.

Soooo....how do you all cope with mind movies? This is going to drive me insane.

[This message edited by worst-year-ever at 4:24 PM, June 24th (Sunday)]


Me: BW
Him: FWH
4 kids & 20 years together
DD: 7/7/11
OW1: 3yr+ LTA
OW2: My xBFF
Trying to R

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ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 4:54 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks, youz guyz, for your kind words. I was going to write some self-depreciating here, but instead I'm just going to accept and bask. Love you.

WYE,
Mind-movies. I have a decent trick that someone else on SI... I think Edie?... shared with me. Wear a stretchy band around your wrist and every time one of those mind movies hit, you snap your band and think NO and direct your thoughts to something else. It helps to practice visualizing your "happy place" before the movies hit so you can get there when you're in distress.

As for your WH, tell him that you don't expect him to understand it, nor does he need to UNDERSTAND it; he just needs to help you through it. Of course, you have to be able to tell him what you need and he needs to be able to do it... but baby steps.


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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worst-year-ever
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Default  Posted: 5:35 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks Nell...I'm willing to try anything at this point.

Fortunately, he is gone with our oldest at scout camp this week. I think my soul needs the break.


Me: BW
Him: FWH
4 kids & 20 years together
DD: 7/7/11
OW1: 3yr+ LTA
OW2: My xBFF
Trying to R

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Laura28
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Default  Posted: 5:40 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

WYE

Another couple of tricks people gave me on here.

Instead of imagining him with her imagine you with him laughing, smiling or having sex while she is in the fetal position, cringing, crying and hiding her face in the corner of the room.

When it really gets to me I like to think of FWH's OWs alone, rejected and lonely in their cold beds at night hopefully for the rest of their lives.

Or think about the myriad times while they were seeing FWH and were teary and upset and felt rejected because he "couldn't be with them" for whatever reason associated with his real family.

Hope some of these help.

HUGS

Laura


Married 30yrs Me BW 57Yrs Him FWH 59yrs
OWzero 1988 EA?/PA? Gaslighted.
Dday May 28 2010.
OW1 1994(6mths PA, EA til dday).
OW2 2002(8yrs PA).
OW3 2009(1Yr PA).
Others???? Status: Not Divorcing..but.."You can't unfuck the goat"

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sadsenior
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Default  Posted: 7:19 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Posting for the first time. I am 3 1/2 years out from DD. WH had an affair for 14+ years with same OW. He has maintained NC and is doing everything he can to help me get over this but sometimes I feel like I never will. We live near where OW still works and she lives in the same town as we do, so I see her in her car fairly often. We cannot afford to move. I have had a little IC and we went to marriage counseling which seemed to help at the time. I find that I am now going through depression. Is this the last stage of grief? Any advice on what to do if I come face to face with her? Thank you for any help.

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Allgoodnamesgone
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Default  Posted: 9:55 PM, June 24th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M3: Saw the bomb. I'm so sorry. Just wanted to see how you are doing.

Re: Miracle - she's fine. I dont want to speak on her behalf, but I think she, like I, find it hard to come back here, even as much as you are all in our thoughts - I know for me, at least, that reading a lot of the posts here would affect me too deeply, stuff Ive had some success in bottling up and putting away and I'm afraid to look at it again.

Anyway. M3 please check in - I think you are being too quiet under the circumstances.


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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m334455
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Default  Posted: 7:03 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ah - I've been PM'ing Nell a lot so trust me, not holding it all in.

I think there are a lot of lessons to take away from this that are somewhat universally applicable:

(1) If you're having trouble re-investing in the marriage for "some reason" you can't quite put your finger on, it might be a gut-level recognition of something subtle in your spouse's behavior that is indicative of a high likelihood of future A behavior - and not some deficiency of forgiveness from you.

(2) Forgiveness is for YOU and it's independent of reconciliation.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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m334455
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Default  Posted: 7:05 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hold on. Sunshine needed me for a minute there. Got to continue the post below...


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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m334455
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Default  Posted: 7:28 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(2) Forgiveness is for YOU and it's independent of reconciliation.

Back to this: There are a lot of things you can do that make it easier to forgive. First, I think working on releasing co-dependent behaviors and attitudes and detaching both make it easier to forgive. Second, very few affairs are revenge-based. I think that recognizing that your spouse behaves this way independent of your existence is helpful as well. For two reasons: (1) their intent is not to hurt you -- in fact, they usually think that you'll never find out and "what you don't know can't hurt you..." insert rest of that cliche train here... (2) They would have done this regardless of whom they were married to. There's no magic thing you did wrong to cause this to happen or could have done right to prevent it. It is what it is. (3) I think once you recognize that it's about them and their issues/deficiencies/selfishness and not about you it IS easier to forgive. Because forgiveness isn't saying "what you did is OK" it's ultimately just releasing the event in it's entirety. No further need for restitution or retribution. Simply no longer allowing the event to have power in your life. It doesn't mean you have to stay married, or even ever speak with your former spouse if you divorce, it's about you.

(3) It's important for your own healing to both detach and forgive whether you are trying to reconcile or not. However, you can detach and still maintain and even improve the relationship. There is a lot of good info that speaks to this in reading buddhist stuff on mindfullness, loving-kindness, etc. (I blame ATS! Ha!) but it's really useful. Living in the moment and not being attached to any particular outcome of the situation can really improve your quality of life.

(4) You don't have to be in love with your spouse to try to save the marriage. You also don't have to stay married even if you're still in love with your spouse. Feelings are just feelings, and they don't always have a huge amount of significance as far as making a good decision goes.

So, there you go. I'm fine. Getting divorced with 4 kids and one on the way is going to be a pain in the ass, but I'll live. I love my husband and I'll miss him, but, once again, I'll live. My guess is that he'll help me out by turning on a whole bunch of nasty NPD behavior and I eventually won't even like him anymore, but you never know. Fortunately, whereas where I used to live (in Virginia) you CANNOT get a divorce while pregnant, in my new state you can, so there's one bonus.

I honestly haven't shed a single tear. Which is sad in it's own way. The kids will have a tough time, but I'll do my best to support them... etc. I'm sure I'll cry about their hurt at some point.

So, I'm ok. The bottom line is that his behavior in chasing (and sometimes catching) other women makes the relationship too bad for me to stay in, no matter what other positives it may have.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 8:23 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Good Morning All,

It was nice to read though and see posts form so many; allgood, nofun, Nell, honest, deep and Laura. Also glad to read that iwam is doing well and moving on.

m334455, I am sorry that you have arrived where you have, but we often talk about the need to heal one-self, and then see if our F(?)WS is on the path with us or not. Clearly Mr. 334455 is on a different path and not willing to break new trails. I thought your post on forgiveness is spot on.

As for me, tryn bought me a nice lunch while I was out of town and near his town, thanks tryn. It was really nice meeting a SI member and talking in person.

My marriage life is what it has been the last year or so; much better than it was, but less than I hoped for. Rather than focus on my M, I am re-booting my professional life. I have accepted a job that will take me back to my core technical skills and stretch me professionally. Funding for the position is identified for 3 years, by then I will need to have proven my worth to be retained once the projects are over. If it works out there are opportunities for advancement and eventually some additional money. This week is screening, pre-employment stuff. I will start the middle of July. There will be plenty to focus on for the next year or so while I get this new position rolling, so hopefully I will have less time ruminating on how FWW is or is not treating me.

--Ats


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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jollum
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Default  Posted: 8:56 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M33, I'm sorry your WS is still an idiot. It sounds like he will not appreciate what he has until he loses it all.. You sound strong as always. (((M33)))

Everyone else, I hate to hear all of the issues but I am always thankful for SI being here for each and every one of us. I wish each of you peace (((tribe)))


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m334455
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Default  Posted: 10:29 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Congrats on the new job, ATS!

In happier news from M3 land -- I find out whether the baby is a boy or a girl on Wednesday morning...

Who knows, jollum? I'm not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I get grumpy for no reason, etc. Perhaps being married to me is truly horrible and all that. What do I know?


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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jollum
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Default  Posted: 11:29 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M33,
Greatest thing since sliced bread?....Not sure cause I luvs me some freshly sliced bread!!!

Grumpy?....possibly, you're pregnant with a cheating husband...let's change that to probably and more than allowed.

Being married to you truly horrible?....then why did he stick around? If it was bad he would have left. He is a cake eater.
You deserving any of this???...Don't even joke about that! You know darn good and well nothing you've done deserves the treatment he is giving you.

Keep posting and thinking happy thoughts about baby soon-to-be. Start detaching from WS.


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m334455
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Default  Posted: 11:37 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks. I really am so sad and so disappointed. I guess I'll do some laundry to keep my mind off things. God knows there is always plenty of laundry with 4 kids...


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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messedup96
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Default  Posted: 11:57 AM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

First off he saw my Ex from when I was alot younger he's not very good at Computers so he didn't know how to open it not giving him excuses but he assumed something was going on he's very Jealous I told him nothing was going on but my husband didn't have a job I was separating us and our three kids with SSI for the last 3 years he was never home. he would take our bank card at 2am and not return til 8am I know cause I somehow feel when he's not in bed he wouldn't even look for a job I told him that he needed to leave I'm always with the kids no one will watch them for me and when they are at School I'm by my phone cause one of the schools are going to call. which I told him over the phone this afternoon but my husband cheated on me 10 years ago day after my birthday there's a boy involved but another guy took a paternity test and the judge said he had to pay. This gutter slut has 7 restraining order against her her last name isn't very common and she married another guy with the same last name. My husband calls her the psycho bitch but he was seen by 3 cub scout parents at a party and one of them are my best friend This Gutter slut walked up to my husband and gave him a kiss on the lips the night before Fathers Day My friend said he even left with her and that she was intriduceing her child as his when court papers says another man is. I don't know what he's going to do with proveing it I haven't seen it quite yet My friend also knows about the Ex situration I had a miscarriage with him He fell off the circle of the earth I couldn't find him until facebook if My husband would of opened it up he would of seen nothing was going on. I can't stand my Ex he broke up with me because he was gay which my grandma told my husband, she knew cause she worked with him when he was 17 I love my husband so much this is tearing me apart. but him working late on Friday and Saturdays and working at a hotel does not help whatsoever. I just wished he could see how much I do love him
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BS me 36
Dirtbag 36
1st A DD July 20th 1996 OW also married
2nd A DD Oct 19th 2002
3rd A DD July 17th 2012
2nd and 3rd With same psycho serial married men cheater gutter fish troll
Married 16 thisnov
Together 17 this dec
Friends 24next marc

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Allgoodnamesgone
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Default  Posted: 12:10 PM, June 25th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

M3 - Glad to see you are holding up. What you wrote is very logical - that you are doing the right thing & you & the kids will be fine - and while I agree, I know that doesn't make it any easier to live. Big hug hun.

Ats: Glad you got to meet Tryn. That's awesome!


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 12:13 AM, June 26th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

{{{{{M3}}}} You are sounding good. I think that you may be feeling a little calm because your WH's actions helped you to make the decision that I feel you always wanted to make. I'm so sorry it's come at this time, though. Use your lawyer skills and anyone who can help. Beware of the NPD rages. We are here for you.

Ats: It's so good to hear that you and Tryn were able to g2g! Congratulations on the new job! Perhaps this is just the thing for you right now. Concentrate on healing YOU.

NPD is supposed to come Friday after being gone for 2.5 months. I can't do this roller coaster any longer.
The book, "Codependent No More" is really helping me and I think it's a must read for any BS. I think a lot of us go into that zone when we are trying to deal with the aftermath of the A and trying to R.

Nell: give us an update about you and the boyos.


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Default  Posted: 10:09 AM, June 26th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Update on Nell and the Boyos. Okay, honest, you asked for it!

Itís been a pretty frantic several months! I divorced Daffy at the end of March, but co-habitated through the end of May while I found and bought a new home.

I moved out of The Marital Home and into my townhouse the first week of June. Itís a great house. Very good layout for me and the Boyos. My former neighbors and several friends have all volunteered to help me paint once Iíve prepped the walls, which I am doing little by little as I have time. Last weekend I took down all the (weirdly placed) molding and more wallpaper removal is next. The very first thing I did, before I even finished packing, was to spend a whole lot of money on a beautiful silk painting, which now hangs over my fireplace. Itís mine mine mineÖ just my style and I love it! Even the Boyos like it.

The Boyos seem to be adjusting well to the changes, although they seem a little more sensitive (just in general). Iím paying attention but not coddling. Soon after I moved out, Boyo1 asked me if I was going to move back in and forget all ďthis divorce silliness.Ē Boyo2 has asked what Iím going to wear when I marry dad again. I gently/firmly/nonchalantly tell them that this is how itís gonna be forever. Then we move on with our day. So far, no drama. There are weird things said every once in a while and I deal with them immediately without making a huge deal about them.

Daffy waited for a week after I asked for a divorce before he uploaded all the contact info he had squirrelled away for The COW and was dating/sleeping with her almost immediately (well before we were divorced and while he was boohoohoo-ing about losing me). I don't care what he does, but I have let him know in no uncertain terms that if he introduces our children to his whore, there WILL be problems. And if he doesn't, I will not say a word. In fact, he and The COW (and her kid) are spending Daffy's birthday and the fourth of July (his day with the Boyos, I'm covering for him) with her fucktarded family in another state. Her mother is financing the trip. I hope it speeds up the inevitable crash and burn of their ... I don't know what to call it ... "relationship" seems a bit generous. Mutual delusion?

I didn't have a Plan B sitting around for two years waiting for me, so about five minutes after the divorce was final, I joined an online dating site. Got a lot of attention, messaged with a bunch of people, met with five men. Ended up with one stalker, two zero-chemistries, one sorry-I-can't-make-a-two-hour-drive-for-lunch-dates and had a fling with someone who poofed on me after several weeks of (what appeared to me to be) escalating feelings/beginning relationship stuff. That one threw me for a bit of a loop. (But just a bit of one!) Took my profile down. That entire episode lasted six weeks. It was good practice but frantic and utterly ridiculous and took up way too much energy that I want to put elsewhere.

I joined a few meetup.com groups and those are great. I've been active in a book club that meets once a month and I went on my first hike with a hiking group this weekend. I reconnected with an old friend who got me back into golf after 10 years of not picking up my clubs and doing other stuff together, too. I think sheís thrilled to have another divorced mom to do stuff with, honestly. I have my watercolor stuff ready to go but havenít had time yet to do that.

I am planning a road trip this summer to bring the boyos up to my hometown to meet their new niece (who has not been in the hospital in the last two weeks, YAY!) and reconnect with family, etc. I didnít see anyone when I was there in April because it was all about supporting my sister and her family.

I am going to spend a long weekend in Nicaragua at an eco-lodge in September. I just bought the plane tickets last night. An old friend who lives there will be my traveling companion/tour guide.

My job also decided to change when everything else was upside down and sideways; I report to a new boss who does things radically different than the old one. There is a bit of a learning curve but Iím excited about what this means for my career. (Most days, anyway. Hee hee.)

UmÖ and I bought some strappy turquoise sandals with a kitten heel. I think thatís it.


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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m334455
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Default  Posted: 10:35 AM, June 26th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ah, Nell. If only I were half as cool as you...

Though I do like watercolors -- in college my watercolor art professor was trying to "save me" from my Chem major...

Honest: this is not the decision I WANTED to make; but it is what I saw coming. My husband never shed a single tear over this. He's just remorseless. He used my grief and confusion to bully me into buying a yacht we can't afford... I'll stop. The point is: when you see no remorse and a lot of rugsweeping, odds are that the behavior will continue.

He bought a new car in December because he was going to need one for commuting. A red, fast car with 5 seats (for his 6 person family) and... wait for it... he's been bitching on a regular basis for the last 2 months that I "won't let him" buy a Lotus.

Just add it to the list, folks.

I can't wait to see where he plans to put the baby when it's his turn to have the kids. Maybe he can strap the car seat to the roof a la Mitt Romney.

No, I wanted him to extract his head out of his ass.

Anyway, too bad for him that he forgot to get me to buy the house he wants before he got caught philandering again.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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