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beautifulmess7
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Default  Posted: 9:31 AM, June 21st (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Godsgirl - I'm so sorry you are going through such a mind-game with him right now. I really don't think there could be a mistake, but I do suggest you call them up and ask for a copy of the bill. Any information you can get will help ease your mind.

As for why he would do this. I can't answer that. It's SA - they don't have the same brains that you or I have. It may not even be that he doesn't care about you or your marriage. But if the addiction takes ahold then that doesn't even enter their mind.

Liars lie, though, and SAs are the best of the best. They have been lying their entire life - to their family, friends, significant others, even themselves. They can sound convincing because they really want to believe they are telling the truth. They want to think of themselves as good people, good husbands, good fathers - and deny or compartmentalize or rug-sweep anything that doesn't fit that idea of themselves.


Posts: 242 | Registered: Apr 2012 | From: Virginia
Ghostwalker
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Default  Posted: 6:15 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This board has been way too quiet -- and it worries me. Where did everyone go? Check in, sisters. Updates, please...

Love,
Ghost


This is the Hour of Lead --
Remembered, if outlived,
As Freezing persons, recollect the Snow --
First -- Chill -- then Stupor -- then the letting go --

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Goldenrule
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Default  Posted: 6:49 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hello Ghost,

Goldenrule checking in. I'm the silent type, don't post much. Just to let everyone on the fence know, when they(SAWH) show you who they are believe them.

Mine begged not to divorce him, He'd get help...yada,yada,yada, and he did for awhile.

I knew he wasn't in active recovery, couldn't take anymore, and D him.

He keeps claiming, I'm not the same man I was. BS, he's still on the sex sites looking for hook-ups. And this was the man that would do anything to save his marriage, yeah right.

It was so, so hard to make the break, but i'm so glad i did. I, (we), deserve so much better.

My life is so much calmer now. If the Lord is willing, maybe someday i'll find a GOOD man to share the remaining years with.

Take care of you!! Big Hugs to all of my sisters.

Goldenrule


BW-51
WH-49
2 CHILDREN
D-DAY 08-05-07
IT IS WHAT IT IS

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Ghostwalker
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Default  Posted: 7:20 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ah Goldenrule, thanks for posting. It's nice to know there is peace on the other side of this.

I am only fence sitting due to finances. My SAWH's career tanked during the last two years. He claims, "the economy". Methinks it was his addiction. We cannot afford to divorce right now, although we are separated. (which we also cannot afford)

There is no moving forward under these circumstances. I am stuck.

Hugs to all...


This is the Hour of Lead --
Remembered, if outlived,
As Freezing persons, recollect the Snow --
First -- Chill -- then Stupor -- then the letting go --

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hathnofury
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Default  Posted: 7:34 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hey Ghostie! ((hugs))

My parents visited last week, so I had no time to post or read here. Got a lot of stuff done and had a weekend trip to a small town for shits and grins. Twas fun. Also our lease is up on the old house this month so we have been scrambling to get it empty.

We also had our wedding anniversary, which I did not do a thing for. SAWH went out and bought fancy takeout for us to share after the kids went to bed. He toasted our glass of wine with "May the next 14 years together be even better than the last." Well, I certainly hope so.

Basically every day I don't have a stroke or mental breakdown is a good day. Post nup almost done, disclosure in the works, etc. I just want it all to be done already.

Hope the rest of you are enjoying your summer!


BS 43, SAWH 38. M 15years, together 17. Body count in the triple digits. Both in recovery, trying to R.
Three kids under age 11.

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Ghostwalker
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Default  Posted: 8:32 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

((((Hath))))

"Basically every day I don't have a stroke or mental breakdown is a good day."

I hear you, sweetie! Stay strong!!!!


This is the Hour of Lead --
Remembered, if outlived,
As Freezing persons, recollect the Snow --
First -- Chill -- then Stupor -- then the letting go --

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scaredyKat
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Default  Posted: 9:53 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm here, too. I read, probably far too much. My tagline is still current. I worry about all of you. My IC says I am burnt out and need a respite from recovery. We leave for a long vacation on the 8th, she says leave all the crap behind. I'll do my best.

I think she got to the roots of why I am so angry all the time. And why I act so bitter, reserved and generally bitchy around a truly remorseful SAfWH. To act "happy" or to BE happy would be a gift to ME. I hate feeling like I do. I have some higher power work to do. And I am not sure how to go about that...
But it does go back to childhood stuff. It wasn't supposed to be like this. I wasn't supposed to be with someone who didn't love me. I was supposed to BREAK that pattern.
So, I do what I've always done when stressed...I clean. I organize closets. Such ACOA behavior you have never seen in action!
Hang in there my sweet and strong sisters...


Me-BS-59
HIM-SAFWH-63
Damn autocorrect is responsible for the silly errors, sorry!

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Nature_Girl
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Default  Posted: 10:20 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am on my 2nd lawyer. This one gives a damn & knows how to get me divorced. STBX has been hiding his money, but those days are coming to an end.

Even though this is terrifying, divorcing STBX and not having a job & not knowing how I'll support me & the kids, IT'S BETTER THAN LIVING WITH STBX! Oh Lord, I am so happy I do not have to live with a SA any more!


Me = BS (Stay-at-home-mom)
Him = EX-d out (abusive troglodyte NPD SA)
3 elementary school-aged kids
Together 20 years
D-Day: Memorial Weekend 2011
2013 - I DIVORCED HIM, I'M FREE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOJpIwF47Y

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ChoosingHope
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Default  Posted: 10:48 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((Ghost))) and (((friends)))
Ghost - I'm thinking of you each and every day.

As for me, the Divorce Complaint was filed at the courthouse yesterday. He officially gets served at OW's home next week.

Life is a roller coaster, but there's something very liberating about spending therapy money on MYSELF and MY issues for a change. Now, when I spend $175, I get tons of good, solid and compassionate advice about ME, my options, my future.

Money is a huge issue here too, Ghost. I know you won't be surprised to hear this. When these guys go down, they go down hard. Especially when they start out so high. If I didn't have to worry about finances, the weight of the world would be off my shoulders thanks to this divorce. But the financial part is terrifying to me.

Anyhow, my kiddies continue to be okay. They are safe, loved, here with me. Lots of camp, lots of playdates so that their mom can catch her breath and go up and down on the roller coaster while they're not around.

Hath - so nice that your parents came to visit and you got away for the weekend. And so glad about the post nup. May you never have to use it. (But rest better knowing that it's soon complete.)

Kat - your words resonated with me. I hope you have a good vacation away.

NG - onwards and upwards, my friend!

-Hope


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dumped&replaced
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Default  Posted: 11:52 PM, June 28th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi,

I am kind of a newbie to this site - choosing hope has made me realize that yeah...if it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, talks like a duck it's a DUCK hahahaha

I posted here awhile back after finding he pd $40 a month to affairmatch.com looking for a married woman to F***....just recently I came across several pictures he took of himself below the waist...oh and let's not forget all the "soiled" underpants I found regularly in the cabinet next to our computer while he was supposedly playing computer games...and I was upstairs reading a book and hoping he would come "snuggle"...

Beatifulnes7 - your post really spoke to me though:

they don't have the same brains that you or I have. It may not even be that he doesn't care about you or your marriage. But if the addiction takes ahold then that doesn't even enter their mind. Liars lie, though, and SAs are the best of the best. They have been lying their entire life - to their family, friends, significant others, even themselves. They can sound convincing because they really want to believe they are telling the truth. They want to think of themselves as good people, good husbands, good fathers - and deny or compartmentalize or rug-sweep anything that doesn't fit that idea of themselves.

I could not find a better description of STBXH if I tried...and I think even if HE read what u wrote, he would agrre ...he learned to lie as a child to get out of trouble...this was a family where APPEARANCE MEANT EVERYTHING - kids didnt' make mistakes..all that mattered was being perfect or, more accurately "appearing perfect " to the outside world...it is sooooo sad...

So that part of me that understands HOW he became this sick, twisted sex addict who is now living with a married whore, wants to feel sorry for him and does want to be friends with him cuz "it's not his fault"....OMG REALLY????

One day we all have to grow up and stop blaming our parents...he never did and probably never will - SO DONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!


Dday: 8/22/11
Divorce final: 10/6/12 - my 22nd wedding anniversary
Married: 21 years, together 23 years
BS: 51
WS: 47
2 awesome sons, ages 19 & 20

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hopefulfutur
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Default  Posted: 7:18 AM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

To all here. I would like to hear from everyone.

Is there a difference in your sex life when SA is indulging in porn or other things? Do you notice that if he/she has been watching it, does SA get more inventive in the bedroom, if SA's not watching porn is it more normal, does SA attempt to reach out more to you when not watching porn?


I guess I'm just looking for signs. Stupid things set me off and I'm tired of the stupid things setting me off.

[This message edited by hopefulfutur at 7:20 AM, June 29th (Friday)]


DDay 9/30/11
DDay 3/13/12
Separated 11/10/2012

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KickedintheGut
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Default  Posted: 8:05 AM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hey Ghost and all.

We are doing ok here. SAWH picked up his 18 month chip this week. He's still going to therapy once a month. He's trying.

As far as I know, he's not acting out. I don't 100% believe it, but that's because I don't 100% believe in anything any more. I definitely am more of a realist than I was before DDay.

Our relationship is ok. According to him, I'm the most important person in the world... now. I add that now as he's realizing that he usually only sticks with things for a year or so at a time before he bounces to something else. Restlessness is common to all addictions says his IC. He's identifying that, which is good.

All in all, right now is ok, I think. The numbers are against us. I've read that 5% of SA's will go into a stable active recovery. I think I'm hitting some sort of acceptance that I'm going to be living on the edge of a cliff. I also accept that it's my choice. If it were just him and me and not life, kids, responsibilities, plans, etc, sure... it's easy to say "Done" but there's more to it than that.

So maybe this isn't a Rah Rah Yay happy update, but it's not the worst we've been in either. I am strong (although summer vacation might just be he death of me.)


Me - BW (38) Him (calcitro) - SAWH (38)
2 Kids Working on R
DDay#1 - 11/9/10 - 2 year EA/PA
DDay #2 - 12/9/10
Disclosure - 4/8/11
Timeline - 5/9/11

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DrivingPast
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Default  Posted: 10:10 AM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I was wondering where everyone was too. I was away from the board for a few months and when I get back no one is here.

I guess Im sort of feeling like Kicked. ED has kind of killed my sex life however it does allow us to talk more. However I still find it hard to believe what he is saying. And it pisses me off to think he is just sticking to his story and is incapable of being accurate about the past, particularly beyond 1-2 years. Like someone else wrote, he is probably lying to himself.


BW
married more than 10 yrs to a possible SA
D-Day May 5 2011
"Because one knows people best through their fears - the ones they overcome and the ones they are overcome by."

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SabinatheOwl
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Default  Posted: 10:33 AM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Good morning all (esp. lurkers)! Iíve been ok. June is trigger for me, but Iím holding my own.


sK said~

it does go back to childhood stuff. It wasn't supposed to be like this. I wasn't supposed to be with someone who didn't love me. I was supposed to BREAK that pattern.

I feel similarly. I married a man who emotionally hurts me, and this is such a familiar emotional state (again, from my FOO) that Iíve tolerated it for many years. And even now Iím willing to return to the emotionally uncomfortable marriage if I can be sure he isnít acting out. Which, as we all know is totally out of my control- thank Heavens. Iím willing to settle for emotional distance and pain if he would *just be faithful.* Thatís ugly and demeaning to me, but itís the truth of where I am right now. Are I worth more than[*just fidelity*? Iím trying to be gentle with myself; I know this is the bargaining stage.

Iím angry at myself for being willing to live like this. I want authentic, connected emotional relationships in my life. I donít know how to forgive myself for this willingness, this weakness. Iím at the point where Iím more sick of his lies and how he prioritizes his Ďsecretsí but doesnít prioritize us. Doesnít honor me, doesnít believe in truth or honesty.


beautifulmess said:

Liars lie, though, and SAs are the best of the best. They have been lying their entire life - to their family, friends, significant others, even themselves. They can sound convincing because they really want to believe they are telling the truth. They want to think of themselves as good people, good husbands, good fathers - and deny or compartmentalize or rug-sweep anything that doesn't fit that idea of themselves.


Iím just starting to be able to wrap my heart around this truth. My head has known this for over a year, but my heart, my inner child, resisted for a long, long time. Denial is so powerful, so..tempting. I wanted so much to believe sawh would be different. My ego keeps getting in my way. I want to believe *I* should be enough for him to want to be better. Howís that for hubris?! Lord knows, Iím a piece of work. Truthfully, he doesnít believe *heís* worth truth, honesty, authentic emotional connections, etc. Thatís the saddest part of all- he doesnít believe in his own worth, he doesnít love *himself* enough to honor his Self. So naturally this means he can only love me as much as he loves himself. Sadly, this is no longer enough for me.


He put a down payment on a new ring for me. An action, not words. I feel naked without a ring. I have one from before we were married, but Iím afraid to wear it for fear Iíll lose it (I lost my 10 year anniversary ring right after we had it repaired). Iíll feel better wearing a ring, but the depth of meaning isnít there. Itís pretty. The saleslady says it ďpopsĒ on my hand. Our anniversary is in early Sept. & weíll have it by then.


Hopefulfutur said~

Is there a difference in your sex life when SA is indulging in porn or other things? Do you notice that if he/she has been watching it, does SA get more inventive in the bedroom, if SA's not watching porn is it more normal, does SA attempt to reach out more to you when not watching porn?

Heís actually *present* when we have sex now. At least I think he is, Itís hard to know. If you rdead the board, itís fairly unusual for a sex addict to have sex with their partner- itís too intimate.

Do something nice for yourself this weekend~ Sabina


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Maya Angelou


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DrivingPast
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Default  Posted: 1:12 PM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Has anyone seen the website or read "Your Brain On Porn"?
Thoughts?

If you havent, I might suggest you be careful. I didnt read much but it triggered the HELL out of me and made me really angry at him (probably due to the current ED).

About sex, well, it can vary. Ive heard of SA who want to re-enact the porn in a very impersonal way. You feel there is not an emotional connection. Some do not want to kiss or make eye contact. I didnt experience that. My h wanted a normal amt of sex (not a lot not too little) and was really vanilla. When my h was deep into things, I was refusing to have sex 99% of the time. He would still 'try' if you call groping me trying. He would also complain that I didnt want to cuddle at bedtime. He said I love you every night, and I didnt say it back. (This was before he knew I knew, before any confrontation). Now that Im thinking about it, I do kind of see that he had become a little creepy (impersonal/pervert-like) about the groping. Maybe that is a sign. Then again it seems like that could be 'normal' clueless male behavior. IDK.

I have another question....
would it be unusual for a SA to have watched porn on an occasional basis like once every month or two rather than obsessively?

ETA: Im not saying it was "normal" in my husbands case, was more saying that it may not be a definitive "sign" that something is off.

[This message edited by DrivingPast at 1:14 PM, June 29th (Friday)]


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married more than 10 yrs to a possible SA
D-Day May 5 2011
"Because one knows people best through their fears - the ones they overcome and the ones they are overcome by."

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Nature_Girl
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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My STBX tried to act out the porn. However, I was not into my mouth being raped, I did not like the things he did, and he couldn't maintain an erection from a normal sexual encounter. Couldn't keep it up for vaginal sex, could barely keep it hard for a blow job. For the most part, sex with STBX felt like a prostitution encounter. Very impersonal. (now I know he was into prostitutes, my impression of these times is validated) Often I felt he'd have had a better time with his hand sitting in front of the computer. Often I felt he was NOT present, he was somewhere in his mind. When he'd do things I didn't like & I'd object or suggest modification, he'd do them anyway because he knew better than I did. I'd just lay there & cry during the times he could stay hard for intercourse, begging him to please hurry up & finish as he pounded away until my crotch was swollen & bruised. He was always proud of himself when he'd fucked me so hard I'd bleed and was sore for a week or longer.


Me = BS (Stay-at-home-mom)
Him = EX-d out (abusive troglodyte NPD SA)
3 elementary school-aged kids
Together 20 years
D-Day: Memorial Weekend 2011
2013 - I DIVORCED HIM, I'M FREE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBOJpIwF47Y

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beautifulmess7
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Default  Posted: 3:48 PM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thatís the saddest part of all- he doesnít believe in his own worth, he doesnít love *himself* enough to honor his Self.

I think this is very true. I don't know if any of you others read the post from floridaredman about the "I still loved you" thing we almost all get. I thought it was excellent. Here's the link: http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=461218&HL=35259.

I really do think that SAs don't love themselves. Maybe they don't even know what love is. I think my SAWH is learning. The other day he said that he likes himself most of the time, which is better than he's ever felt about himself ever.

dumped&replaced - glad that I made some sense to you. It's something that is difficult for me to accept because my brain really never would think like that. My husband is coming out of that backwards thinking now and starting to process things like a rational human being. There are still days when he says or does something that just makes absolutely no sense, though... I still catch him occassionally lying about something so STUPID because it's his default mode. He is much quicker now to actually catch himself and admit the truth, though.

Hopefulfutur said~
Is there a difference in your sex life when SA is indulging in porn or other things? Do you notice that if he/she has been watching it, does SA get more inventive in the bedroom, if SA's not watching porn is it more normal, does SA attempt to reach out more to you when not watching porn?

My husband has almost no desire for me sexually when he was acting out. I could be coming onto him, wearing barely anything, and get no response. Once I got frustrated, gave up, and went to another room next thing I know he is on the computer. A quick browser search later in the day would find porn. He actually would turn me down for a 2-D image on a computer screen.

When we did have sex, it defintiely wasn't more "inventive" as you said. In fact, he struggled with ED fairly often. I have now read that is common for men with porn problems.

Now that he hasn't watched any in over a year (according to him, which I have nothing to prove otherwise), he is more affectionate. The sex is still a little too "vanilla" for me, but I think it's because he is afraid of triggering something by spicing things up.

I hope all of you have a good weekend and a great 4th!


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beautifulmess7
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Nature_Girl - Just read your post. Wow, and sorry. Some of that sounds so familiar. The mouth-fucking thing - definitely. But at the same time he had problems keeping it hard ALL the time. He can't even ejaculate from blow-jobs, no matter what. He also had that jack-rabbit - faster and harder is better mentality, although I never bled.

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Default  Posted: 5:46 PM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hello all. (((Hugs)))

Sabina, your post about "settling" hit me very hard. I have a lot of thinking to do now. Especially with disclosure so close at hand. I'm not even worried about what he discloses. I worried he's still lying, lying by omision, unable to truly love anyone including himself, etc. and I am completely not addressing the "settling" as a result. Gah. I hope you can find some peace, Sabina. You deserve it.

As for the porn and ED discussion, ugh. Fairly normal sex life prior to discovery, dry spells usually at my insistence, no traditional ED although sometimes it took him a long time to climax. I know now that the Viagra/Cialis/etc had a lot to do with that. I mean, I have proof he bought enough for every 10 days, and he's taken at least a half dozen trips overseas over 15 years so he could have easily bought them there as well as more here that I don't know about. He had a pill cutter so he probably learned quickly how little he could take so I wouldn't notice most of the time.

He was never rough or abusive, but he did keep asking me to do things that were not vanilla, or he'd ask me for one time "favors" of stuff I told him I wasn't into. He never asked me to do stuff I said I wouldn't do, just the stuff I didn't mind doing occasionally if he was willing to do the same for me. I'm sure a lot of it was driven from the images of porn. The escalation into the more extreme stuff (without my involvement) only started in the last year or so before my discovery, and I don't know how much of it was porn driven and how much of it was just the effect of lesser stuff had worn off.

DP, as for infrequent porn use...IDK. I mean, there are alcoholics that only drink on weekends, or once a month, etc. and manage to get by the rest of the time for whatever reason. But of course it's more likely he's lying about the frequency. I can't really say. I'm pretty sure SAWH masturbated and watched porn almost every day of his adult life, and probably much of his teen years.

I've been having these AHA (or more like Oh Shit, LOL) moments the last couple of days and more stuff is making sense regarding SAWH's past behaviors. I realize now the evidence I have is just the top half of the iceberg. I see why SAWH is walking on eggshells and like a family dog is surprised I come home every day. And I need to quit trying to measure the iceberg and deal with Sabina's "settling" quandry. Because at this volume, it doesn't matter if it's a 1000 pounds of shit or 1,000,000 pounds of shit, getting hit with either results in critical damage.

[This message edited by hathnofury at 5:49 PM, June 29th (Friday)]


BS 43, SAWH 38. M 15years, together 17. Body count in the triple digits. Both in recovery, trying to R.
Three kids under age 11.

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SabinatheOwl
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Default  Posted: 8:23 PM, June 29th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Re: ED

He's had it since before DDay #1. I think he's tried to tell himself it's low testosterone, his weight (he's 100+ lbs. Overweight), his stress level, etc. He has been in medical treatment for it for over two years now. IMO, much of it is psychological- a direct result of what he has done. Not that I'd tell him that, unless directly asked.

NG, I'm so so sorry for what happened to you. ((NG)) Thank the Lord you're out of there. And have a great lawyer!

Re: porn

SAWH doesn't watch much of it at all. At least what I can track. Once in a huge while, I'll watch a DVD with him & we enjoy each other, but that's pretty rare. How much he does at work I don't know. His computer use is in a pretty open location, so I don't think it's much. But I don't know for sure.

Hath, I hear you about the 1,000 vs. 1,000,000 lbs. It's all damaging.

Love to all! S.

[This message edited by SabinatheOwl at 8:24 PM, June 29th (Friday)]


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