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User Topic: Penn State - Kaboom!
ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 8:58 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

INDIANAPOLIS – The NCAA took unprecedented actions against Penn State on Monday in response to the Jerry Sandusky child sexual molestation scandal, fining the school $60 million, cutting scholarships for four years, imposing a four-year postseason ban and vacating all wins from 1998-2011.

Vacating the wins means the late Joe Paterno no longer is the winningest major college football coach in history.

The actions were unprecedented both for their severity and how they unfolded. The normal NCAA enforcement process did not take place. Instead, NCAA president Mark Emmert gained approval from the Board of Directors for the penalties. The board is made up of 22 college presidents and chancellors.

Edward J. Ray, the NCAA executive committee chairman and president of Oregon State, said, "Not only does the NCAA have the authority to act in this case, we also have the responsibility."

Ray cited the Sandusky criminal investigation and the recently released Freeh Commission report as reasons for the NCAA actions. Ray noted that Penn State commissioned the Freeh report and agreed with the findings.

The $60 million fine, which Emmert said equaled one year of gross revenue from the football team, will be used to establish an endowment to help child sexual abuse victims.

Penn State will be banned from the postseason for four years, which includes the Big Ten championship game and any bowl appearance. Initial scholarships have been reduced to 15 from 25 for four years; that means Penn State can sign just 15 recruits a year for four years. In addition, any player can transfer immediately without sitting out.

Emmert said Penn State has signed a consent decree in regard to the penalties, and he said the NCAA will work with Penn State to make sure the school implements the procedures called for by the NCAA.

Sandusky, a former Penn State defensive coordinator, was convicted of 45 counts of child molestation and is awaiting sentencing.

Would have also been nice to have seen those involved in the cover-up also lose their very valuable pensions.

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metamorphisis
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Default  Posted: 9:02 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Standing Ovation.



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aesir
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Default  Posted: 9:04 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I kinda feel bad for the players that signed there in good faith who now can't go to any bowl games.

I had heard that there was talk of removing the statue of Paterno. Hopefully this will expedite that decision.

ETA:
I think it would have been better if there had been a ban on everyone involved in the coverup participating in a football program.

[This message edited by aesir at 9:06 AM, July 23rd (Monday)]


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Default  Posted: 9:05 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Would have also been nice to have seen those involved in the cover-up also lose their very valuable pensions

That still may happen because the NCAA has reserved the right to impose individual sanctions after adjudication of the individuals.

I am most surprised with the vacating of the wins. I am pleased but surprised.

I think they made the right call on not implementing the "death penalty" and suspending football for a period of time because so many area businesses and vendors and employees would be affected negatively.

I think the NCAA rose to the occasion here and put other college athletic programs are on notice.


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ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 9:07 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The statue and the plaques with his wins were all removed over the weekend.


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metamorphisis
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Default  Posted: 9:07 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The statue is already removed aesir.



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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I had heard that there was talk of removing the statue of Paterno.

The statue was removed yesterday.

As for other players, they were all offered the option to transfer without penalty to other programs. You are right though it is a shame but there is always going to be collateral damage in a scandal of this magnitude.

[This message edited by UR_AN_IDIOT at 9:08 AM, July 23rd (Monday)]


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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This will kill the football program for decades.

The inability to offer as many scholarships or attend post season will definitely hamper their recruiting efforts.

[This message edited by ajsmom at 9:09 AM, July 23rd (Monday)]


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ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 9:10 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

As for other players, they were all offered the option to transfer without penalty to other programs.

Hard to believe they'll all fit in elsewhere, but let's hope it does for the players sakes.


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metamorphisis
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Default  Posted: 9:11 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

As for other players, they were all offered the option to transfer without penalty to other programs. You are right though it is a shame but there is always going to be collateral damage in a scandal of this magnitude.

Agreed. As a parent I would be telling my son that so many boys like he had once been were grievously hurt, with consequences that will last their lifetimes, and that he still had bright choices ahead of him. Consequences are uncomfortable and far reaching. One more reason for disgust at that administration. To allow things to continue to not effect new players would be rug sweeping in my opinion.



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Default  Posted: 9:19 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

OMFG, 'kaboom' does not BEGIN to describe it!!!

I have always thought of the NCAA as a very hypocritical organization, but at least they are doing something right here.


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Default  Posted: 9:25 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

As for other players, they were all offered the option to transfer without penalty to other programs.
Hard to believe they'll all fit in elsewhere, but let's hope it does for the players sakes.

Also, call me naive, but I would like to think that some of them are attending Penn State for an education which will still be disrupted.

I don't have any solutions for them that would not fall into the category of rug sweeping, but I still feel bad for the innocent players.


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Default  Posted: 9:58 AM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The $60 million fine, which Emmert said equaled one year of gross revenue from the football team

Why punish the team, let them play and fine the school the school $240 mil.

They are trying to punish the school aren't they?

Just a thought.


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Why punish the team, let them play and fine the school the school $240 mil.

They are trying to punish the school aren't they?

You really cannot punish the school without punishing the team. The two are mutually exclusive.


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Default  Posted: 12:01 PM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This is awesome. I hope that it truly makes a difference in the future by putting the other teams on notice.

Coming from Western PA, I don't know a single family that doesn't have some kind of tie to PSU. It's a shame. I guess I'm now officially a Pitt fan!!


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Default  Posted: 12:25 PM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Some guy I grew up just wrote on FB that he is going to visit Penn State and stop by the place where Paterno's statue used to be and say a prayer for his Joe Pa. He said to him it will always be "Paterno Land" or whatever they call it. No mention about saying a prayer for the victims. Made me sick.


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Reading threads on another site were so disturbing. All the sympathy and concern for the memory of Paterno and NONE for the victims. He wasn't a god, he was a selfish, arrogant man who had no interest in protecting kids.


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Default  Posted: 1:40 PM, July 23rd (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yeah, but ... Chicago Tribune yesterday published an article lamenting the fact that Northwestern is having trouble finding the space they need for upgrading its facilities. If NU takes more space, they'll cut Evanston's property tax revenues, and raise taxes for everyone else, but the Trib wants a bigger program they can cover and thereby sell more advertising.

Penn State is off the scale in coddling its football 'program', but the whole business of big time college football is corrupt, and that message is just getting lost.

The NCAA vacated victories for 13 years, so one year of revenues doesn't sound like that big a penalty to me.

I, too, have great sympathy for the players.

Disclaimer: NU has driven my property taxes sky high, so I'm no Big 10 fan. I grew up watching Ivy League football, and I think the Ivy League has a half-way decent approach to sports.

[This message edited by sisoon at 1:42 PM, July 23rd (Monday)]


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Why punish the team, let them play and fine the school the school $240 mil.
They are trying to punish the school aren't they?

You really cannot punish the school without punishing the team. The two are mutually exclusive.

I wonder how many members of the team being punished are also victims.

I could get onboard with the $240 Million fine and a lifetime ban on everyone who was involved in the coverup participating in any athletic programs. How many involved in the coverup have their resumes out now to other university programs.


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