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User Topic: Jodie Arias Trial
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Default  Posted: 1:00 PM, May 26th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The foreman is a man in his late 60s or 70s. He stated he believes that she must have been abused because he couldn't believe a WOMAN could commit such a crime without enormous provocation. He admits inappropriately allowing his own feelings color his application of the law. He failed as a juror and a foreperson.

That said, the jury did NOT have the information we do. They worked VERY hard, and were a VERY attentive and intelligent group. They did their job as best they could. The 8-4 split will likely ensure another penalty phase rather than a shift to LWOP.

The next jury--and I do believe one will be impaneled--will have more information. Jodi's media blitz (which Sheriff Joe says is now OVER) was intended to taint the jury pool, but I believe will backfire big-time.

But even a Luddite new jury will be clear-eyed and without the great fatigue the recently-released jury had.

And I am convinced that Juan Martinez will take this experience and use it to ensure that Jodi Arias, the Alexander family, and society see justice.


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Default  Posted: 1:14 PM, May 26th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I was sickened by a lot of what the jury foreman had to say. He mentioned she was crucified in the court of public opinion, and he discounted a lot of her lies after the murder. He didn't say anything about her outrageous claims of physical abuse or the even worse claim of pedophilia which had no bearing on the case whatsoever. I did not like him. I really got the impression he was "enchanted" by her. Or maybe it was just his skewed prejudice about her being a woman, therefore she wouldn't have done anything without provocation.

[This message edited by Dark Inertia at 1:24 PM, May 26th (Sunday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:00 PM, May 26th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I agree with you DI about the foreman. And perhaps he encouraged 3 others to go in that direction. You have to wonder IF he discussed DP and voted DP would the others follow? Don't know. Somebody will speak out soon, magazine, tv, book. We'll get more details.

IF the Alexander family is up to it, and want top continue to fight this, then I hope they get a new jury for this last phase. This new jury will come equipped with additional knowledge that the original jury did not have privy too....doesn't hurt to have those nuggets floating around in your brain while you figure out her penalty.

Don't most states have the jury decide guilt/innocence, and then the judge, (who has high/low values she can penalize with) does that final part. Maybe that is best???

During this trial there has also been discussion about professional jurers. These jurers would be smart (we don't always get that in jurors), unbiased presumably, aware of the law and be able to apply it to the facts when reaching their decision. I hope this is considered further.

No more OJ Simpson stuff.
No more Casey Anthony stuff.

and

No more Jodi Aria stuff.

Bad people have fooled good people...time for this stuff to stop.


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Default  Posted: 4:31 PM, May 27th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

During my googling this afternoon I found out that the foreman encouraged the other jurors to NOT say anything to the press till Tuesday (tomorrow)....but he snuck in quickly and got his interviews out first. And he has a radio show....looking for fame would be my guess.

His words chilled me. He was not there for the right reasons. Not because of how he voted (though I disagree with him), but because of his jaded rationale.

[This message edited by JanetS at 4:33 PM, May 27th (Monday)]


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Default  Posted: 6:30 PM, May 27th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

When I got married in 1983 my husband and I were in Vegas, and decided to take a road trip to Mesa to visit his cousin (now deceased). This cousin worked for the Mesa Police Dept. as a criminal photographer....had he been alive it might have been him who took those crime scene photos. Yuck!

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Default  Posted: 11:39 AM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tonight on HLN they are going to have interviews with several members of the jury.

I believe that the jury foreman had a bias. And, his bias colored his verdict.


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Default  Posted: 1:53 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'll be watching this. I saw one other woman jurer (who did vote death penalty). She did not feel comfortable talking about anything but her own decision...but she did say it was pretty obvious early on in the penalty deliberations that there was a difference of opinion.

The foreman holds a powerful position. If he is pushing towards a specific verdict it might be that weaker persons sitting on the line might go in his direction.

Foreman is stating that a jury should NOT be the ones who decide on death penalty. HMMMM Seems to me that they ASKED that specific question while choosing the jury. I do not believe he was honest. That, apparently, is perjury.


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Default  Posted: 2:04 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have no cable!!! Can someone please post an update to what the jury has to say tonight? Also, I heard Jodi is in solitary confinement, any truth to that?


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Default  Posted: 4:35 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Arias will experience isolation and placement in level 5 maximum security for at least two years if given life and eternity if given the death penalty. This video describes the conditions of confinement of such a place inside prisons...This was in the comments under a u-tube video about Jodi being in solitary confinement. Don't know how credible it is....I hope it is right. I hope they don't even give her a stainless steel shiny surface so she can gaze upon herself. Truly alone...there is some satisfaction.

I'll update.

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just googled again. It's unclear. The solitary confinement situation may be referring to the night(s) after her conviction for muder 1, when she gave the interviews, and said she wanted to die. They "may" have used solitary as a sort of "suicide watch" (though suicide watch is not the same as solitary). Like everything with this trial, who knows?

[This message edited by JanetS at 4:49 PM, May 28th (Tuesday)]


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Default  Posted: 7:07 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ahh, bummer, Janet. :(

Anyone know what time this interview is tonight? I wonder when it is going to hit youtube.

[This message edited by Dark Inertia at 7:08 PM, May 28th (Tuesday)]


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Default  Posted: 7:30 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I wasn't able to watch much, but on Jane Velez-Whatever, I saw one alternate on her show. This started at 7:00 ET. There is supposed to be jurors on Nancy Grace, but when I flipped that on, they were talking about Caryn Kelly. Dr. Drew is supposed to have some jurors on, too.


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Default  Posted: 9:35 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Dr. Drew and his panel have one juror and one alternate. Both were convinced death penalty.

Juror #6 is the one talking now. she is the one who worded "I'm sorry" to TA's family on the way out. She seems quite smart. She does not believe the foreman bullied anybody to vote his way (I'm sad to hear that).

New alternate on Dr. D. right now. She would have voted DP. Jodi stared at here...eyes copmletely looked onto her,for about 40 secs. She did not know what that was about.

Another alternate earlier in the day was another receiver of the Jodi stare down. She too was perplexed. Was Jodi trying to scare them????

The family says they wish to continue with a new jury for the penalty phase...so they may be that the ask the prosecutor go for another trial. I hope they are listened to now...they were ignored before.

Corrected because it looks like I was drunk when I typed this last night. Wasn't, but I was in the dark, and I was tired...eyes/fingers were not co-operating. I also added a bit more.

[This message edited by JanetS at 7:47 AM, May 29th (Wednesday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:37 PM, May 28th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you for that update! I am getting very curious as to what the other jurors who did not vote for the DP have to say.


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Default  Posted: 2:20 PM, May 29th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

They (Life Voters) are all keeping silent as far as I can tell. The foreman has not said specifically that he voted life, but he's inferred it.

I know if I voted life I'd want to keep quiet about this....but then I would not have voted life, so it's a moot point.


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Default  Posted: 3:23 PM, May 29th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You know, truth be told I am not mad at anyone in the jury.

Frustrated, sure, but mad, no.

For whatever reason, those people couldnt put a woman to death - maybe it weighed on their mind that one day, she would die and the would be the cause of it. Maybe they signed that document that said they 'could' pick the DP, but in the end, when faced with the choice and in that situation, couldn't.

Anyone can see that the DP is a logical choice. It's not over kill on the case, its a justifiable choice. The crime was brutal. There was cover up, there was massive lying.

If she would not have covered it up, if she would not have overkilled, if she would not have lied, then I probably would think that life was more applicable, but there was no mercy in her for TA....she should be subjected to the same fate as him.


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Default  Posted: 1:20 PM, July 11th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Remember when we were obsessed with this?

I haven't thought much about it since we stopped posting on this thread. However, just saw a short blurb somewhere that said that the DA was possibly going to drop the death penalty. Does anyone have more info on this?

Has anyone still been following this closely? Isn't it getting close to the new trail date? July 18th I thought was the new trail date. I was kind of waiting for that.


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Default  Posted: 2:32 PM, July 11th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I've been wondering about that upcoming trial myself Sister.

I hope they don't take the death penalty off the table. I can't think of anyone more deserving than Jodie Arias.


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Default  Posted: 5:14 PM, July 11th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I agree deeplysad. I did a little research and what I have found out is that the death penalty trial isn't going to start on July 18th. They will be in court on July 18th, though. The defense team has asked the judge to push the trail back to January 2014. That is so unfair to Travis's family! I hope the judge denies the request.

eta: The only reason the judge is considering this is because "new information" has been acquired. What? Hope we find out what that new info is on July 18th.

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 5:15 PM, July 11th (Thursday)]


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Default  Posted: 6:47 PM, July 11th (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

New info? Probably that she's a model prisoner.


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Default  Posted: 8:58 AM, July 16th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The news is saying that they are back in court today.




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