I have to say that my WH did that past-and-future only thing while he was in the A (before d-day). He had stopped rewriting the marriage, so he remembered that we had been happy for 12 years. He knew the A was wrong, and he planned to come back to me emotionally and love me right again when it was over. But he was stuck in it. He couldn't figure out how to get out and couldn't imagine coming clean to me.
Is it possible that your WH hasn't told you the worst of it?
[This message edited by sailorgirl at 12:07 PM, April 26th (Friday)]
It sounds like he's jerking you around in the same way, and my guess is that he'll keep giving you just enough hope to keep you hanging on. Just don't let him waffle on you. It's hell. ((HUGS))
We are in R.
Just beforehand we were talking about things upstairs in the bedroom. He kept bouncing from one thing to another, as if testing out reasons to leave:
* I'm too good for him
No, we're both just fallible human beings
* He loves me but doesn't like some things about me
Well he's not exactly perfect either and he knew all those things about me before we married almost 14 years ago
* listing my faults
See above and I didn't throw a bomb into our marriage
* He's a bad selfish person
Yes he has been, but that's all about choices. He could choose to make different choices. Leaving is a selfish bad choice.
* He doesn't feel like he's made to be in a relationship
Umm, hello, we've been married for almost 14 years and were dating for 3 years before that. He did pretty well until the last few years. Slow learner?
* I've not been happy for a long time
See above and if he'd actually talked about it we could have dealt with it. It's not too late to turn things around now, if he's willing to do the work together
These are all things he said right from the beginning when I first began to discover things. Nothing has changed. He has just got better at saying the right things.
And there was no concern for me or the boys. Well he made one comment about us being better without him because he'll just hurt me again. But that was all about him too. Not really feeling hopeful right now. I need an actual miracle.
Oh and he also started pushing against some boundaries we have in place:
* Parental software on his mobile because of the porn thing
* Not going to works drinks because he used that to meet with her etc
These are both boundaries that he suggested, but he was talking as if he was a grumpy teen talking to their tough mum. I told him that he chose them and it was up to him to keep them, but he chose them to protect us and our marriage.
On SI it says to watch their actions over months, not just what they say. All of this conversation tells me that he's been trying to say what he thinks I want to hear, but can't keep it up because it's ot what he really wants.
Well if that's the case, then why keep me hanging on for 8 MONTHS. Why let me have hope? Why keep crushing me? Why not just leave straight away? Then I'd be 8 months further on from healing from this all.
Well, actually, he likes to be seen as the good guy. He's passive / passive aggressive. Walking away from us after having an affair can't very easily be made to look good, can it? Maybe he just wanted me to ask him to leave but I wouldn't co-operate with that. Well, good. If he wants to destroy our marriage and our family, then he can blooming well face up to that.
[This message edited by Fidelia at 11:56 AM, April 26th (Friday)]
"lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed" Heb12v13
"Oh God give me
..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.
I've been following your post for awhile and right now my heart is breaking for you. I know that you really want to save this M, but your WH really seems like he is getting ready to call it quits.
You're right, he left you hanging on for 8 months because now when he walks he can say, "Well I gave it my best, it just didn't work out." Which we all know is crap. He didn't give it his best, he half-assed it.
I am going to keep praying for you, that you have the strength to face whatever is coming your way.
One should rather die than be betrayed. There is no deceit in death. It delivers precisely what it has promised. Betrayal, though ... betrayal is the willful slaughter of hope. ~Steven Deitz
He also said he's been unhappy for some time. I asked him since when. He said the counsellor asked that too. The time correlates to when our eldest was a baby, he didn't feel respected in his job and when the EA with OW1 started.
Right now, you are too good for your H, Fidelia.
To be a good partner again, he has to look inside, accept that he doesn't like what he sees and feels, and find the courage and strength to change. Until he does that, he's useless in an M. You deserve better - and you will have to get it for yourself.
I hear your sadness. I hope your H finds himself again and works with you to rebuild your M. But staying in this sitch, without changing it, is taking the life out of you.
Second, based on your profile and posts, I assume you're C of E. Wasn't the founding principal of the C of E that a person can divorce and remarry? Are you really prohibited from remarrying by your Church - or are you just so far down that you want to eat worms?
I'm not making light of that. I've been there during R, and it's awful. But it's temporary.
You're smart, loving, insightful, full of life (which may just be a synonym for 'young') - you'll feel joy again. I hope it's with your H (since that's what you want), but if he won't get on board, choose life for yourself. Choose life.
Our timelines are very similar, and I know how devastated I would be if my WH started acting like this after 8 months. He is back to Dday behavior, right down to the blameshifting and trickle truth. How incredibly hurtful and selfish. Even if he isn't cheating again (it sounds like he is at least on the road to it) this kind of mean spirited selfishness is not what you deserve.
He tried to say that he was leaving because he had messed me around so much and didn't want to hurt me anymore.
I feel that he was lying to me for the first 4 months about the PA. The last 4 months he's been doing the minimum, saying the right things, but his actions have often not followed through.
Just before he left I asked to look at his phone. Two of his self chosen boundaries are:
1. No texting/phoning women for social reasons
2. No discussing our M with women.
He had called a female colleague and told her our marriage was in trouble. Then they exchanged some texts. And he only told me when I saw it. Well that explains the boundary pushing.
I feel that he really just wants to live as a single man. He actually almost tried to ask if he could cake eat. Saying that he wished there was some kind of halfway house between staying and leaving.
I also discovered that he'd told his parents he was going to leave, before he told me. He also bad mouthed me to them.
I hope that he's not going to try and make me look bad so that he looks like the good guy in all this. I'm not going to play these games.
I'm not looking forward to the boys waking up to find him gone. He'll be back about 3 hours after they wake up so that we can break it to them.
I did not want this. Why couldn't he face himself and his actions? Why is he running away from it all? He can fool himself that he's doing us a favour, but he's broken apart our marriage and family and broken all our hearts.
I'm glad to read you're not giving up hope. My comment that he's not much use in an M relates to now. He can change, and I hope he does, for his sake as well as yours.
I'm praying for change too. But if this, and me pursuing divorce doesn't motivate him to make changes, I don't know what will.
The counsellor said that he kind of created a second persona who could do all this hidden stuff. I feel like he's shut the real him away in a box because he can't face up to his actions, because he hates his real self. And so he's let this new persona take over. He learnt all the right things to say and even made short term changes, but they never lasted and he never fought for our marriage, only did things passively, never did anything I hadn't asked (and didn't do all of that).
Each time counselling got too close, he stopped it for a new type. But our new MC wouldn't let him try to blame me etc and I think it shook him, she might see through him. I think that's why he suddenly became so very distant this week straight after MC.
As long as he lets the A persona take charge, nothing is going to change. It's the easy option for him. Easier to break up our marriage and family than to face himself and own what he has done and actually work on making changes. It's so very sad.
Even if he decides not to R, I want him to become whole again, but I don't know if he will.