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courageous
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Default  Posted: 1:20 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I know you didn't say she was vile but someone replying to your post did.

I know you regret the suggestion about sleeping with other men but I don't think some people who have replied knew.

I guess because of my past abuse I sympathize with what your wife is going through and I recognize some of things she is doing as a reaction to abuse. I wish both of you well.


Me: BW (35)
Him: ExWH (31) EA/PA with MOW coworker
Married 9 years, 2 small kids
dday 3/12/2011 divorced fall 2012

My ipad does a lot of crazy typos.


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Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 2:09 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Very upsetting incident: heard my nine year old sobbing in his room. (My wife is at work and he'd just come home from school.).

Asked him what's wrong.

"I don't know, lots of things."

"Tell me what thoughts you are thinking."

"I don't know."

"Ok, you tell me when you're ready."

He comes out a few minutes later and I ask him what that was all about.

He says: "I'm just really worried about you and mommys relationship."

All I was able to say is that everything is going to be OK.

We are not going to tell the kids for at least a few days more, not until a day or two before my wife moves out.

I can't believe how perceptive he is. I am unaware of any change in the way we have been around the kids lately. Unless: this morning as we were leaving for school he said, "Now go hug mommy goodbye." I didn't and brushed it off jokingly.

Could it have been something as seemingly trivial as that?

Any thoughts/advice? On this but more importantly how to ultimately tell the kids? How did you handle it? How did they?


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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confused615
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Default  Posted: 2:33 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Honestly? Your DS has seen and heard enough. He came to you with his concerns,looking for answers. And you lied to him. He deserves the truth. Details? No. but he deserves..and needs the truth.


BS(me)41
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,9
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7313 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

But confused, I can't just tell him on my own. My wife and I have to talk to him about it together. We have to co parent. I don't want him hating her, which could happen if its just me telling him. We all have to sit down together when the time comes.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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confused615
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Default  Posted: 2:54 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I get that. But he came to you asking for the truth,and walked away knowing he didn't get it.

You need to fix this. With your DS. He needs one parent he can trust.

I totally get why you lied...I do...really. But you need to talk with your son..now.


BS(me)41
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,9
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7313 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
5454real
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Default  Posted: 2:57 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why wait? This is an event that will affect him for life. Are you trying to protect her? He's scared and confused, looking to you for answers. He knows something is up and probably suspects that she is leaving again.(Remember her promise to him?)

Wouldn't the two of you explaining this to him together be an easier transition rather than her just disappearing? Given her behaviors, I wouldn't put it past her to tell him you made her leave while he is at her place. Explain it together and give him time to adjust. Able to get comfort from both of you simultaneously, while you both explain it's a joint decision.

This is the bad part. I remember having to comfort my son through many nights after she left. To make it even better, she blameshifted the whole thing on my shoulders. Don't give her the same opportunity.

Be his rock. The one solid piece of ground he can always count on as his reality shifts around him.

Strength


BH 51, WW 42
DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 20(Hers),DS 9 Ours, DGS 3, DGD 1 mo
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 10yrs
“I have no love for a friend who loves in words alone.”
― Sophocles, Antigone

Posts: 2725 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: midwest
Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 3:03 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Friends,

We ARE going to tell him, together and soon. I am literally waiting for my wife to come home so we can work out together our approach and be ready for potential questions and reactions. I actually want to write it out so we won't deviate from the "script" and its main thrust--that this is NOT his or his sisters fault and we will always love them and be there for them.

Thanks for understanding this terribly difficult situation.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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Default  Posted: 3:32 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You might want to reassure you son that yes things aren't perfect but your mother and I will talk to all of you about it soon. Nothing in perfect, but at least he will know you aren't telling a lie and you will deal with it. Set a precedent for trust and follow thru, no matter how small it seems to you. You don't need to address any and every question they ask, you have to right to say that's an adult issue and don't concern yourself about it. This might be a new way of parenting your kids, but one that you will need to address on top of dealing the ex. Also another technique that helped with my kids during the rough spots was to turn it back on to them and ask them what they wanted to know, what was troubling them. A lot of the times it wasn't what was asked. Their vocabulary is small for such a big topic. Most of the time they just wanted reassurance about a change, love, how much their life would change/not change.

It really sucks that you have to deal with both parenting and legalities at the same time, but such is life.


At one time he was a man standing on marbles. Now I am a woman standing on marble.....

We are done fighting with each other and decide to fight FOR each other.


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Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 8:29 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Here comes the anger and the demon face. She is dictating the terms of divorce or what "I" have to do if she ends it with him and we stay together. What the fuck? Fuck no!

If my resolve was weakening even an iota her gift was to confirm my decision even more. Says WE damaged Our son!! And demands that I admit this! Holy shit! I am so done!

Next will come begging or threats. Not sure which will come first. I'm betting on threats.

Enjoy single motherhood.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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standingonmarble
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Default  Posted: 10:00 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

She is testing you. From here on out, she is going to test you to see if you will back down into the man you were. If she can get you to back down, she wins. Once she figures out that you won't back down she will settle down. Don't let the emotions get the best of you cuz I know you want to choke the life out of her at times for putting you all thru this.

I would recommend communicating thru email now. You will have a paper trail and you won't have any chance of a heated argument with her.


At one time he was a man standing on marbles. Now I am a woman standing on marble.....

We are done fighting with each other and decide to fight FOR each other.


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Default  Posted: 11:14 PM, May 2nd (Thursday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi Abbondad. I will admit I have not followed everything from all your posts, but I've read enough to be tempted to give you a few of my thoughts.

Firstly, I'm also in FL, and my suggestion is to file, like yesterday. We were also going to be all civil about it, but that changes very quickly when they realize they are not running the show, they do not have their hooks in us, and we will not be bowing down to all their wishes. But why should they think we would be any different since we have been bowing down and begging them from day one to save the marriage? We were constantly plan B, and they cannot stand the thought of not having us as a backup any longer. This is where they go from confusing and somewhat remorseful to batshit crazy, threatening, angry, bargaining, and blameshifting. Do not expect her niceness to last very long when she realizes you are no longer putting up with her bullshit. This is why you get so much advice to get some things in writing while they are still feeling guilty, because I promise that will all change.

Perhaps this doesn't help, but I do have protection in place in the form of administrative orders, but my STBX STILL breaks the rules. It's just now I have some legal recourse, which you will not have until you file.

For the co-dependency thing, I've had a thought I would like to share. Perhaps not all would agree with me, but I think I could have been a 400-pound, drug addicted, abusive, gambling psycho, but that DOES NOT give him the right to cheat on me. It certainly gives him the right to LEAVE ME, but it DOES NOT EVER give him the right to lie to me, betray my trust, use and abuse me, and cheat on me. I sometimes get the feeling that you think if you could have been different, if you could have handled things differently, if you could just say or do the right thing, WW would wake the hell up and come running back to you, but you have to remember the affair has NOTHING to do with you. These are her issues and her brokenness, and you can't fix her. She has to want it, and at this point, it does not sound like she does. I get the feeling you want her to validate you in some way, to have her see how awesome you are and what she is missing, but you DO NOT need this from her. Perhaps you have issues that you would like to work on. I agree that books and IC would help you deal with your CO-D issues and not let them affect your future relationships (Co-Dependent No More was a great book for me), but please stop trying to get your validation from her. She is only making you feel worse about yourself. To me, this is what detachment is all about, realizing her words and actions should not dictate how you feel about yourself. Please only discuss kids and finances with her (which is even a challenge in my case as FuckTard likes to push any button he can, and the only button he has left is the kids since I refuse any other contact). This woman DOES NOT deserve your emotions on the situation any more. I would say to stop asking her questions about her feelings, about the other man, about anything other than kids and finances. If she ever wants you back (which I highly doubt she will ever be sincere in this), she will be volunteering this information without prompting. Please go completely NO CONTACT with this woman immediately. This is not to hurt her. It is to help you heal.

And I want you to really picture what you will be dealing with if she does come around saying she wants you back. Take a peek in reconciliation and see what it really takes to build a strong healthy marriage after infidelity. Unless you are prepared to rugsweep and take all the blame for her affair, you will have questions she will need to answer a thousand times, she needs to have no contact with this OM and any other men you deem not friends of the marriage, you will have to watch her like a hawk, you will need updates of where she is at all times, she will need to give up all passwords (and you will have to believe there are not secret Facebook accounts, emails, drop phones, etc.) All of these things are required to reconcile a marriage, and she's not even ready to break off communication with this guy..

You do not even have a remorseful spouse, but even if you did, think of what you would have to go through! Perhaps in the future you will get an ego boost by hearing her say that she finally realizes how awesome you are and what an idiot she has been, but hopefully by that time you will have realized that by yourself and have come to the point where you don't need her validation anymore and that you deserve better than her!!

As far as the children go, just to share my experience, my STBX and I agreed to try to tell the children together, which never happened. This was before I realized he had been bringing the children around the OW and her child for over a year and having them lie to me about it (telling them, "Don't tell mom, I'll tell mom, she will be mad if you talk about it"). He now always has the OW and her kid there on his time, calling her a "friend" to them. (Too bad he's cheating on her with another woman, but that's a different thread).

While I think a family talk is a good idea in some situations, in my situation, there is no co-parenting with STBX. It's called parallel parenting, meaning he does his thing, and I do mine. I do not think you need to focus on being a co-parent with this woman. While I agree it is ideal, it is not always possible, and I suggest you look up parallel parenting in case you need it.

I have explained to the children in age-appropriate terms what has happened, and I constantly reinforce to them that mom is always here for them, will always love them, and that I will always tell them the truth about anything they want to know. Your wife's relationship with the children is NOT your problem. You obviously can't badmouth her, but your focus should be on showing them as much love as you can and constantly being their soft place to land when they need comfort. The kids is the most difficult part of this whole ordeal for me. I'm in IC, and my children have been in IC for a few months now. I'm seriously trying to parent with an idiot who thinks the children are fine about everything. When he's pissed at me, he is the classic example of using the kids as pawns, sending messages through the children, trying to change visitation through them, telling them I'm evil and a liar and I can't be trusted, the list goes on and on. I am currently working with my a lawyer on what can be done about these issues, but it is more frustration than I can tolerate sometimes. I hope to God this will not be the case in your situation, but please be prepared for her craziness to start showing up in all forms when you stand up for yourself, including when it comes to the kids. When you have detached enough and she can no longer push your buttons, be prepared for her to hurt you any way she can think of, which might start including the kids.

Unfortunately, I think the kids will have feelings that this is their fault and that they did something wrong, and they need to be constantly reminded that this is not the case. After all the fights my older son has unfortunately witnessed, he still asked me last night if there is a small chance my WH and I will get back together and not go through with the divorce. I had to remind him again that daddy hurt mommy, and mommy doesn't have to put up with it. I also told my son that if he hurts people, they do not have to put up with him; and if people hurt him, he doesn't have to put up with them. I deserve better, and my children do too, and I can only hope that my actions are setting a good example for him.

I will apologize if I have rambled too much and brought too many of my own issues into this discussion, but I wanted to share my experiences and let you know you are not alone, you are amazing, and you will be just fine. Dealing with an unremorseful spouse is hell on Earth, but you will make it through. Lots and lots of hugs to you.


xBW~ 35
Two of the most darling sons ~ 10 and 7

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PanicAttack53
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Default  Posted: 1:03 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

AD,

Just popped in to read up on your sitch. You are doing great bro... keep it up and don't allow her to suck you into her abusive mind games. Critical contact only now... otherwise continue to detach... detach... detach.

Oh and BTW, scrap the past that some want to still bring up. We all know the whole story AD and it doesn't alter one bit what is happening now. Concentrate on *now* and forget about the rest.

-- Strength and Peace brother.


Me-BH Her-XWW | B/ 60 | D final on 10/1/13 I'm Lovin' life again!
Rest of the story really doesn't matter any more.
“Realize deeply that the present moment is all you have.” ― Eckhart Tolle

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alphakitte
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Default  Posted: 6:15 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Panic, I disagree that AD's directive to his wife to have sex with other men, for his personal enjoyment, doesn't have anything to do with what's going on now. What is happening now may be the consequences of that.


------ Some people are emotional tadpoles. Even if they mature they are just a warty toad. Catt

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LonelyHusband
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Default  Posted: 6:17 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lying to the children is, in this specific example, a terrible mistake in my opinion.

you should also realise that your wife is not going to nod quietly and knowingly whilst you tell the child the truth, not unless you gloss over absolutely everything and build a comfortable lie for them. It's going to turn into a shit storm. In front of your child.

I get you are only taking tentative steps towards divorce and your codependency is filling you with fear, but you need to step up and be a dad. Lying to your children is beneath you. The child clearly is not stupid, don't treat him as such unless you want to lose his respect too. The child has done nothing to deserve being lied to by both parents.

[This message edited by LonelyHusband at 6:19 AM, May 3rd (Friday)]


BS ( me) 41
fWS (OktoberMest) 35
D day #1 29/10/2011, D day #2 15/112011, D day #3 15/03/2012
Reconciling.
“It’s better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all”, is inadequate consolation when you vacuum up a child's hamster'

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Default  Posted: 6:33 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Don't lie to your kids. Saying things will be OK means to him you are going to stay together. First thing, get him into counseling if you can. Kids that perceptive need to be able to work through the feelings. Give him tools for the future.

What you can say is that "I love you. We will always be your parents." If you aren't ready to tell him she is moving out, just say, "I love you. Mommy and I have some things to talk about. As soon as WE have made our decisions, then I (or we) will talk to you about it. I'm not ready to give you details about anything until WE have discussed things. These are adult issues, not kid issues. I love you."

The day we told the kids, I made EX practice before hand. Sure enough, he broke down into this sobbing mess and *I* had to tell the kids. He then ran from the house and left me there picking up the pieces.

It will get rough as you navigate a separation and "learn" to co-parent. Especially with someone who doesn't like their power taken away. You truly have to learn to detach and you don't want your kid in the middle. Sometimes that means letting go of what you expect her to do.

The only way I survived the beginning was learning the ONLY thing I could count on was for EX to do the wrong thing. The friends down in NB's can attest I have taken the highroad when I probably shouldn't. I did it for my kids, and my kids are (now) doing really well. I have my 9 year old in therapy, and have since we S, over 2.5 years ago. I'm watching my 7 year old and think I will put him in soon.

The other thing my IC and my dd's IC have told me is that kids will want their parents back together for a long time. Not until they are older teenagers can they really understand why people are not together. They are self-centric, and are supposed to be.

Just put your kids first, try to remember she is selfish and ego-centric and therefore not going to be looking out for anyone's interest but her own.

As I like to tell myself often, "I'm co-parenting with a lower Muppet."

Hang in there.


me...BS, 43 years old, 2 small kids
WS, 41, multiple gay affairs
M 15 years, together 17
Divorced

"For whatever we lose, like a you or a me, it's always ourselves we find in the sea" ee cummings


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Default  Posted: 7:11 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

...but I think I could have been a 400-pound, drug addicted, abusive, gambling psycho, but that DOES NOT give him the right to cheat on me. It certainly gives him the right to LEAVE ME, but it DOES NOT EVER give him the right to lie to me, betray my trust, use and abuse me, and cheat on me. I sometimes get the feeling that you think if you could have been different, if you could have handled things differently, if you could just say or do the right thing, WW would wake the hell up and come running back to you, but you have to remember the affair has NOTHING to do with you. These are her issues and her brokenness, and you can't fix her.

Bingo!


M -25 years, T - 31 years, 4 children
Dday October 8, 2011 - Multiple PAs and ONs
Divorced 1-8-13
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Shockleader
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Default  Posted: 7:38 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Great post ButterflyGirl, well said!


D-Day spring 2012
Me BS 47
Xcheater 44
One DD 19
Married 23 years
Divorced 12/23/13 Fu*king A!

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Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 7:39 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your responses. As I was reading them I wanted to respond to each and every detail as a conversation. But I can't.

Can all of you book a flight down to south florida for a real life group meeting? ;-)

Does anyone ever have Skype meetings? I would love that!

I have not backed down on my decision to divorce. My wife understands this and she is in panic mode. I don't care. That switch I have been waiting for has finally "clicked" off and I don't care anymore about her issues, rationalizations, blaming, none of it.

We are going for in-house separation for a while because the kids are breaking down. Our son is having anxiety attacks and our six year old is regressing into toddler behavior.

What we need to do is calm down (no fighting and definitely no more discussions about "us") to the point where we can tell them with the least amount of shock and subsequent damage to them. We are getting them both started on IC to ease them into this.

We are going to work out a script that includes something along the lines of "mommy and daddy are moving toward being just friends, we love each other, this is grown up stuff, nothing is your fault," etc.

Cemego, it's much along the lines of what you suggested.

If you're thinking that while we are in in-house separation she will manipulate me into flip-flopping on the divorce, I am glad to say you are wrong. She will probably try, but I have detached already. I am indifferent to her; I don't hate her. I am indifferent. I see a broken unhappy person. I am ready to move on.

As far as her affair, whatever. I will see her only a few hours in the evening. I told her if she texts him at our house I will not tolerate this in-my-face disrespect and in-house is promptly over and we tell the kids. If she leaves to see him, in-house is over and we tell the kids. To hell with her self-serving panic and I will do my best to tell the kids myself as she falls apart. They will have me, and I am together and strong.

If you support me on this, thank you. If you vehemently disagree and want to hurl some 2x4s, thank you. Based on what some of you have said, I expect them and know what they will be.

PS: Alpha, I must correct your characterization of events that transpired what is now two years ago, which I think now qualifies officially as "the past." (Gentle sarcasm.).

I did not issue a "directive." WE agreed to it, and she was as enthusiastic as I was. Excuse the TMI, but I have the soaked sheets to prove it. So it was not for MY own "personal enjoyment."

It got messed up for sure, but her sole responsibility began when she broke the core rule and did not tell me.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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lieshurt
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Default  Posted: 7:55 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

We are going for in-house separation for a while because the kids are breaking down. Our son is having anxiety attacks and our six year old is regressing into toddler behavior.

Okay, you went from being completely unaware that your kids were aware of anything going on with your WS yesterday to now one is having anxiety attacks and the other is regressing into toddler behavior? At what point in the past 24 hours did this significant change in your kids occur?


I'm sorry if you don't like my Honesty, but to be fair I don't like your lies.

Sometimes it's better to push someone away...not because you stopped loving them but because you can't take the pain anymore.


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Default  Posted: 7:58 AM, May 3rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It got messed up for sure, but her sole responsibility began when she broke the core rule and did not tell me.

Are you in IC?

I ask this because now, after everything that has happened and you have lost control of the situation that you created, you now want to take the high road. You keep saying "she agreed" which implies that you brought it up and basically pimped your wife out. This isn't the typical open relationship situation at all. First you re-enacted her childhood rape to fit your fantasies, then you told her to have sex with other men again, to fit your fantasies. You're only upset now because she didn't respond like you thought she would: an objectified sexual puppet. I don't doubt that there were soaked sheets; if I had been violated and exploited sexually and emotionally like this woman has, I probably would be able to completely separate the physical act from any thoughts of emotion or sentiment.

The past is the past, but there are things you can do now: Take responsibility for your part in this clusterfuck. Quit lying to your children. Get some help.

[This message edited by veritas at 8:02 AM, May 3rd (Friday)]


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