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confused615
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Default  Posted: 6:40 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ok..speaking up for the big breasted women...I've been pregnant 5 times..4 healthy kids.

That is all.


BS(me)41
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,9
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7155 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
Tiredofthepain
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Default  Posted: 6:40 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yes..that's right...not only do I want my WH to be faithful...but I don't want him looking at women and thinking about having sex with them...even if he doesn't make any move towards them.

Yeah, I'm a dreamer too, especially being married to a SA, even if he is in recovery it's a long road for him to completely stop the fantasizing and seeing women as sex objects in his mind.

We all see people we think are attractive. I rarely see real life men, but on TV there are many I would love to see naked and think about how they would be in bed. So maybe I am no better than the men.


ME-BS 48
HIM-WS 38
WS is SA, multiple visits to prostitutes.
Status: Hanging in there

I would rather be told a hurtful truth than a comforting lie.

Posts: 559 | Registered: Dec 2012 | From: NC
brokensmile322
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Default  Posted: 6:51 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I do think a lot of men think like this. I think it is to different degrees with all of them. I guess it is natural because I have quizzed a lot of men on this topic and have gotten a lot of the same answers when they were wanting to be honest. Yes, they do.

I also think it is appalling to women generally speaking (not all) because women generally do not think like that... I can honestly say that I did not start thinking like this until after dday.

I do also think it is somewhat socialized. Why else do you think there are female strip clubs in america with back rooms, lap dances, and total nudity? Sure, I guess there are some male ones, but the strippers are often on stage, are often wearing socks and there is no back room. It is a double standard.

I am not saying that I am interested in having those kind of establishments. I do find it curious though that women can't pay to get rubbed on by a naked man in a back room in virtually every city.

And I am certainly not up on my prostitution laws, but I think women cannot pay for sex with a man in Vegas either. They can with another woman, but not with a man. Why the double standard? I think this stuff has to do with socialization to some degree.


Me BS 42 Him WS 44
OW Coworker DDay April 7, 2012
EA on a slippery slope...

When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves. ~Viktor Frankl

"When you are happy, you can forgive a great deal."


Posts: 1415 | Registered: Jun 2012
ReunitePangea
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Default  Posted: 7:08 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yeah, I knew that comment might upset some people. As I said,maybe Im super sensitive because of my situation.

Actually your comment didn't upset me at all.....I do actually understand why you feel that way after what we have to go through. I am just a BS with a much different mind set is all. To me cheating has very little to do with sex but then I come from an open marriage background.

The opinions of others on what is cheating and what isn't cheating is not actually important to each of us. The only 2 opinions that matter are those of yourself and your spouse. If you and your spouse feel that just looking at another woman in your mind is cheating then those are your rules and that is ok. For me and my WW, the rules of cheating are just different is all.


BS - Me 38
WS - Wife 39
D-Day - Oct 12
Married 10 years
OM1 - 12-year LTA
OM2 - 9 month A turned into open relationship with couple for another 1 1/2 years

Posts: 453 | Registered: Nov 2012
StillGoing
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Default  Posted: 7:20 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I don't spend enough mental effort on it to qualify it as a fantasy. As a married man if I comment on the attractiveness of a woman it is 9 times out of 10 in response to my wife asking me, mainly because I just don't get out much but also because it's not a thought process I'm uncomfortable sharing with her. It's not generally in my store of average conversation topics to begin with anyway.

If even so much as looking at another woman bothered my wife to the point she asked me not to, I'd make every effort to do so. I can't speak for guys when it comes to thinking since I can't tie a coherent thought process together unless it involves six others and a box of mice, but I don't think appreciating the attractiveness of someone, commenting on it casually and then forgetting about it is a slippery slope any more than anything else is.

I'm not trying to tell you how to feel about it, here. If you find it disrespectful and uncomfortable then for you it is and that's that.


“Fate is a fickle bitch who dotes on irony.”

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idiot85
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Default  Posted: 7:52 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My wifeis not big breasted nor does she have big hips- every time she's come off her pill- BOOM baby time maybe it's just because I'm Superman though.

...and judging by the comments on here, I'm a freak of nature for looking at women as fellow humans!!!

Edited to add:

Stillgoing: "appreciating the attractiveness of someone"

I thought it meant in a sexy way- I do appreciate attractiveness- that's human!!

[This message edited by idiot85 at 7:55 AM, May 15th (Wednesday)]


BH-29 (me)
WW-28

Multi famam, conscientiam, pauci verentur.


Posts: 575 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Old Blighty
mike7
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Default  Posted: 7:56 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

i agree with Baxter. Not all guys think like that. I don't. Never have.

And I definitely disagree that it's been proven that women with big breasts are more fertile. Simply not true.

Men like breasts, any size, because it's something uniquely feminine. We don't have em. Some prefer big breasts, some prefer small.


BH 53
WW 52
Two kids 21, 18

DDay 1/15/2013


Posts: 520 | Registered: Mar 2013
5454real
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Default  Posted: 8:05 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Gotta chime in and say that while I will on occasion appreciate the attractiveness of a woman(physical), that's not what 'attracts' me TO a woman. In the long run, the truism "beauty is only skin deep" is exactly that. Breast size, butt size yada, yada, yada. Junior high was many years ago, some graduate, some don't.

On another note, in defense of those Jr. high men, explain "Magic Mike" or "50 Shades".

Just sayin!


BH 51, WW 42
DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 20(Hers),DS 9 Ours, DGS 3, DGD 1 mo
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 10yrs
“I have no love for a friend who loves in words alone.”
― Sophocles, Antigone

Posts: 2581 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: midwest
Aubrie
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Default  Posted: 9:16 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

that men, when they see an attractive woman think "I wonder what she looks like naked" or " I wonder what shed be like in bed?" And that most guys talk about women like that. That its look but don't touch but its ok to talk about women and what they'd like to do to them.
My husband doesn't.

It's one thing to think someone is attractive in passing. It's another to drool and think, "Yeah, I'd tap that."

Like a new chainsaw. A guy looks over at the display and think, "Hmm, nifty little chainsaw. Oh look, bolts." And he wanders off to the bin of bolts.

Then you have the guy that sees the chainsaw display and it's like a magnet. Bam. He wants to touch it, handle it, smell it, fiddle with the buttons, test the weight. And his wife is tugging on his arm, "George, the flooring is this way."


Me - FWW * Him - QuietStand

"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." - J. Wayne

"What if I fall?" Oh but my darling, what if you fly?


Posts: 6071 | Registered: Nov 2011 | From: South, Y'all!
JanaGreen
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Default  Posted: 9:18 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My wifeis not big breasted nor does she have big hips- every time she's come off her pill- BOOM baby time maybe it's just because I'm Superman though.

LOL - of the three cycles I've been off the pill (and not using back-up methods while breastfeeding) during the course of our marriage, I've been pregnant twice (one miscarriage). So me and my 34Bs have a 66% hit rate of getting pregnant; I'd say fertility is not a problem for me despite my modest chest.

Beyond being possible mental cheating, staring at a woman (or man), undressing her/him with your eyes, imagining what the sex would be like - that's kind of creepy. I mean, yeah, it's normal to notice attractive people and it's normal (I think) to fantasize sometimes but if you're eye-fucking some girl at the grocery store and leering at her tits, I would hazard a guess that she's probably somewhere between offended and freaked out, because chicks tend to notice when they're being leered at.


We're both in our 30s. One awesome 4-year-old daughter.

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confused615
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Default  Posted: 9:23 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sorry,can't explain Magic Mike,or 50 Shades.

Male strippers look silly,IMO.

50 Shades did nothing for me...meh.


BS(me)41
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,9
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7155 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
idiot85
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Default  Posted: 9:27 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh my goodness!! I don't want to thread jack BUT I got the most amazing drill a few weeks ago!!! It's an 18v 2 speed variable with 25 torque settings, auto spindle lock, fan cooled motor and electric brake and it's cordless SQUEEEAAAK!!!!

Now you don't want to know what I've been fantasising about that baby... Let me tell you-the wife has competition. *shudder*


BH-29 (me)
WW-28

Multi famam, conscientiam, pauci verentur.


Posts: 575 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Old Blighty
idiot85
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Default  Posted: 9:34 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

On another note, in defense of those Jr. high men, explain "Magic Mike" or "50 Shades".

Double standards- just like if the wife bought a rampant rabbit it's a bit of naughty fun but if I bought a 240V Fuckmaster 3000 blow up latex doll with 6 speed revolving foof with non drip collection tray with a built in realistic "that's the wrong effing hole" I'd be a dirty pervert- double standards I say


BH-29 (me)
WW-28

Multi famam, conscientiam, pauci verentur.


Posts: 575 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Old Blighty
JanaGreen
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Default  Posted: 9:44 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

if I bought a 240V Fuckmaster 3000 blow up latex doll with 6 speed revolving foof with non drip collection tray with a built in realistic "that's the wrong effing hole" I'd be a dirty perver

LMAO!

Fifty Shades sucked. How can something that has the phrase "holy cow" ten times on one page be erotic? I'm reading this sex scene and imagining a holy herd of holy cows standing around watching these weirdos getting it on. Not sexy. I read part of the first book but was unable to finish it as it was terrible.

Haven't seen Magic Mike but all my friends seemed to love it.


We're both in our 30s. One awesome 4-year-old daughter.

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wincing_at_light
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Default  Posted: 9:47 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The moment you make a man's thought crimes an issue is the moment you cease to have authentic communication with him.

If being honest means I'm going to get labeled as a pig or disgusting by some arbitrary gender-based standard of "how things should work", then it's foolish to be honest.

Public sharing/comments are a different issue, but get more at social crassness and boundaries to me than anything else. I don't talk to other men about women I'd like to fuck. That seems just a bit creepy at my age.

Not to mention, talking about fucking a woman is what you do when you don't have the courage to speak up. If you find her that attractive...go talk to her instead of talking *about* her. There's something just a little pathetic about talking about what you *would* do, and never having the balls to just do it.

[This message edited by wincing_at_light at 9:48 AM, May 15th (Wednesday)]


Machiavellian idiot savant

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rachelc
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Default  Posted: 9:55 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So WAL - if I say anything I'll encourage dishonesty? I mean, he's saying himself that men are pigs, and I agreed that it was sick and wondered if all men think like this.

How about people communicate authentically and honestly, and just let the outcome settle itself?

And these are married guys talking about women.... in regards to your last comment.

[This message edited by rachelc at 9:57 AM, May 15th (Wednesday)]


his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me: 48
him: 51
4 kiddos in lower 20's

“Slide the weight from your shoulders and move forward. You are afraid you might forget, but you never will. You will forgive and remember."


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SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 9:59 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Haven't seen Magic Mike but all my friends seemed to love it.
I saw it and found it terribly depressing. The men were pretty and it was fun watching them dance, but, overall the storyline and the whole movie was just fucking depressing.


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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DixieD
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Default  Posted: 10:07 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

An educational side note about estradiol, higher estradiol can be linked to endometriosis which can actually decrease fertility...but that's not visible to the naked eye.

As someone who had huge breasts in proportion (or out of proportion as the case may be) to the rest of my body at a very young age, I can say the attention THEY received definitely wasn't flattering. I'd put it more on the trauma scale. I heard all the names and was groped on a regular basis, and not just by immature boys my own age but by middle aged married guys too.

It's one thing to think it, another to say it quietly to your buddies but there appeared to be a pack mentality sometimes where one buffoon felt the need to show off and take it a bit further than the others and then go back and try to get kudos from the rest of the group. None of that helped my thoughts on men in general.

I married a guy who didn't act like that. I thought he was one of the 'good ones' and I was lucky. I'd point out a good looking guy or girl, but he'd never comment. Oddly enough he cheated anyway and just kept a lot of stuff hidden. I think keeping stuff hidden can be much worse.

There has to be a healthy middle ground. Actually it's some of the male BS on this forum who have helped my view on men in general.

[This message edited by DixieDevastated at 10:08 AM, May 15th (Wednesday)]


Growing forward

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AFrayedKnot
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Default  Posted: 10:07 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

As for imagining fucking someone else equating to cheating, I strongly disagree. Unless you want to also argue things like imagining running off to a desert island without any kids to wake you up as equal to child abandonment, there is a distinction between fantasy and reality.

Nice


BS 39
fWS 36 (SurprisinglyOkay)
DD DS
A whole bunch of shit that got a lot worse before it got better.
"Knowing is half the battle"

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ReunitePangea
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Default  Posted: 10:08 AM, May 15th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The moment you make a man's thought crimes an issue is the moment you cease to have authentic communication with him.

Well said WAL!

Rachelc - I think your original question was do most men think like this. I don't know if most do but enough do that it isn't that uncommon. When I first read your post my initial take was "wow, seams like you have a WH that is really being upfront and honest about his thoughts". I would take that as a positive.

As for if these are bad thoughts that should be "controlled" all I know is if my WW started wanting to control what floats around in my mind I don't think I would be married for that much longer. If this whole affair process has taught me anything it is that I need to maintain myself as an individual as well as someone who is married. As BS we need to have rules to help us feel safe moving with R if that is our goal but we have to be realistic on these rules as well.


BS - Me 38
WS - Wife 39
D-Day - Oct 12
Married 10 years
OM1 - 12-year LTA
OM2 - 9 month A turned into open relationship with couple for another 1 1/2 years

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