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User Topic: Do you believe in ghosts?
Unagie
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Default  Posted: 7:56 PM, May 18th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'll share another although its not my story but my aunt's. It made my hair stand up on end when I heard it and still creeps me out. Bear with me its long.

My aunt got her own apartment with her cousin Ellie when she was in her early 20's. The night they moved in their friend Lucy (I grew up with her as another aunt) came to help and sleep over. They were laughing and joking while cooking and got hot so tried to open the window but it was sealed with paint and even with all 3 of them pushing they couldn't move it. They said all of a sudden there was a knock on the door. They looked through the peephole and no one was there. They turned to walk away and heard footsteps, looked through the peephole again and still nothing. They went back to cook. As they were eating they heard footsteps and banging from the apartment above them. It was a remodeled building with all new tenants. They took a broom and knocked on the ceiling to make them quiet down. The noise stopped and they heard footsteps come down the stairs and again a knock on the door. Ellie got mad and grabbed the door open. Nobody was there. She freaked out and bolted the door closed. They were all a little freaked out and called the landlord saying the neighbors were being assholes. The landlord said impossible they were the first tenants and no one else was moving in for a couple days. They were completely freaked out by then and decided they'd go to bed. They got up and heard a grinding noise in the kitchen. They went to check and the window they couldn't open was now open one inch.

They decided to stay and go to sleep thinking all of it was weird and creepy but they were not hurt. Despite this they were scared and all slept in the same bed. A couple hours late they heard Lucy moaning. They shook her and both my aunt and Ellie said when she turned Lucy looked like an old woman and tried to lunge at them. They pushed her and she hit the floor. When she got up she looked like Lucy again and told them they had to get out now. They ran to the door and unlocked it but the door wouldn't budge. They heard the grinding noise again in the kitchen and freaked out yelling and screaming. My aunt called her boyfriend who lived down the block and he came and easily opened the door. They were all still screaming but James said he hadn't heard anything until the door opened. They moved out the next morning.

No one ever lived there more then a few days and eventually the building was slated for demolition and was still an empty lot by the time I was an adult. They were told that when the remodeling had been going on they found a room with symbols, chicken feathers, blood and other things. All of it spoke of bad things. My aunt doesn't like remembering it and it still creeps me out to think of.


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mike7
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Default  Posted: 8:17 PM, May 18th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

i come from a family of off-beat weirdos. as such, i've had two or three creepy experiences. I've only got time to write one. Maybe I'll write the other's later.


Several years ago I was a graduate student. I was studying online at the time, meaning I was not in the same state as the university. It was just after or just before Christmas that I was viewing the tapes.

Anyway, I had a dream in which a young woman appeared in my bedroom. Just like in the movies, the room was cold. My hair was standing on end. She kind of hovered a couple of feet above the floor. She told me, "tell my father it's ok. everything is fine." She repeated this a couple of times until i hid my head under the covers. (i know, pretty manly)

A few weeks later I visited my advisor at the university. At that time I found out that one of my other professor's had a child that had died in a horrible car accident during Christmas break. (This was when I had the dream.) I looked at the picture in the paper. It was the girl in my dreams.

I never told her father because I thought it would hurt him. After all, he was a scientist. How could he reconcile this nonsense?

Not sure if I did the right thing.


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Default  Posted: 10:02 PM, May 18th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

no, but I believe in hypnopompic hallucinations

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Default  Posted: 10:26 PM, May 18th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I believe in spirits (good and bad). We lived in the family farm house until I was seven. When I was about five, my brothers and I along with my mom were in the house one day. My mom heard my parents water bed slooshing around and hollered at us kids to stop jumping on the bed. Problem was, she walked into their room and saw no children....but saw the waterbed moving.

There were numerous other things that happened, but the final straw was when my mom saw a full shadowed figure of a person walking toward her in broad daylight. She told my G-Ma that the old things in the attic (old hair from first haircuts, etc) had to go as spirits can 'attach' themselves to items/objects. Once they moved that all out of the house, all the stuff stopped happening.

In another house we rented, we'd hear a rocking chair in the attic creaking....when no one was up there. The next tenants called my parents and asked if we had heard it too.


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Default  Posted: 10:49 PM, May 18th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If not, why not?

I suppose in the simplest of terms, because there is always a rational explanation and when there isn't a rational explanation it's because everyone stopped looking for one and settled on "because magic" - which is profoundly unsatisfying when actually applied to real world events.


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Default  Posted: 7:45 PM, May 19th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

because there is always a rational explanation and when there isn't a rational explanation it's because everyone stopped looking for one and settled on "because magic"

That scared every one away SG - good job mate There goes my hope of making a four page thread without "blow job" in the title.


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Default  Posted: 8:01 PM, May 19th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Well, I'm nor skeered away by SG.

My grandmother died when I was 9. About a month after she died, she came in my bedroom, smiled and placed her hand to my face. I couldn't feel it physically but I knew she was there.

When I was 12, I went to a Methodist Camp Meeting that lasted 2 weeks. There was a tabernacle for the church services and I went there alone one afternoon. A man in a long white robe/gown kind of thing walked up and called me by name. He said that I was going to be a gospel singer and touch people with my music. I left there feeling excited and thinking I was going to make records and get famous. I thought my life (which was full of craziness and abuse and chaos) was going to get better. When none of that happened, I decided I had hallucinated the whole thing.

But it's funny... I am now the worship leader in my church. And for the past 4 years, I have sung with a group that travels, sharing testimonies and music. Every Sunday evening from June to September, I would sing tell my story and watch people respond. So maybe it's a coincidence. Or maybe I fulfilled it because it was spoken to me. Or maybe that man was sent to give me hope that someday my pain would be used for good.

Who knows? But I know what I believe.


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Unagie
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Default  Posted: 8:04 PM, May 19th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Well no, I've never settled on just magic for anything that's happened to me. I just honestly believe in spirits but don't use them as an explanation for every strange thing.


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Default  Posted: 9:51 PM, May 19th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Im back trying to help get to page 4. :))

Seriously not all weird things in my life are thought to be ghosts sometimes life is just weird

But there are undeniable situations. I know I saw Jenny and the dog (same apt but not related).

When I was 16 a woman called my name. I was in a bad way at the time and just calling my name helped.

I even saw man jog walk across post road in ct. I saw him clearly but not as clear as I see my sofa. He knew I was driving a car. He was dressed in a suit of the early decades of the 1900 (possibly 1930ish) sans the jacket . The cemetary was the direction he was heading. Another cwmetary was on the opposite side of the road around the corner. This was very late at night.


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StillGoing
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Default  Posted: 7:43 AM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

To defend my own position, first let me say I do believe that people experience these things. In fact I think these experiences are normal.

My comment "because magic" is just a summary way of saying that I do not feel placing something into a category of inexplicable is satisfying or personally acceptable. If a thing is not immediately explicable, that does not make it inexplicable. If a thing is beyond current means of explanation that does not make it supernatural by default, either, IMO. The celestial bodies overhead are not gods, but they're no less amazing for that. The greek deities could be viewed as majestic and terrible, or like a bunch of too powerful children that didn't like it when people exhibited virtues and tantrumed all over that; majesty and the mundane are a matter of perspective. A star is a 'miasma of superheated plasma' - and it could be "just" that, or it could be viewed as the thing from which we're all made. Yes, we come from star stuff. Is cool.

Also, Clarke's third law is great: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Harry Potter might shoot fireballs from his wand, but it's given an awe it really doesn't merit compared to Naval railguns that can fire tungsten armor piercing bullets at a kinetic energy of 9 megajoules - that's 2.5E-6 Gigawatt hours, which is twice the power required to spin up a flux capacitor to go back in time. Only part of that statement is fictional and not really how it works but it was fun to play with that.

I also think "because magic" because if something has an influence on the natural world, it is by logical extension a part of that natural world and therefore as magical as stars and rainbows. Which means if ever ghosts are trapped in bottles and studied, I think they'll be far less interesting to many people.

I think it's fine for people to categorize things this way until it interferes with real life. People who listen to a psychic without ever getting a home inspection run the risk of poisoning their entire family. Folks who try homeopathic remedies because medical science can be scary and not have all the answers run the risk of making things worse. Stuff like that.

I don't think it will ever change but that is why I do not believe in ghosts and think magic is a lovely way to look at the world without understanding how the illusion works. My son still doesn't know how I the card he picked at random from the deck of cards he shuffled himself and placed back into the deck he himself reshuffled - and I never once touched - wound up in my pocket, and the mechanisms behind that very simple trick are even deeper and more complex than any arcane formula could provide.

That is where I am at and why I am there with the "because magic" statement.


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simplydevastated
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Default  Posted: 1:56 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tred, don't worry, we'll get you to a 4 page thread in no time.

SG wouldn't scare me away

HFSSC, that is a great story.

Sully, what part of CT is that?

I also don't believe in saying that everything "unexplained" is supernatural. I've seen enough to believe. My mom and sister have seen enough to make me believe. I do try to rule-out any/every possibility before claiming supernatural.

Two more examples.

First - During the day I'm always home by myself. One day about two years ago I cleaned the entire condo. I put the kids placemats at their places at the table. I then went about my day. A few hours later I walked passed the table on my way to the basement and I stopped dead in my tracks and literally said "What the hell!" My son's chair was pulled out enough for a child to sit down (again he was at school and all the chairs were pushed in) and the placemats were placed on top of each other and moved closer to my end of the table. There is no way that those objects could be moved by a breeze and I know exactly how I left them.

Second - I have an antique apple on a shelf next to my grandmothers picture. It always sits on the left and a few times it's been moved to the right. Again, I'm always home alone during the day.

Not sure if anyone wants to take a stab in the dark and guess as to how these things could be moved when I didn't do it.


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Default  Posted: 1:57 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yep, I do.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one "living" in my 100 year old house.

Before I moved in, I caught a glimpse of someone standing behind me when there was no one else on the same level of the house.

My DD's, sitting in the living room, heard footsteps upstairs when there was no one else in the house.

I've heard, what sounds like, children running up the stairs late at night.

I've found the front door unlocked in the morning when I know I locked it the night before.

Doing dishes one night, the dining room light turned off. I thought the light blew and found it turned off at the switch.


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simplydevastated
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Default  Posted: 2:00 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Before I moved in, I caught a glimpse of someone standing behind me when there was no one else on the same level of the house.

That would freak me out.


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Default  Posted: 2:28 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Since you asked..

Quoting both but answering the second first.

First - During the day I'm always home by myself. One day about two years ago I cleaned the entire condo. I put the kids placemats at their places at the table. I then went about my day. A few hours later I walked passed the table on my way to the basement and I stopped dead in my tracks and literally said "What the hell!" My son's chair was pulled out enough for a child to sit down (again he was at school and all the chairs were pushed in) and the placemats were placed on top of each other and moved closer to my end of the table. There is no way that those objects could be moved by a breeze and I know exactly how I left them.


Second - I have an antique apple on a shelf next to my grandmothers picture. It always sits on the left and a few times it's been moved to the right. Again, I'm always home alone during the day.

This one is pretty normal. Since it's an object you are very familiar with, and it tends to occupy a specific place, it's likely your brain sees the apple, sees the mantle and constructs the image as the apple being where you expect it to be until you turn enough of your attention on it to notice it is out of place.

When we see things, we are not taking actual snapshots - we get limited sensory input and our brains construct the rest. It's a useful survival skill since actually seeing a threat vs. inferring it from familiar patterns takes a lot more brain processing, but it also means there's a lot of room for perceptual error.

This is also why someone can swear up, down, left and right that "Officer the light was green!" then be utterly dumbfounded at a camera showing them running a red - if it's a light they frequently go through that has a long green cycle, the brain just fills it in.. you may even see it as red but not acknowledge it as such and fire off processes that say its green.

This isn't something that happens so often that people are crashing into each other because of it every day, especially since there is enough variable stimuli that your brain is constantly reprocessing the surrounding environment, but it happens often enough that you can be reliably duped by professional magicians because of it. It's kind of awesome actually.

To go back to the first example, it's entirely likely you laid out the placemats yourself and just didn't have your attention focused on it as you moved through the day. This happens so much when people drive I think it has its own urban dictionary entry under an auto pilot reference.

These things actually happen a lot more often than people take note of. It's only when something is unusual enough to notice is when we stop and look at it.

Not saying this is exactly what happened - there could be any number of outlandish or more mundane reasons - but it is a rational explanation that is very common as a perceptual error.

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Just for fun - what is wrong with this picture?

[This message edited by StillGoing at 2:30 PM, May 20th (Monday)]


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Default  Posted: 2:34 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just for fun - what is wrong with this picture?
You mean other than the fact is isn't loading?


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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Before I moved in, I caught a glimpse of someone standing behind me when there was no one else on the same level of the house.

I remember reading the Amityville Horror when I was young - not sure if I had this experience if I would of bought the house! But then again, I probably would have and used the story to scare the shit out of people who visited. I'm certain that SandAway wouldn't of let us buy it though - she gets spooked easily (she's always watching ghost shows on TV, go figure).

PhoenixRivers - I had to look up hypnopompic hallucinations, and it looks like it only occurs entering and exiting sleep. Some of these stories obviously don't fit that.

SD sounds like she is living with a poltergeist - maybe your place is built on a relocated cemetery!


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My aunt and uncle had three kids- two girls and a boy and they bought this land with a barn out in FL. They moved a trailer on it and they live in this mobile home. Well the little boy was about 3 and he loved to go to the barn with his mom and I think they bred puppies and stuff so they would be out there a lot. Well my little cousin told my aunt he wanted to be a fireman like John. She kept asknig WHO is John and he said that the fireman named John played with him in the barn and they were best friends.

Well several months later, my couins were all riding with their grandmother and she ran a stop sign. My little 3 year old boy cousin was killed there on site.

After he died and my aunt and uncle picked themselves up and got on with life they found out, after someone told them, that the land and barn (and one time a long time ago a house) was owned by a very old man named John - who was a retired fireman and had died ... and my family had actually picked up his land a few people down the line, but after he died. They had NO idea since they didn't buy it from his estate that John was real.

Now the family thinks he was there to ease my cousins passing.

Well about a month ago that lady who ran the stop sign? Well her husband died. He had real bad cancer. They were all gathered in the room and he sat up and said Look ____ is here! and it was my little cousin's name. My aunt just cried and cried and she confessed she had seen her little boy the Friday before. She said he had gone into the kitchen and was walking back into the sick room and she saw him dart around the corner like he was playing hide and seek. She just ... didn't want everyone to think she was cracking up under the weight of caring for her father in law.

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Default  Posted: 2:59 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sorry nik. Pixel pixies pinched the painting.


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Default  Posted: 3:20 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

SG,

Is that a picture of a ghost ?

I think that was a pretty good explanation of people being on autopilot. We get tons of ghosts that move my wife's keys and drinks all the time!


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Default  Posted: 3:39 PM, May 20th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My office is in a hisotric home. It has long been said the house is haunted by the founder of our town, and who lived and died in this house. I have certainly had weird feelings when working there alone, and have heard odd things. BUT. do I believe? Not really. I think it is just random sounds and my mind "goes there" to explain. Usually when that happens I decide it is time to go home, so I'm ok with the connection!


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