[This message edited by Shockedman at 12:57 PM, June 4th (Tuesday)]
If you are going to have her served just have her served. It's your life you are talking about here. Don't play it for maximum drama. Play it for minimum pain. Have her served as soon as the papers are ready.
Tomorrow is an important day. It's Wednesday. That means it's half way to the weekend.
[This message edited by LonelyHusband at 1:08 PM, June 4th (Tuesday)]
[This message edited by Shockedman at 1:11 PM, June 4th (Tuesday)]
I caught my wife about 3 weeks before our SECOND wedding anniversary. I didn't know how to handle that day until it arrived, and then it was messy tbh.
The next year's anniversary was evenb worse. Then I was filled with anger and pain, and she was filled with regret and remorse.
This year's will be better, because we will make damn sure it is better.
As for B-days etc, don't second guess yourself. If you want to dig a hole and hide in it well just make sure you have wifi access in there so you can talk to us. If you want to climb a tall building and throw rocks at people, make sure you have a video going.
Just keep swimming...
We're still married, he's the one that cheated and I'm the one that gets treated poorly/punished for his behavior.
If you wanted, you could take the high road and still wish her a happy birthday. Or just ignore it as any other day.
D-Day June 12th 2008, D-Day #2 Sept 28th
D-Day #3 Feb 15th & 16th 2010, D-Day #4 Nov 29th 2010
This is all very recent for you. It is normal to go a bit crazy for awhile - even going for a ride on the drama llama isn't unheard of. But you need to take a step back. Your wife has a boyfriend.
This message isn't meant to be hurtful, it is a reality check. She chose contact with her boyfriend over your marriage. She continues that everyday. She lets you know in the messages she sends, etc.
What made you think she was coming out of the fog? Nothing in any of the things you have posted here points to that. It points to her own selfish behavior.
She knows tomorrow is her birthday. She is likely getting flowers from her boyfriend. You should ignore her 100%. Even when she sends you that sad message that you didn't wish her Happy Birthday and that made her day hard. Trust me, she is going to make you feel guilty some way if you don't acknowledge it. Don't even dignify her manipulation with a response.
Ignore. Ignore. Ignore. Unless she is on fire and you are the only person with a bucket of water, ignore every message, every text, all calls, etc.
And for all that is holy, stop informing her of anything. Don't tell her you aren't going to talk to her. Don't tell her you are seeing an attorney or an accountant. This isn't war, but it is a volatile business arrangement. She does not have your best interest at heart, that much should be very clear.
You take care of you.
(hugs) you need 'em!
I thought she was coming out of the fog due to a brief phone convo we had and she seemed more grounded, but I think she was just trying to manipulate me now. So 180, NO contact other than what is needed for business and logistics. NONE. Even if I feel weak and want to, I will not. Instead I will reach out to this new group of friends. Starting to work on me more and more. Taking a Tai Chi class, starting tonight. A new life is ahead.
Something along the lines of "regardless of all that has happened I hope you have a good day where you are at peace with yourself"
Kill her with kindness if only on this day bc it's the last thing she's expecting. Keep her guessing.
I filled him in on our issues and we agreed this was better.
that's awesome, well done you.
Birthday greetings, under the circumstances, are NOT "warm and genuine." Genuine is honoring yourself. You are not genuinely in a happy-birthday place.
Furthermore, until and unless you get off this constant-communication rollercoaster, you will not begin to be able to move forward constructively.
Gently, you're like a junkie frenetically searching for the next fix.
Your wife has fired you. If she cared about warm and genuine birthday wishes from you, she would have taken pains to ensure you continued to feel warm thoughts for her.
Maybe next year.
ETA: How do we get through these days? I don't know; it's hard. At first, you just kind of white knuckle it.
It really does get easier. But you MUST work to detach.
ETA again: Detaching now does not mean you can never revisit the notion of R. It means stepping back, garnering some strength (which comes from realizing you can live without her, even if you would prefer not to), and moving FORWARD. It's not giving up, it's breathing, and letting go of outcome. It's learning that you will survive, no matter what. Whether you R or D, it's essential. It's the only thing that will allow you to start tapping into healthy coping skills so that you can heal.
[This message edited by solus sto at 5:27 PM, June 4th (Tuesday)]
Some might think that is crazy to even acknowledge her, but I am just not wired to that way, plus the killing her with kindness thing, probably makes it even harder on her. Knowing she was such a shitty person and I had it in me to even acknowledge her today makes me the better person. Not that it is even close......
solus sto: Your insights do make perfect sense and I am doing my best. Sharing a life and complete trust for someone for 17 years makes it hard to just flip a switch, but I am doing my damndest to do it. I am only going to communicate with her from this point forward about things that are ESSENTIAL. Thats it. Not giving into her bullshit or manipulation. I was fired and I think many would agree here after reading my story, that this was/is and exit affair. Pretty much the worst kind. Chance of reconciling are really slim.
I am just trying to digest this garbage each and every day. It gets easier each day But never the less, it is my life and the past 17 years are hard to just "Get over" for a 7 months affair. My WW is in SO deep. I like to use analogies because they seem fitting. For those of you who are looking at your own situations, think about how this applies....
On one end, your wayward spouse may have just dipped their toe in the water. You have an opportunity to help, pull them out and make things right. In my case, my WW jumped of a cliff into the middle of a swirling ocean. I can't do anything to help, right now. I am up on the cliff looking down at her, say to myself..."I wish I could help her, but she has to help herself now" She still needs to decide what direction to even go now, then get her bearings and strength, swim to shore, dry off and make the climb to the top. That could take her months, even years to do. All I can do is think about myself now and go on living my life. More than likely, by the time she gets to the top of cliff, I will be long gone.
[This message edited by Shockedman at 9:31 AM, June 5th (Wednesday)]
plus the killing her with kindness thing, probably makes it even harder on her. Knowing she was such a shitty person and I had it in me to even acknowledge her today makes me the better person.
You are assigning your feelings to your wife. She doesn't feel this way. She has been involved in a relationship - on Christmas, on Valentine's Day, on Easter, on all the other special holidays and it didn't change anything.
This woman has already REWRITTEN your marital history to suit her. Prefacing your statement did nothing to her.
I'm glad it made you feel better.
(I'm sorry if this sounds so harsh, there is just so much pain that could be avoided if you stay NC. Trust us.)
The woman you knew and loved, is no more, and may never come back, but you are, and that's hard to accept, and get used to.
Wishing you peace today, and hey it's ok to imagine horrible things, just don't act on them.
Hang in there. You are doing great. A lot better than I was at your stage.
Stay strong. Head up. Moving forward.
Sharing a life and complete trust for someone for 17 years makes it hard to just flip a switch, but I am doing my damndest to do it.
I know you're doing your best. And your best will get better.
What will help it get better is the crickets or crazed manipulation your birthday greetings elicit (depending on your WW's mood). Getting hurt over and over eventually extinguishes contact, for those of us who lack the ability to just flip that switch. Thing is, you can spare yourself that pain. I wish I had---looking back, one thing I struggle with tremendously is my OWN response, post d-day. I feel as though my own dignity was compromised and hate to see others heading down the same path.
If she wants to R, she'll let you know.
"Killing her with kindness" is manipulative. And really, that's okay---except it's apt to wind up hurting you rather than make her contemplate her grave errors and return to the marriage.
Her response to my birthday message was "thank you". She is too far gone I am afraid and I am SO sad about it. I want my wife back and my life, but I KNOW I will never get that back and even going down the raod to try to solve problems and heal will be too painful. I want to have hope. I really do. Since d-day, I have been optomistic about R, thinking that I will do whatever it takes. But the more time that passes and the more I think about it all, I just don't think its worth it. This was an exit affair and my wife is already gone. She is in love with another person. How do you come back from that? I don't think you can. She still has to come back to reality, fall out of "love" with the AP, fall back into love with me and then try to wade through every issue we have ever had in 17 years? Sounds like quicksand to me. I am on a road and coming to a fork. I have the choice to go left, full of pain despair, agony, hurt, betrayal, lies and anger, or go right to a life yet lived and unknown. I do truly love and care for my wife. Deeply. For that reason alone, i think splitting is the best choice. She is in no way emotionally equipped to handle dealing with me and our life, when she hasn't even figured out her own yet. All I would be doing is complicating it even more and opening myself up to more immensely painful conversations.
Thoughts? What about some sort of healing and/or closure? I know I may never get what I need as far as answers. but if I cut and run, like my heart is telling me, will I have further issues in future relationships because I didn't allow for anything in this situation?
Addition: She emailed me back what she wanted to say since I would not accept her call:
"I'm sorry that I asked to call. I will respect the boundary you set.
What I was going to say is that I hope you have fun on your upcoming trip. I'm sure you will. Be safe and have a great time. A friend was talking about two people at work who are very sick and with the recent passing (of a mutual friend) I was thinking how awful it would be if something were to happen to either one of us while you were gone. So with that, know that I do love you and care about you very much. That for the majority of our last 17 years, we were amazing. Thank you. I'm not being dramatic, you just never know what life might bring and I didn't want you to leave without me telling you this."
[This message edited by Shockedman at 8:23 AM, June 7th (Friday)]
but if I cut and run, like my heart is telling me, will I have further issues in future relationships because I didn't allow for anything in this situation?
I don't think so. I know this is awful but until you stand your ground she will keep playing games with you. (the texting drama !!!)
She is behaving like a silly schoolgirl.
She has to realise you are serious - you will not tolerate her behaviour.