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User Topic: Long Term Affairs - Part 32
brooke4
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Default  Posted: 4:25 AM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi Walking,

I'm not here much, but just wanted to pop in and say welcome to this little corner. I think you sound as well as it's possible to sound at this point. And I definitely agree with NJGal, that you can expect to cycle though different stages repeatedly--none of them pleasant, but some of them more cleansing than others (I actually found anger more therapeutic than shock and grief). I think it's pretty common for initial feelings of wanting to save things to change into anger. Mine did for sure, and my first reaction which was to keep the family together changed to waiting to see if he was going to do the work. I was indecisive about staying together for at least 18 months after dday.

My H also had somehow become critical and hard to please during the A. After d-day, when I looked back at things, I was able to see clearly, for the first time, just how critical and hard to please. Somehow I just seemed to have slipped into the role of bending over backwards to try to smooth the waters all the time. And I too did the putting the puzzle pieces together thing for months, which is a process that in my case made me swing wildly between hurt, fury and disbelief at my own blind stupidity.

The thing is that one way or another, it all gets better.

H&C - I'm going to be a voice of caution about dating. I can see all the reasons it would feel good to get that validation right now, but I wouldn't think you're ready for the complications that another person brings. As soon as you add someone else into the mix, you have all their issues and feelings to deal with, and it sounds like you have enough on your plate. I think you're doing the right thing in the way you're going forward, putting your life back together and focusing on the kids and yourself. It's really ok to give into grieving for a while. If two years from now you're still in the same place, that would be problematic, but somehow I really don't think you will be.

TrustGone- Hugs. I wish I could give your H a huge kick in the ass. Hang in there.


Me: BS, 40, Him: WS 41
Married: 15 years
3 children
D-Day: 10/2005

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njgal480
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Default  Posted: 5:56 AM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tryin-
Yes I did say that H&C's wife has made her wishes very clear.
She wants a divorce.

And even though H&C has done everything possible to try to keep the marriage together-he cannot reconcile on his own.

The WS has to be very remorseful and very willing to do the hard work of reconciling if there is any chance of saving the marriage.

H&C's wife has shown that she is unwilling to work on the marriage and she shows very little remorse.

So..yes..he needs to move on and focus on himself and his children.

The problem with going on online dating sites at this point is that he is not divorced and not even separated from his wife!

they are still living under one roof.

That will make any kind of dating extremely difficult and awkward.

It will also make things even more confusing and difficult for the children.

Many people who divorce only date on the weekends that their ex spouse has the children.
This way the kids are not worried that every casual date may be a potential new step parent.

So...until that living situation is in place dating would be the wrong thing for his kids.

Also...the majority of mature women on Match.com etc are looking for serious long term relationships so its kind of cruel to date them as 'just friends'?

just my thoughts ....


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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DecimatedHeart
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Default  Posted: 7:22 AM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

On my phone and late for work so this'll be quick.

Walking - anger can be a good thing. And so close to D-day, limbo may be the best that can be expected. Be okay with the holding pattern for a little bit while you process. The a-ha moments will continue for a while. I just had one this week. Listen to NJGal! :)

((MIRACLE!!))

Trust - you ARE attractive.

((H&C)) - I have to respectfully disagree with tryn's rec to sign up for a dating site. It is putting the cart WAY in front of the horse IMO. Meetup might not be a bad idea for you, though. Hanging out with new people with similar hobbies and interests in a purely platonic way could be a cathartic distraction.

Hugs and love to you all!


Me, BS 41
Him WH 42 - LTA, EA/PA
Together 24 years
DD13 - the love of my life
DDay#1 11/10/2012
DDay#4 4/5/2013 (NC broken AGAIN)
A supposedly over 6/14/2013

All my posts are edited - I hate typos. :)


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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 9:49 AM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

D is awkward. So what.. that is what it is. I say stop worrying about what your W may feel.. IT DOES NOT MATTER to you.. You are a man who no longer keeps anyone around who makes a choice not to love you... start paying attention to your own feeling and those who want to love you. Don't care H&C..

So, is it wrong to date while separated? No, to go out and have dinner with someone who you may consider a friend, is not wrong. However, to date, as in hop-in-the-sack with them, technically is. That is considered infidelity.

My thoughts are this..
- To get over something that is hurtful, when you are down you can move ahead by replacing what you need with something different. THere is a hole that will be missing you cannot replace by focusing on only your job or kids.. FILL IT I SAY...When you have a friend of the opposite sex, they can be your friend and you will get affirmations from them just by doing things with them.

And you could also have good friendships with other men. They will affirm you too.. but in far different ways. Start doing more stuff with your male friends too.

H&C… This is my thoughts... why don’t you go ahead, grab your camera and ask your W to take a few pictures of you so you can post them on Match.com (Meetup is good too and maybe a better choice but I would do both to increase your odds) so you can find a good female friend to do things with.

Should she say something alike.. “I’m not going to do that?”

Your manly response should be.. I am not going to love any woman who is not going to live up to her vows. This is what you want, not me. I am moving on not by my choice, but your choice. If what you really mean is you want to get your head back in this marriage, I will try. Otherwise, D is right around the corner and the consequences are I am going to have close female friends. Get ready for us to have a different type of relationship.. I can be your friend, and a friend will take a simple picture... that's all. OK. I will find someone else to take a few. Then go about your happy day.

Your STBXW will read between the lines and that is all you need to say. She will NEVER get off the hook for her own choice to not be loving.. when she could if she really wanted to place her mind in the right place.

This is a good thing… It will help your W get over her fears of being single.

Once you find a woman who only wants to go to movies, dinner, lunch.. talk about today things, do not make her a shoulder to cry on.. and no sex.. you will be doing something for her as well as YOU.

So what if most reject you on that site.

Jeff George, an QB for the Colts years ago would hit the bars. He would tell a woman.. I am Jeff George, the QB for the Colts, do you want to go home with me? He got slapped a few times but guess what? Some messed up woman would go home with him. It is worth the rejection to find the right woman.


A woman not messed up can be your friend during this time. Enjoy it. Don’t screw it up though.. you might come across a woman who only wants your.. Sex and romance. She might grab your hand.. flirt with you.. just say.. I am not ready until I am no longer M. It was not my choice to end my M. Let’s just be friends and enjoy our company with each other.


For a IC to tell you not to have a female friend is saying to you.. Stay in your depression.. stay in those bad feelings… do not be adventurous and try something new. What is good about that? Avoid making a friend? What is good about that?

You might as well get ready to being single.. it is different/ Making some new friends and make yourself availible. If you don’t, you will stay stuck in grief. Don’t do it… lift yourself out of the grief. Say ouch and think ahead.

I know something about us.. We who had LTA happen to us.. We feared. We feared placing pressure on our spouses when they behaved badly.. and that could have been with sex, services, quality time, ugly words said to us.. We did not communicate things in a way that brought us closer in M.. we might have done nothing by accepting…. That is something that we must learn and never do again… not wait for something very bad to happen before we finally get the courage.

H&C.. the conseqences are being paid in your situation.. you are making your STBXW no longer part of your daily world besides the business of equal share in raising the kids.

[This message edited by trynhard at 10:21 AM, September 3rd (Tuesday)]


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ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 11:01 AM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

OMG! No, don't date while you're married! You know what it will do?
1. Make you feel like sh!t because you are dating WHILE YOU ARE MARRIED.
2. Give your WW actual evidence that what she did wasn't so bad because you are doing the (approximate) same thing.
3. Add a whole lot more anger to the D process, which will suck for you AND for your children.
4. Bring an innocent person into an already crappy situation.

Know how I know? Because I freaking had a four-day INTERNET FLIRTATION with a man before I was divorced and it is the one thing that makes me feel like crap two years later!

Good gravy. WTF?! Just no.


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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hopeandchange
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Default  Posted: 12:16 PM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Njgal. Well said!
Nell. Ditto!!!
Tryin. I understand your point. I have started to work on my life but no new female friends until after D and we are not living together. I will insist on same from stbxww

I will date when I can do so with integrity

H&C


BH (me, 50)
WS (her, 48)
Divorced!
3 wonderful teens
Heading for Happiness

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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 3:39 PM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

OK H&C.. you can do what you believe is right.. but the other day you came here depressed. I made a suggestion to pull you out of your funk… like I know a strong man can do. You do not need avoid a female friend like a suggest to keep your Integrity. That will come with how you behave around this friend.

Nell.. let me challenge you a bit for good discussion. Heck, I think you could even feel the pressure from post! Lol..

OMG! No, don't date while you're married! You know what it will do?
1. Make you feel like sh!t because you are dating WHILE YOU ARE MARRIED.

Then you are still emotionally connected and you DO care.. Don’t care is what I say. Stop caring for those who make a choice not to include them like they are suppose to do.. You can do this in many ways.. First, stop loving them. Stop any quality time. Stop all touch. Stop all gifts and services.. Do your own laundry, get your own bank account, never tell them were you are going, things like that.. Don’t argue with them.. Just tell them your business position.. 50/50.. Just because one person feels like shit does not mean a man will feel like shit. I wouldn’t. Hey, this is what happens.

2. Give your WW actual evidence that what she did wasn't so bad because you are doing the (approximate) same thing.

What evidence? If a spouses checks out.. Nothing you can do about it. You move on… it does not mean you commit infidelity yourself because I think most states have laws against infidelity when you are married.

3. Add a whole lot more anger to the D process, which will suck for you AND for your children.

Anger? So what. Let her feel what she feels.. It is going to happen to her sooner or later. YOU DON’T care about her feelings.. because she is no longer part of your everyday world. Ignore her when she gets angry or say.. You can look at her and think.. get angry all you want. “Soon, I won’t even know you are angry at me..” But might be best to say nothing.

A person can lead another into a more pleasant split… can simple say things like.. STBXW.. I never wanted to split, you did.. I am OK with that today… part of that is for us to now treat each other as pleasant as possible and basically make our worlds different. We are not going to be part of each others life. Let’s get used to this.. We can do it pleasant and not evolve the kids. You involve the kids, that falls on you and a mother should not want anything bad for the kids… or we can do it in anger and I will explain to out kids the best of my ability. I am not going to be angry; I’m just doing what I need to do to be the healthiest man… and you can be healthy now too. I do forgive you.

4. Bring an innocent person into an already crappy situation.
Innocent person? If you are not saying a word about your crappy W, what she is doing, and just enjoying time together, what the heck will this person know about ending his M? You control what you say to your female friend. I’m saying do not discuss your M. If the crappy W interferes with your new life.. Tell your friend you are sorry Hey, I am ending my M and not by my choice… My W made choices to stop loving me so here I am.. Moving ahead in life.. that simple… and tell your W to get out and stay out since she cannot be pleasant.

Do you get the theme and the key to strength and happiness?
Believe me, we cannot be weak. Weak is not attractive. H&C.. The fat lady has not sung yet.. You do what I say and your W might decide she does not want to be unmarried. She is waiting and waiting for you to make your move. DO IT.. People that cheat have a very bad characteristic about them.. they live in fear. They are too afraid to confront the mess they caused in most cases. It is not real common a W like mine or Njgal comes around.

If her fear dictates her choice and If she decides to get her head back in the M, you let me know.. I have some help for you to lead your W to a much better place. A place where she will enjoy the new you and she will reward you for it.


We must be the strong ones.. and never be weak.. When you are strong you will feel good. Strong is starting to behave like she is no longer part of your world. That will end your grief. Discuss only the kids.. business only.


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ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 5:58 PM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

tryn,

I understand what you are saying.

You are dead wrong.


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 6:13 PM, September 3rd (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

chimin in on the dating issue:

i think this is not a one size fits all sich....

there are some who are separated and not divorcing because of medical coverage

there are some who are living with an in house separation

there are some waiting for their ws to "wake up"

there are some who are still on the fence

there are some who plan on divorcing but there spouse doesn't know it yet...

i could go on and on with this...

the point: i think you would need to look at each sich and its solely up to the bs...the bs should be on the way to divorce or at least separated whether it be in house or not, and the ws needs to know that the bs intends to divorce, after that its none of the ws's business.....

it really is a matter of your own personal values that you feel within.....because you will have to live with those choices for long after....and if you have no issue with those choices then go for it and just be careful and realize that you are not in any emotional state for anything long term and you should be honest with any person you do date....they have a right to know the sich, (not the personal shit, but the fundamental shit) to decide if they still want to be involved....and again....i would highly recommend against looking for serious.....

personally as long as you are divorcing and your stbx knows you are plannin to divorce them, it then i say have fun....keep it all light and airy....

and if like tryn said, if you are still emotionally connected then you aren't ready to date whether you are married and/or separated/divorced


((((tribe))))


(((trust))) how are you???? i always remember you in my prayers


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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Default  Posted: 11:21 AM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

H&C, i'm kinda with tryn and iwam on this, assuming:

1. you are honest about you sitch with whom you meet.
2. you are able to maintain boundaries
3. you are indeed separated (even if in-house) and have agreed with your WW that you are moving onward apart
4. you realize that you are in no position to offer a healthy relationship yet

...developing some female friends, and I do mean friends, is good anyways - source for being fixed up on a date down the road...

I do not agree with Nell that this is cheating as you tried for a LONG time to R, and your WW has explicitly said the M is over, regardless of who lives where. The M is over, so no cheating.

I do not agree with tryn to look at steps at moving onward as a way of attracting back your W. manipulative. plus such an agenda says the M is not explicitly over.

best of luck,

Jack



I am not a marriage counselor. I chose "MC Jack" in the spirit of a handle like "MC Hammer" or Young MC"...there is a lot of 'rapping' here, no? At the time I did not know what MC stood for on this site. Duh.

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hopeandchange
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Default  Posted: 12:03 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Friends - yes! Old ones, new ones
Dating - NO! Match.com, a dating site so not now.
I am comfortable in my own skin and do not need the external validation
Yes, I do miss the friendship, companion ship, support, romance and affection that one expects from a M and I do mourn it's loss. I also reflect on the betrayal of her A and still feel the pain
I am OK and start a new year, Rosh Hasana, this week and will continue to live MY life with integrity and comfortable that I have treated those in my life with love and compassion

H&C


BH (me, 50)
WS (her, 48)
Divorced!
3 wonderful teens
Heading for Happiness

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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 12:04 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nell... you know strong is attractive...

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Default  Posted: 12:08 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

h&c ~ I just had to come out of lurkdom (yes, beware tribe, the Milkshake is always lurking) to tell you what a mensch you are. Everytime I read one of your posts I am blown away by you. Just had to let you know! Back to lurkdom now.


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


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atsenaotie
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Default  Posted: 12:25 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am comfortable in my own skin and do not need the external validation

Good for you H&C! I think many would do better if they had a relationship with themselves alone before dating. Just like I think you need to be prepared to D to prepare for R, I really think it is important to be solidly comfortable alone as a foundation for participating in significant pair relationships.

ETA: it is worth a trip to the Quote thread in F&G to see Nell's quote, p 45 NIK posted it.

[This message edited by atsenaotie at 12:33 PM, September 4th (Wednesday)]


LTA BS 53
FWW 60
M 1990, dday 10-5-09
Reconciled

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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 12:28 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Interesting... manipulative? "characterized by unscrupulous control of a situation or person"

I personally do not think.. “Hey, you choose not to be in this M.. then I move on..” is manipulative. It is not unscrupulous. It is what happens.

Manipulative is to stay around bopping, lying your spouse while giving yourself to another in secret. You are selfishly controlling what is NOT a M.

Manipulative is to string a man along by saying you want a D, then doing nothing further with that choice.. why do that? To unscrupulously prevent that man from having a loving companion.. take whatever love she can get from him.. Selfishly enjoying whatever fruits she needs for her own satisfactions… As long as we let others manipulate us.. they will. .

Sometimes when another sees the consequences of their own bad behaviors, they change their own values. That fat lady won’t sing until the D papers are signed.


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Default  Posted: 12:53 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

tryn, makes sense...so manipulative may be the wrong word...

...to clarify, I just do not think H&C should engage in external relationships solely as a means (specific agenda) toward affecting WW...the agenda should be making sure he is moving onward, 'heading for happiness'...

[This message edited by MC_Jack at 1:05 PM, September 4th (Wednesday)]


I am not a marriage counselor. I chose "MC Jack" in the spirit of a handle like "MC Hammer" or Young MC"...there is a lot of 'rapping' here, no? At the time I did not know what MC stood for on this site. Duh.

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Default  Posted: 1:18 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Anyone who may have followed my sob story may have noted I stopped posting for a year.
Back then i was scared, confused, filled with bad advice from a rugsweeping WS and MC. I was put on AD meds under the direction of the MC but against my IC's advice.
I fired that MC but she stayed on as my WW's IC- why not she tells her she is in perfect mental health and her LTA was caused by me (BS) not "keeping her happy" whatever the hell that means.
So fast forward several months. I was told that I could stop the AD meds whenever I wanted to (nurse practitioner prescribing was against the AD meds and only prescribed low doses, I learned later).
So I immediately stopped the meds- shortly thereafter I broke the jar the wife had been keeping my testes in and took them back. Amazing how things have changed.
I became more assertive and made a few new friends, one of which is an attractive woman.
I made it clear from the start that I would not lose my integrity nor ask her to compromise hers for a cheap thrill. We have leaned on eachother for emotional support- she divorced a few years back and gives me perspective.
But the WW is livid. Accusing me of doing the very thing she did to me twice. checking my phone records, trying to pin down my every move, she even called this woman and grilled her about talking to her husband.
When she wants to fight about it I must remind her "err, umm... I'm the one who placed value in our vows and have been honest...I told you of my friendship without prompting, I AM Fing HONEST REMEMBER?????"
To her this is me throwing her affair in her face- "can't I just get over it?"
But I am driving the car now-(she put it in the ditch and lost her driving privleges) she can remain a passenger for awhile or she can jump out the next time I slow down. But if she keeps up the nagging back seat driving
the car will screech to a halt and she will find her a$$ on the shoulder and watch me shrink in the distance. Right now I'm looking for a rest area to leave her at though I aught to leave her in the middle of a desert like she did to me.
My IC is cheering me on for being assertive while warning me not to stoop to her level and cheat-
There is hope people- it ain't easy, quick or painless
but there is hope for all of us. Only I can make me happy.
Only she can fix her broken self.

[This message edited by MutedMan at 1:25 PM, September 4th (Wednesday)]


Me=BS 42
Her=WW 37
DDAY=Feb. 2012
5yr long term affair
2 little kids
Forward does not necessarily mean together.

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Mutedman, welcome to the LTA corner of SI. I don't know your story but are you and your WW still together, trying to R, S, or headed towards D? What are you looking for out of your M now if anything?


D-day 5/24/11
BH = Me
STBXWW = Her
2 children
The first true sense of calm I felt in YEARS was when I filed for D...
Separated 6/2013, D official around 6/2014

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DecimatedHeart
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Default  Posted: 3:46 PM, September 4th (Wednesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

MutedMan - I do not know your story so I am merely responding to this post. Your WW, whom I am assuming you are trying to R with, feels this friendship has crossed the line into EA territory. You said yourself you are leaning on OW for emotional support, which sounds like at the very least you are heading towards murky waters. Also, you sound very angry. Gently, is it possible that subconsciously you are trying to punish your WW with this relationship? Yes, you are being honest with WW about the friendship, but it is hurting her, and my first thought was that is what you are shooting for.


Me, BS 41
Him WH 42 - LTA, EA/PA
Together 24 years
DD13 - the love of my life
DDay#1 11/10/2012
DDay#4 4/5/2013 (NC broken AGAIN)
A supposedly over 6/14/2013

All my posts are edited - I hate typos. :)


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MutedMan
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@7yrs, I was hoping against hope and my gut to R. Pushed MC, pushed a real MC when the 1st rugswept and blameshifted, I've read 5 languages, too bad to stay too good to leave, after the affair, a book on anger management (insite to her rage?), self esteem books by Nathaniel Brandon, hundreds of posts, regular IC, MC on and off for 1yr. I've bent over backwards (not proud of it) to please her these last months while doped on ADs only to find nothing had changed in her. Yes she offered sex when she seldom did before, she says I love you all the time (this and sorry feel like a jab by a rusty bayonet) and she says she wants things to be like before.
But I have exhausted my patience and have transitioned from ' let's work this out' to let's plan an exit strategy that is best for the children. Sadly, while she acknowledges my decision to D she continues to pretend, wants to cuddle, be intimate and pretend everything is pre-D day.


Me=BS 42
Her=WW 37
DDAY=Feb. 2012
5yr long term affair
2 little kids
Forward does not necessarily mean together.

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