I guess if a woman feels secure and attractive in her marriage she won't mind too much if her H appreciates another woman's beauty. I don't mind too much as my H doesn't ogle or make me feel uncomfortable but if a pretty woman enters a room I notice him noticing. Not a biggie.
BUT your wife obviously, due to her experiences as a BS probably doesn't feel secure and pretty right now so you checking out other women will be a blow to her. I would suggest, as natural as it is, you have to consciously stop doing it or stop being in such environments where it's too difficult for you not to do.
Maybe other guys can help you more. All I can say is it's not going to help your W and will make her feel worse about herself.
[This message edited by Trying33 at 1:37 AM, June 15th (Saturday)]
I'm presuming that you are talking about checking out women you consider pretty and having thoughts associated with those looks that aren't appropriate?
What thoughts went through your head pre-A as opposed to post-A?
Is this happening in all settings? Women on the side of the street? in the store? at work? and while you're generally out and about? Do you do it when you're alone? or when your BW is with you too?
I think Trying33 has hit on something that could help...and it's that some guys look but are discreet, and others are very obvious. What I've seen is that some guys are so obvious that it is too the point of being embarrassing that they can be so disrespectful to the women they are checking out.
I hate to say this, but this is something where worrying about how others see you could actually help. Just bear with me...think about when you're walking down the isle of the store and you see a woman coming toward you. Your inclination is to look, but do you ever notice her boyfriend or husband giving you the evil eye? When you're driving around and crane your neck to get a better view, do you realize there is likely at least one person watching you and thinking "what an ass..."?
Maybe another tack...how does it make you feel when/if your BW checks out some other guy? Or better yet, when a guy checks out your BW? I'll tell you one thing, I see guys checking out my BW often enough, and it pisses me off. I've also seen a number of guys my age checking out my 16-yo daughter. So, how would that make you feel? to have a bunch of old creepy guys ogling your daughter?
I don't know. My own habits have changed, but I think I've always felt I was more discreet than most of the guys I know. I've always been scared of being embarrassed if caught. I mean, what would you do if a woman knew you were looking at her and came up to you and asked why you were looking at her? What would you say?
I applaud you for posting this. It's a hard subject to address openly. Maybe just the act of talking about it might help to cement what you are learning, which is that it is disrespectful to your BW, and to every woman you check out. So hopefully you can stop the motion of looking earlier and earlier so that when you see something "suspect" coming into your field of view, you can keep your eyes locked on the road, or something further down the aisle, or maybe even engage your BW in conversation.
Are you 13?
Believe me, (as an attractive woman), we do NOT appreciate it, and instantly relegate you to the sleeze category.
We both feel bad for the woman he's with.
I get looked at and I don't immediately attach a sleazy label. There's a difference between a casual glance and a leer.
Also, I find some people misinterpret "looking". My friend and I were out one time and a guy was looking our way. She was quite "offended" , yeah whatever, at his intense focus.
I was rather amused as I was as dialed in as he was....on the sweet Chevelle 396 SS...right behind us.
Sigh...such a nice car. Mmmmmm.
[This message edited by uncertainone at 12:20 PM, June 15th (Saturday)]
'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth
A person will notice if another person walks by and that's, normal. It's when you leer and start thinking of banging them, what they look like undressed, if you could get away with it, etc., those thoughts are what you need to look out for....there's currently over 7 Billion people on this planet and over 3 Billion are women. My point is you can't avoid them all.
There's a difference between a casual glance and a leer.
Very true! I totally agree.
I was just 'assuming' (and we know that's a mistake.. ) that if his wife could no longer go anywhere with him and feel safe, that he was leering, not just looking.
I had the same thoughts as you. "Oh no I'm looking at another woman, I have to stop or I'm a horrible person."
Every time you notice an attractive woman you get confused, angry with yourself. But you can't seem to stop.
Here is my two cents and what I found to help....
Men are stimulated by visual indicators. When you see an attractive woman you will usually take notice. It's O.K.! You are not a bad person! It's how you handle your thoughts that define you.
Here is something you can do to help. When you see a woman who is attractive, don't beat yourself up! Look at your BS and think of something you like about them!
When you are checking out the Woman in the high heels and short skirt and you start to get upset at yourself, look at your BS and pick something about the way she looks and focus on that!
Also, you should talk with your BS and tell her how you feel. Tell her that you get upset at yourself and want to stop. Find out how she feels about the situation, does she understand?
Here is hoping you the best, stay strong things will get better!
looking can lead to very bad things. to include hurting the woman/man you are with. just by looking at someone.
I hate the responses that condone the behavior of men and its "normal"... it's not normal, its a shitty thing to do.
women: you shouldn't have to accept a man's glancing at other woman as normal behavior because they are guy's
men: we shouldn't allow ourselves to be controlled by other women. If your mind is controlled by another woman's looks and you want to look at her you are giving her the power over your woman.
I hate society today and how much sex is everywhere and it's all geared to men. its why we consider it to be "normal" because its what everything tells us... you wont walk down the street and see half naked man selling butter to women on a billboard. even stuff that's meant to sell to women has attractive women on it!!!!!!
things have gotten easier when going out with my girlfriend as far as other women around. the way I deal with it is to not look. If I feel that there's a female around I will not turn my eyes away from my girlfriend. or I will look at the ground or something away from the other female.
... you wont walk down the street and see half naked man selling butter to women
If I feel that there's a female around I will not turn my eyes away from my girlfriend. or I will look at the ground or something away from the other female.
Yeah, that ain't creepy at all... I just hope the good Lord cursed you with poor peripheral vision. I mean holy shit there is like 50% of them out there!
COME ON! Railing against society because you like boobies and have a hard time looking away. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
You choose your behavior, but be honest about it, it isn't society or the billboards or anything else BUT YOU. I have seen plenty of people in "Society" that manage themselves just fine. After 4 months this is the most you have come up with to make your BGF feel safe? That says more to her unsafe feeling than a cute girl walking across the room. What are you doing to fix something that might be of more value to the both of you?
My wife and I have known eachother for more than twenty years. Men have and do look at her. She's has and does at men. And, yes, women have and do look at me. And, yes, I have and do look at women. Together, we have and do look at people. We're human, we're curious, and I think somewhere in Universities and research labs around the planet there are evolutionary biologists who would say we're DESIGNED to look, compare, contrast - to interact - in this way. And this sometimes means just fleetingly and just visually. We're social creatures.
On this site, that may not be something a BS wants to hear. And any WS (male or female) who is doing either the looking or attention seeking with ulterior or negative purpose needs to be transparent about the why's with IC's, MC's, and BS's. And they need to get real about the "buzz" this external validation they are seeking gives them. I am in no way excusing or condoning either a man OR a woman who is actively and with the underlying purposes of trolling to create secret connections (by either being an "active looker" or by being an active "visual attention seeker"). Both men and woman can do EITHER, and ANY man or woman doing either of these things has already crashed through the thin ice.
My affair did not begin with me giving a casual or leering glance at a woman on the street, or with a woman at the gym checking me out. I am 100% affair-free when it comes to any woman I've glanced at (and I am discreet), or who has glanced at me (edit to add: going back about 38 years!).
I'm not making light of the discomfort felt by the thread starter, or the potential danger this topic can pose. It just seems, as various respondents have touched upon, that to try to actively avoid this is actually an unnatural and perhaps draining distraction from, just perhaps and again imho, more important core issues that relate directly to me, my BW, and us. We can survive, discuss, handle glances to/from men and/or women. We have a heck of a lot of other stuff that I need to do, that she needs to do, and that we need to do together...to keep us busy, on track, and growing.
Good luck with your discomfort, nogood.
[This message edited by JustDesserts at 10:29 AM, July 15th (Monday)]