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User Topic: Abbondad Part 3...
Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just found this on a site about Florida alimony guidelines:


A court may also consider whether either spouse committed adultery during the marriage, and under what circumstances. Courts are most likely to take adultery into account when one spouse's affair caused the other financial harm. For example, if one spouse bought lavish gifts for a paramour using marital funds, the court might factor that into the alimony award.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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confused615
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Default  Posted: 9:13 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

She threw herself into your arms,wouldn't let go,and was crying..all of this done in front of your children..children who have been caught in the middle of this shit storm as she left,came home,left,and came home,and left again. Children who have been told there is going to be a divorce. Children who have seen mommy's boob pics to her POSOM. Children who have met the OM. And now THIS.

W.T.F.

Really,AD...What The Fuck.

You must never allow her to do this again. Never. She does not want to be your wife. She wants her cake..and you've taken that away. She has decided she won't give up the OM. STOP allowing her to throw herself into your arms. It's not fair to you..but more importantly..what do you think that does to those kids? Kids hate seeing their mom cry..all kids. Most moms know this. She is doing this shit in front of the kids..she is using them to get to you. She is manipulating all of you. YOU must not let her do this.

Tell her as long as she is touching OM,she can NOT touch you. And stop letting her pull this shit in front of those kids.

You know...we see here on SI all the time how fucked up people are because of their FOO. Because their childhoods were fucked up by fucked up parents. I really worry about how all of her bullshit is affecting those sweet kids of yours.

She is not your wife. She fired you from the job of being her husband. But you are their father. Protect them from her emotional abuse.


ETA: 180,180,180,NC,NC,NC.


[This message edited by confused615 at 9:14 AM, July 21st (Sunday)]


BS(me)42
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,10
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7319 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
standingonmarble
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Default  Posted: 9:41 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Maybe you can get into settlement that you have 5 years to refinance or give her the equity after you sell the house after the kids are grown. That has happened in situations up here in my state. Throw those at her and see just how greedy she is and how concerned she is about her kids.

You might really want a witness with you when you have to see her. It might stop her drama in front of the kids. See that list I sent you.


At one time he was a man standing on marbles. Now I am a woman standing on marble.....

We are done fighting with each other and decide to fight FOR each other.


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Grace and Flowers
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Default  Posted: 9:55 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You keep fretting that you "don't think you qualify" for SS. You have mentioned paying her half the equity of the house several times.

You need to stop with the speculations....you will get the answers from your attorney.

Don't necessarily have to pay her half the house equity. She can sign a quit claim deed and walk away from the house. You can perhaps offer her other things than $$ for the "equity". And you can get her off the mortgage any time by refinancing.

But if you can't afford the house, don't. The kids will be fine living anywhere with a loving parent.

And I agree with confused. How in the holy heck are you still allowing situations where she throws herself into your arms? Why can't you stop this? It's not healthy for anyone involved. And in front of your kids...my god. You have the power to protect them. Won't you?

Finally, again, quit with the speculating on finances, house, etc. Your lawyer will have all the answers, and you are only working yourself up again with odd suppositions.


I'm Happy, not Sad!

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alphakitte
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Default  Posted: 10:11 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Abbondad, you are doing yourself a disservice with all the conjecture regarding divorce. You need an expert advising you and protecting your best interests, and those of the children.

Any reference to the circumstances surrounding your wife's adultery could bite you harder than it wounds her.


------ Some people are emotional tadpoles. Even if they mature they are just a warty toad. Catt

Posts: 349 | Registered: Sep 2011 | From: 3 klicks north of Ambiguous
5454real
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Default  Posted: 11:04 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just a quick response. You can speculate the finances all you want. Trust me, your lawyer will give you the basics of what you can expect. Don't focus on that. Bottom line is it's all just stuff. Worry about you and the kids.

As to the falling into your arms crap. What a bitch. It's all just part of her routine to use against you with the kids. "Look kids, I'm trying, it's all AD's fault that we are not together". So much for the best interest of the kids, not?

Timeline question. Not about the affair, but about her behaviors. What is she like when the kids aren't around. I've got a dollar to your donut that there is a marked difference.

All kids exchanges need to take place when/where there are witnesses around. Sounds like she's playing to win(albeit in a 'dirty' way). Don't cede the field.

Strength


BH 51, WW 42
DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 20(Hers),DS 9 Ours, DGS 3, DGD 1 mo
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 10yrs
I have no love for a friend who loves in words alone.
― Sophocles, Antigone

Posts: 2726 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: midwest
FaithFool
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Default  Posted: 11:39 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If you stay in that house it will keep you tied to this madness and you will always be pinching pennies.

The kids will adapt to a fresh start. They will probably surprise you and you may even surprise yourself.

You need to keep this toxic bitch at arm's length, and cutting the real estate thread will help.

Sorry you're going through all of this. It's maddening.


DDay: June 15, 2008
Mistakenly married Mr. Superfreak
20 years of OWs, WTF?
Divorced Dec 26, 2011
"Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget
to sing in the lifeboats". -- Voltaire

Posts: 17341 | Registered: Jul 2008 | From: Canada
Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 1:11 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

WTF! My STBXWW just told me happily that she is considering renting a house basically around the corner from me!!

I think she doesn't want to let me go--ever--and this is just a form of cake eating.

I don't. Want. Her. Around. Me.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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DeadMumWalking
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Default  Posted: 2:07 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why are you still talking to her??

NC NC NC.


Me (BS), Him (WH): early 50's
3 DS: teens!!! :)
M: 24 (19 1/2 at Dday), Together 29
Dday: Dec 2008
re-separated (in-house), for good (??) <-- should really remove these, shouldn't I...

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ButterflyGirl
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Default  Posted: 3:48 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

As to the falling into your arms crap. What a bitch. It's all just part of her routine to use against you with the kids. "Look kids, I'm trying, it's all AD's fault that we are not together".

I couldn't agree with this more.. She is trying to make it YOUR fault to the kids as to why you are not together.

Honestly, I would let the house go. I would plan your finances as if you don't get a single penny from her. Thank the Lord I have been doing that, since the POS hasn't been paying me child support or his half of unreimbursed medical or extracurriculars.

You don't want to be struggling every month trying to make the bills. Think of the extras you could have if you downsized? You could take family vacations, more trips to Disney, save for their college, etc.. And financial stress spills over and causes more stress in other areas of your life. I would very much recommend finding a place that you can comfortably afford.

And kids have to move and change houses ALL THE DAMN TIME. Will it be a change for them that they will have to deal with? YES. Can you make it easier on them by setting up their new place with things they love, bringing them to local parks, encouraging them to make new friends? YES. It's all about how you handle the change and show them that things will be okay..

Oh, and I've said it a hundred times already, but I'll say it again. NO CONTACT in person or on the phone. Email or text only. There is no reason you guys have to talk face to face in front of the kids. You are giving them false hope. Legally and emotionally, please, start limiting this to email and text only.

ETA: Oh, and I think "fight" is not a strong enough word. Divorce with an unremorseful wayward, especially one who seems to have a personality disorder such as your wife, is WAR.

[This message edited by ButterflyGirl at 4:01 PM, July 21st (Sunday)]


xBW~ 35
Two of the most darling sons ~ 10 and 7

Posts: 2108 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: Florida, USA
Grace and Flowers
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Default  Posted: 5:09 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

AD,
You think she doesn't want to let go of you?

No, it's mutual. You don't want to let go of her.

Why won't you go NC? Why did you have to have this conversation with her? The crazy stops when you make it stop.

Unless you thrive on it. And I think you do. Sorry if that's harsh, but I think you don't want NC, really. So, don't be shocked at what you hear, or what happens.


I'm Happy, not Sad!

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Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 5:34 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

No, it's mutual. You don't want to let go of her.

Thank you. But you are mistaken.

Many of these meetings cannot be avoided for they are extemporaneous.

This one, for example: I happened to be in my driveway, she pulled up and as I was helping my kids out of the car she told me of this house for rent. What could i have reasonably done in that moment?

I then took the kids, said "Bye," went inside and closed the door.

I am doing my best, friends.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 5:35 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR EVER LOVING MIND?!?!

Staying in that house is only going to cause you pain and grief. Remember how she manipulated you a week ago and barged in and cleaned? She is batshit crazy enough to feel always welcome in that place. I would push for selling and splitting in the D. That way you both have a fresh start an you won't have to be house poor.
Trust me it's no fun having to live that tightly to a budget.

A for her hugging you like that you need to make it perfectly clear that is NEVER EVER NEVER to happen again. I it does you will file an order of protection! Seriously. She will do anything to manipulate you an tr situation have you ever followed out advice and gotten a VAR? This shit is gonna bite you of you do t protect yourself.


Me: FBS
Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
Fully R'd, and Happy Happy Happy

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roughroadahead
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Default  Posted: 6:17 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I will say it is unlikely that you'd get an RO for the holding (at least here you'd need to show a fear for safety... maybe you can, who knows), but if you wanted to play hardball, file a police report. Likely not to be prosecuted, but at least putting money where your mouth is regarding "don't touch me".

I agree that you should sell the house. Make a fresh start somewhere else, that you can comfortably afford. Something that's not "hers". Your kids will adapt. Talk it up, let them get excited about picking out new things for their rooms. There may be a transition time for them, but you're playing the long game here. A couple of months of adjusting weighed against years of a peaceful home.


BS-Me 30s
WS-Him 30s
D-Day 4/2012 (Insisted EA only)
D-Day 5/2012 (Did I say EA? Ummm..)
Numerous other TT/broken NC d-days until S 1/2013. D settled 11/2013
MOW-coworker, 40s.
2 DS and DD all w/autism

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Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 6:24 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

have you ever followed our advice and gotten a VAR?

Thank you, TN. Yes I have. I have it with me always. Even when we speak on the phone I put her on speaker and have the VAR recording.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 6:35 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((AD)))
Sorry for being so harsh but I was seeing some major backsliding. You are struggling with the unknown. Just like you learn to accept you can't change her accept that you will have answers after you meet with your attorney. Try not to let your OCD drive your good sense away.

(((( and strength ))))


Me: FBS
Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
Fully R'd, and Happy Happy Happy

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Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 7:11 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My wife just texted me that she intends to move back to our home and I need to move out. Advice?

Does she have the legal recourse to do this? I guess she does since it is still her home and I have not gotten any legal prohibition against her doing this. But she did move out and her name is on the lease.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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5454real
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Default  Posted: 7:15 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

only her name?


BH 51, WW 42
DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 20(Hers),DS 9 Ours, DGS 3, DGD 1 mo
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 10yrs
I have no love for a friend who loves in words alone.
― Sophocles, Antigone

Posts: 2726 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: midwest
Abbondad
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Default  Posted: 7:17 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

only her name?

Yes. She again is saying that I do not have the children's best interest in mind, which is her way of saying they are not safe with me. She has done this before. I am scared, as this is such a bizarre lie.


Divorced April Fool's Day 2014

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
-Dune


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Twitchy
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Default  Posted: 7:25 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It sounds to me like POSOM has kicked her to the curb.

Sure she can move back in. But first, put a lock on your bedroom door and move all her stuff to a cot in the basement. She can sleep there.

Move up the meeting with the lawyer and have the papers ready when she arrives. Or at least have a document ready stating your intentions to file and outlining your proposal to split the living expenses and child care until you can sell the house.

She wants you to take her back. Fuck that noise.

[This message edited by Twitchy at 7:26 PM, July 21st (Sunday)]


BH(me)-49, FWW-43,
D-Day #1 - Oct 2007 - On-Line EA leading to a failed rendez-vous
D-Day #2 - Nov 2008 - In person EA caught early.

Away you will go, sailing in a race among the ruins.
If you plan to face tomorrow, do it soon. Gordon Lightfoot


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