Topic: Are there two levels of Affair on this site?
Member # 34831
| Posted: 1:22 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
You read the most heartbreaking personally accounts on this site. Some involve EA and other PA.
But do people see EAs as a lesser heartbreak?
I am thinking maybe the do.
WH signed up for sleazy dating sites while working away for a month at a time. Discovered before any physical contact was made.
Posts: 231 | Registered: Feb 2012
Member # 10347
| Posted: 1:44 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
I am thinking that everybody's heartbreak is their own and cannot be compared to someone else's.
Both my H's cheated on me, the first with multiple partners (many prostitutes) more than he could count, and though at least 2 were both EA/PAs, I consider his more PA than EA. (He married the final OW and is still married to her over 20 years later).
My current H never had sex with the whore during our M, but there was some kissing and hugging. The A involved more talking on the phone than anything else. They exchanged ILY's and verbalized plans to leave their spouses to run off together.
If you want to talk about "heartbreak" I can assure you that what my current H did broke my heart more, partly because I was 100% sure that he would not ever get involved with someone like that.
What happened in my two marriages were at extreme opposites on the spectrum, and yet, they both had elements of both EA/PA in what they did. It is my opinion that most As are both EA/PA even if in some the PA does not mean actual full-on sex. For any PA that is repeated more than once with the same person it is almost certain there is some element of emotional "caring" connection even if the WS claims it was "just sex" and the AP says the same thing.
But I can't compare the actual hurt. It was beyond horrible in both marriages.
Posts: 5683 | Registered: Apr 2006
Member # 37439
| Posted: 2:24 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
I don't think there is a point in discussing it.
Different for everyone. It's what you think is worse, not I or anyone else
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Posts: 818 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Australia
Member # 15902
| Posted: 3:05 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
But do people see EAs as a lesser heartbreak?
This topic comes up now and again on SI. From what I have seen on this site, a betrayal is a betrayal. Meaning, the amount of suffering somebody goes through as a result of being betrayed by a spouse, largely depends on the individual and not necessarily the type of affair. A PA may compound the suffering due to the risk of pregnancy or an STD.
In my opinion, a double betrayal would be the most painful type of affair. I could not imagine how awful that would be.
Me: BH, Her: FWW - Long Term EA/PA
d-day: June 25, 2007
Married 30 years, Reconciled
Posts: 5624 | Registered: Aug 2007
Member # 17210
| Posted: 3:39 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
No matter what kind, the pain is always bad, and there is always some way we could imagine that is worse.
We have had people come here who were into swinging, or who had open marriages, so clearly the PA was not that big of a deal, but they felt the same heartbreak over casual sex becoming an EA. I am reluctant to say that I have seen every situation possible in my time here, because every time I have thought that, a new member joins with a story that I could not have imagined.
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Posts: 14924 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: Winnipeg
Member # 29341
| Posted: 5:50 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
It all sucks.
We're both in our 30s. One awesome 4-year-old daughter.
Posts: 6555 | Registered: Aug 2010 | From: Somewhere in the South
Member # 39588
| Posted: 5:56 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
Both sucked. It's funny because back then I told people I couldn't handle it if it had been physical - ha!!!!
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Him (fWS): 36
Married 16 years 6 kids ages 15-6
DDay #1 (EA) July '08
DDay #2 (EA/ONS- different OW) May 15, 2013
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Posts: 299 | Registered: Jun 2013
Member # 24924
| Posted: 6:08 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
My H had EA's and he had PA's. I can't say which hurt me more. They are both hell. They were both disrespectful of me, with a complete disregard for my feelings.
I feared the EA's would soon become PA's, and I feared the PA's would turn emotional.
(We are separated, soon to be D)
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Married 14 yrs. Now Separated & in NC
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Posts: 3020 | Registered: Jul 2009 | From: Ohio
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Member # 31583
| Posted: 6:18 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
What Jana said.
My WH had "just sex" with hookers and several EA's of greater and lesser degrees with a few OW (I don't know if they are classified strictly as EA's, he 'dated' one, developed "feelings" for her - strictly speaking it was a PA too because they did kiss...once and he wanted to get her into bed -... and the others he just flirted with and took into his confidence... taking time and energy away from our relationship to do so and I never knew any of them existed... yep, that's an EA in my book)
...and you know what?
It all hurts, some days the "just sex" hurts more, some days it's the women he had developed "feelings" for and shared things with.
ALL of it was a betrayal of me, my trust, our marriage, our family, our life together.
Yeah, I'm way too wordy, Jana said it all and used fewer words...
It all sucks.
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Posts: 469 | Registered: Mar 2011
Member # 32785
| Posted: 6:28 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
What is considered worse is very personal. For some of us here including myself who hve been through EAs, PAs and infidelity with prostitutes it depends on what day it is! But to answer your direct question, no, I do not believe that there is collective thought that one is worse then the other, this is an incredibly inclusive group.
Posts: 463 | Registered: Jul 2011 | From: Hawaii
Member # 36714
| Posted: 6:59 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
No distinction. Not worse, just different.
Remorse vs no remorse seems to matter to people more, since it has a real effect on what the options are and how things can proceed moving forward.
Posts: 236 | Registered: Sep 2012
Member # 15906
| Posted: 8:33 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
Nope. It all sucks.
SO-5 years together-he decided to end it by cheating too
Posts: 1373 | Registered: Aug 2007 | From: PNW country
Member # 7276
| Posted: 10:43 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
Everyone is different. What one person this is worse may be different than what you think is worse.
No two situations are the same.
Personally, I feel pain is pain, betrayal is betrayal, lies are lies. Those things are all the same.
Me: BS 48
Him: Doesn't matter any more.
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Posts: 14394 | Registered: Jun 2005 | From: Massachusetts
Member # 39099
| Posted: 10:59 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
Just my two cents, but sometimes I'm envious of those who are "only" trying to recover from EAs. But I agree with Bobbi_Sue that pain is individualized.
I also suspect that a lot of waywards refuse, without irrefutable proof, to admit to anything more than an EA. And that the story of an EA-only doesn't pass the smell test to their BS, which in a sense causes a deeper level of pain than that suffered by a spouse who gets all the gory EA/PA details early in the process.
I've heard from BS' on this site who suspect the affair was much more than what was admitted. The fact is, if you cheat (whatever the nature), you destroy trust. EA, PA, EA/PA, whatever your story may be, you've shot your own credibility, honor, and integrity to hell.
Not that it can't be recovered, but we're talking about a long process. My wife and I are only four and a half months in, and it just hit me the other day that we're looking at years, not months, to get through this.
DDay 2/17/13, 9-10 month PA/EA
Final NC late Feb. '13
M - 18 years, together 19+
Posts: 1328 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Texas
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Member # 39702
| Posted: 11:01 AM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
He claims to have a EA one, but I feel as though since her met her, he probably turned PA and I'm still being lied too. It hurts like hell! I agree with the others. No one can tell me how I feel and it would be worse one way or another. It sucks all around!
Me BW (36)
together 16 years
2 kids: 6 DD & 10 month DS
more TT: 6/13/13
more TT: 7/9/13
Posts: 40 | Registered: Jun 2013
Member # 33934
| Posted: 1:20 PM, July 1st (Monday), 2013|
And that the story of an EA-only doesn't pass the smell test to their BS
That's me to some extent. I don't have any specific evidence that anything other than a single kiss occurred but, there have been several red flags and plenty of opportunity.
To address the original question, I don't see that there are two classes of A. It is more a matter of different circumstances leading each member, and all of the lurkers, to this site. I know that I feel, at times, that my situation is really weak compared to any number of others that have posted here. But, that is looking at it more in terms of knowing what really happened as opposed to having lots of red flags and having to infer and extrapolate from observed behavior from an unremorseful and unrepentant wayward. A betrayal of trust between partners that breaks apart the inherent and fundamental shared connection and instead erects walls between is devastating regardless of the specific nature of the betrayal.
Me(35) XWW(36) DS(7) DD 11/16/11 EA(PA?) M 11y D 9/3/13
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