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User Topic: Bad email from Wbf, chest hurting
Lonelygirl10
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Default  Posted: 8:51 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I've been posting in the R forum, because I made a commitment to myself and my Wbf to stick with the relationship. We were mostly doing good, and then I had a bunch of questions pop up in my head. I tried to ask them in person, and he pulled away from me and said he didn't see the point. So I sent him Joseph's letter, and tried to explain. Then I emailed him my questions. His answers gave me new information that I hadn't previously known, which led to a bunch of new questions. I replied to him this morning, and told him thank you for responding, and that I had more questions. I told him I was going to limit my questions, because I didn't want to "punish" him for answering my email. So I only asked the really important stuff, and left out all the minor stuff that is driving me crazy.

I just got an email response, and I'm crying at work. I can't believe what he's said, and it's really making me wonder if I can stick with R. How can I stay with someone who talks to me like this? Am I overreacting??? Please be honest. Here's part of his email:

The questions upset me. I feel like we should be beyond this stage. You had plenty of opportunities to ask questions during our multiple counseling sessions or our emails and I answered all of them. Your counselor encouraged you to try and be your old self and we started to actually get better. Your counselor did not encourage you to relive this again and be hurt again and ask more questions. I think she can tell how your personality drives you to know every little detail.

Secondly..... I'm not a witness. Don't try and put me on the witness stand and tell me that I am "being inconsistent" This isn't flipping a coin and seeing heads or tails...or being able to tell if something is black or white. I am telling you the truth to the best I remember it, I'm not holding anything back even though I know it hurts you. There has been plenty I could have hid from you and information that I have told you that has just led you to ask more and more questions. I'm not telling you conflicting stories. I am giving you more information that what you originally asked for and you are trying to make it all fit together. Yes I guess you need to know how to put the whole puzzle together....but the more questions you ask the more pieces you get. You could continue to ask more and more questions and just get more and more pieces. The fact is though I have been 100% honest with you...and if you tell me that im lying it's going to be much much harder for me to address these questions. I honestly don't see the importance or the significance of these questions... that is me being honest... they aren't questions that address why I did it (because we already know that) they just give you small hurtful details.

My counselor has been telling me from day one that I need to leave the relationship, and I started wondering whether my own negativity was causing our problems. So she challenged me to be my "old self" for as long as I could handle it.

The part about him being a witness really upsets me too. I'm an attorney, and he says that I treat him like a witness and cross examine him. That's hurtful to me, especially when I'm trying SO HARD to NOT do that. I'm restraining my questions to make it EASIER on him. I'm not asking everything I want to ask. How does he not see this?

What should I do? I don't know if I can stay in this relationship.

He had a ONS 3 months after we met, and then started a 4 month affair 8 months after the ONS. My initial questions were directed at the A, not the ONS. Now I'm learning all this new stuff about the ONS, and it feels like a whole new Dday.


29 Bgf
Dday: April 2013
Relationship ended: January 2014

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confused615
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Default  Posted: 8:57 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You have the right to ask your questions as often as you need to,for as long as you need to.

You need to 180...hard. Focus on you.

I agree with your IC,honey. This man has cheated on you nearly your entire relationship.

You deserve better.


BS(me)41
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,9
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


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Lonelygirl10
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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What is 180? I'm new to this whole thing, and I don't know what that means.


29 Bgf
Dday: April 2013
Relationship ended: January 2014

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Chrysalis123
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Default  Posted: 9:21 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/faq_bs.asp#FAQ11

This is from the healing library on this site.

What are you getting from this relationship?

I am sorry he treated you like that in the email. That is an example of an unremorseful person that is not sensitive to you.


Donít get to the end of your life and find that you lived only the length of it; live the width of it as well.†

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iggyD
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Default  Posted: 9:28 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He had a ONS 3 months after we met, and then started a 4 month affair 8 months after the ONS.

You don't indicate how long you've been together, but honestly, he's not been "all in" from the very beginning.

Gently, as hard as it may be and as much as it may hurt, I think you should walk away. You deserve better.


2012 was a bitch...but I'm hopeful about 2013.

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itainteasy
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Default  Posted: 9:42 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He can't tell you that you should be "over" this. Truth is, it's become a part of you, forever.

He wants you to rugsweep this, and go on like it didn't happen (be your "old self again").

He said:

Yes I guess you need to know how to put the whole puzzle together....but the more questions you ask the more pieces you get

This to me sounds like you don't have the whole story. He's telling you there are more pieces out there.

I could be wrong, but that is how I was struck by the comment.

(((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))

[This message edited by itainteasy at 9:43 AM, July 19th (Friday)]


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sisoon
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Default  Posted: 9:43 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You are definitely wrong to treat him as a witness - he's a d@#$ed perpetrator!

Not answering questions has at least 2 horrible aspects. First, the key to R is honesty, and hold back info when it's sought is being dishonest. That kills R.

Second, unwillingness to answer is almost definitely unwillingness to face what the WS has done. Unless the WS owns what she did and acknowledges responsibility for the sex, the lying, the blame-shifting, the gas-lighting, etc., the WS can not heal. Your bf wants to rug-sweep. He definitely is unwilling to be honest with you.

Do the 180. Get yourself together.

Then dump him. He doesn't deserve you.


fBH (me) - 65+, fWW (her) - 65+, Married 45+, together since 1965
DDay - 12/2010
Recovered, not yet fully R'ed
I share my own experience because it's the only experience I know, not because I'm a good model.

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selkiescot
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Default  Posted: 9:48 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If you need details you need details. Some of us heal better with all those little details. I agree 180. After this ind of betrayal NOONE becomes their old self again. It takes years and some things you just never get over.

[This message edited by selkiescot at 9:49 AM, July 19th (Friday)]


The truth shall set you free or reveal the name of the OW!
ME 57
WH 64
DDAYs TOO MANY
daughter 27
You give me gifts! I don't want your gifts I want the truth. That's the greatest gift.

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doesitgetbetter
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Default  Posted: 9:49 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I wonder, Lonely, what is it that makes you want to fix him? You haven't been with him that long, he's emotionally unavailable and weak, so what made you pick this guy as your partner? What makes you want to fix him? Have you always been a fixer? Do you feel you don't deserve better? Just asking.

Knowing that you're an attorney makes it even that much more important that he answer your questions until you are satisfied with the answers and can process the information. That's what you do for a living, get to the base of your case. You have to know every detail, good or bad, so you can build your case AND so you can defend against the opposing counsel when they try to reveal the holes and gaps in your case. It's part of who you are, the need to know everything is part of who you are. If he can't see that and understand that and simply answer your questions, then he'll never be all in for R. Never. He's asking you to stop being yourself and just move on from this, rather than healing THROUGH it.

Of course he was happy when you didn't talk about it for 2 weeks, because he didn't have to deal with it. He doesn't sound very remorseful, he doesn't sound like he even kinda gets it.

My H was sort of oblivious for the first few months as well. Although he would answer any and all questions, apologize profusely, etc. etc., he would also tell me that he felt like he "got off easy". That sort of puzzled me, but we continued on trying to R. At the 5 month mark, I had a major blow of TT (trickle truth) which involved an additional person, a much longer time frame, and more than just a ONS that time. I was crushed, and so was H. After that TT came out, he never again said he felt like he got off easy. He had felt that way and acted that way because he was still hiding things from me and still keeping major info from me all while claiming to be telling the truth.

We managed to work through it and heal from his infidelity, but only because my H was all in from that point forward, and he was answering all of my questions even before then.

If your WBF can't give you what you need to heal from the damage that HE caused, then he doesn't deserve to even kiss the ground that you walk on. You're a catch, and you deserve so much better than he's giving you. Don't sit there with him until you're 33, your biological clock ticking away, and then feel stuck with him because you don't want to start over with someone else and spend 5 years trying to get to know them and then you'll be almost out of child bearing age and the future will look bleak so you stick around and have his baby and then he decides to leave you finally. (Sorry, that all had to be in one sentence.) I've seen it happen time and time again, don't lock yourself into this, figure out what you are getting out of this relationship (read my first paragraph again), and go from there.


DDay - Dec '07
Me - BS
Him - FWS
Us - Committed
May 18, 2010 - I forgave him fully!
"Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction." Isaiah 48:10

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Lonelygirl10
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Default  Posted: 10:19 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You don't indicate how long you've been together, but honestly, he's not been "all in" from the very beginning.

We were together 3 months when ONS happened, and then together 11 months when A started. He broke up with me day after A, and gave a false reason. He kept saying that he was 99% sure he wanted to get back with me for three months, and then finally got back with me. He continued to see me and sleep with me during that time. Then after we officially got back together, he continued the A for another 3 weeks. He then got arrested for stalking her, because she allegedly found out he was with me and wanted revenge. He confessed after that, because he said he felt guilty. I'm sure it had nothing to do with me being an attorney who could find out about his trial. All together, we have been together 1.5 years now.

I wonder, Lonely, what is it that makes you want to fix him? You haven't been with him that long, he's emotionally unavailable and weak, so what made you pick this guy as your partner? What makes you want to fix him? Have you always been a fixer? Do you feel you don't deserve better? Just asking.

I don't know honestly. I feel this need to take care of him. I know he's insecure, and he cries a lot. I feel this need to take him in my arms, and comfort him and make him feel loved.

I'm also trapped between the person I fell in love with, and the person that did these things. He said he had conservative relationship values. He didn't have opposite sex friends. He believed porn was wrong. He didn't go to strip clubs. NOW he SAYS he still believes all those things... but his actions are so inconsistent.

Knowing that you're an attorney makes it even that much more important that he answer your questions until you are satisfied with the answers and can process the information. That's what you do for a living, get to the base of your case. You have to know every detail, good or bad, so you can build your case AND so you can defend against the opposing counsel when they try to reveal the holes and gaps in your case. It's part of who you are, the need to know everything is part of who you are. If he can't see that and understand that and simply answer your questions, then he'll never be all in for R. Never. He's asking you to stop being yourself and just move on from this, rather than healing THROUGH it.

Exactly this. You really summed up my feelings. He has always made this out to be my worst personality trait. When he broke up with me, he said that I needed to work on that flaw. He said he couldn't be with someone who noticed inconsistencies. That he was always telling the truth, and I had a personality flaw. I'm struggling with this in IC, and she keeps telling me that I won't be like that if the person I'm with is telling the truth.


I just feel so lost. Before Dday, we were looking for engagement rings. I kept telling everyone that they shouldn't give up on love, because they would eventually meet the perfect match like I did. And then it's like a bomb went off in my life, and I've been struggling to put the pieces together.


29 Bgf
Dday: April 2013
Relationship ended: January 2014

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anewday78
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Default  Posted: 10:33 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Since he's so concerned with reminding you about what your counselor has advised you to do (how patronizing btw), you should remind him of this:
My counselor has been telling me from day one that I need to leave the relationship

Frankly, as an outsider looking in, I tend to agree with your counselor. You're young, you have a great career, and it seems like you have a good head on your shoulders. Why waste your time with a pompous, arrogant, asshole? Love, you say? There's plenty of decent men out there you'll be able to love and who will return that love and respect. The more time you waste with him trying to put all the pieces together, the more time you're taking away from putting yourself out there for Mr. Right to find you.

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cdnmommy
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Default  Posted: 10:34 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I don't know honestly. I feel this need to take care of him. I know he's insecure, and he cries a lot. I feel this need to take him in my arms, and comfort him and make him feel loved.

I am going to be very blunt. You need to dump this guy, start working through this ^^^ (google co-dependency) with your IC, and when you are ready for a new relationship, look for someone who doesn't need you to feel secure, and who you can depend on to be there for you when you need it, just like you will be there for him when he needs it. Your WBF sounds like a child, and he will continue to sap energy from you.

My FWH, while in the A, was very much a taker, and I lean toward codependency so that period was a complete mess for me. I was trying so hard to be a supportive, better spouse and it fed right into his horrible treatment of me. Now, I have 15 years of pre-A history to tell me that his behavior was somewhat of an anomaly, but without that, I think I would have thrown in the towel, with or without a child to consider. You are only 28 and your whole relationship with this manchild has involved him cheating. You don't need to help him. It is not your job, and it will not pay off. He is looking for you to handle this, as evidenced by his email, and as long as he has the expectation that YOU should get over this because HE has answered some questions, he is not remorseful.

Please get angry about this. It will serve you well.


Me: BW
DDay: Oct 2010 + 6 weeks false R
2.5 (+?) year A with married coworker/my "friend"
1 great kid.
Reconciling and healing

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outtanowhere
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Default  Posted: 10:37 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lonelygirl,

I have a daughter your age who endured a very toxic relationship with a bf for almost 3 years. It broke my heart to see such a beautiful, young woman who had so much potential & love to offer, be demeaned and disrespected over & over again in the name of "love".

It is obvious that you love this man otherwise, you would not be doing all the work to R. Granted, he has thrown you a few bones such as answer a few questions, go to a few MC sessions, etc. Just enough to keep your hopes up that he will come around.

You are walking on eggshells around him. On top if the pain & outrage I can only imagine you imploding. He cheated on you. He disrespected you and you are so afraid of losing him that you cater to his insecurities and coddle him denying your own very real needs. Obviously he sees no reason to rock the boat since he is receiving this kind of attention from you.

Honey, you are obviously an intelligence woman but, I feel like you may be having trouble seeing the forest for the trees. What is it about this man that makes you want to hold on so tightly? What does your future look like with him? What I see in your posts is someone who is allowing her needs to be denied and seems to not value herself enough to demand otherwise. I can tell you that after my Dday 5 months ago I did a lot of the same things you are describing. I get so angry at myself now when I think of the times he blameshifted & I fell for it. I soothed him & gently tried to coax him into telling me the information I was dying for as he TT'd me to death. I was so afraid he would actually leave & I wasn't ready for that. It finally occurred to me how violated I had been and things changed dramatically. I had to know what happened in MY life, I was going to find out and if he wanted to leave, then so be it. He has never even indicated that he would but he told me later that he didn't really have anywhere to go. I got mad & he got the message. We are working hard & have a VERY long way to go & I can tell you without hesitation one thing. If I could walk away without shattering so many lives, I would.

Forgive me if I'm off base here but, could it be possible that your friends are not supportive because they have listened to your many struggles & you have stayed in this relationship against their better judgement? As was the case with my daughter, her friends remained at her side but, simply told her they were tired of hearing about it.

You have stated that your IC has advised you to leave as well. Gently, are you seeing a pattern here?

Please sweetie, start thinking about yourself because clearly, he isn't. BTW, my daughter found a wonderful man 5 years ago who treats her like a queen and she is absolutely thriving! Be kind to yourself! Hugs & strength being sent to you!


BS - 57
SAWH - 60 multiple encounters with prostitutes and other sex workers
Married 37 years
Dday - 2/19/13 - found the emails
He promised me Heaven then put me thru hell

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uncertainone
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I don't know honestly. I feel this need to take care of him. I know he's insecure, and he cries a lot. I feel this need to take him in my arms, and comfort him and make him feel loved.

He's a "project" person. There are some people that just have this need to work on people. I've had several friends. They are completely uninterested unless they find men that need to be "fixed".

Spoiler alert. That NEVER ends well. NEVER. Trust me.

Work on yourself. You'll find that can be pretty work intensive. If you find time you can volunteer to be a big sister. The program matches kids to mentors for one on ones or group activities. Hugely rewarding and can help "us" stop making "that guy" (or girl).


Me: 37

'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth


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Default  Posted: 10:45 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What reason did your counselor give you when she said you should leave the relationship?

My perspective is that you're 28 years young, with a kickass job at that, and this loser cheated on you TWO TIMES in the first YEAR you were together. You mentioned in another post that he is insecure that you will leave him. Mmmm Hmmm. He SHOULD be insecure. You don't need his ass and he is treating you with appalling disrespect. He stabbed your back twice and now is getting pissed off at you for bleeding on the carpet. Just who exactly does he think he is?

180 means detach from him. Find your self-worth from YOU, not from your relationship or from you. Get some distance and perspective, away from him and his crazy. And - this:

your personality drives you to know every little detail.

I heard this almost verbatim from my husband when he was in his "full of shit and lying his ass off" phase. It's not your personality. It's a natural reaction to the trauma he put you through. My H called me crazy so many times. When he finally pulled his head out of his ass, he told me that he NEVER thought I was crazy - that he was just trying to deflect the heat off himself! He doesn't like being questioned because it makes him feel bad. Well, I bet being cheated on made you feel bad too. Only difference is that you didn't do anything wrong to put yourself in that position. So he makes it about YOUR personality? Bullshit. Sorry to be so blunt. I just know how you feel because I had that same variety of shit sandwich served to me.

((HUGS))


We're both in our 30s. One awesome 4-year-old daughter.

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I'm married now ... to a great guy but before that I bad many, many bad apples and finally the bad apple that lead me here to this website ... and forever changed how I view, well everything.

The thing is, now that I'm married, I can see it's a lot harder to get out of something like a legal marriage than a relationship. I see now how I tortures myself and made it so hard on myself to get away from my WBF. When really, it's so simple to just walk away and then put the pieces back together in your own time and own way.

You're not married to this man so I say YAY for you and boy did you dodge a bullet. He has set it up as such that if you DID marry him he would be on trial or at least under the microscope forever. It's just something that we ALL do, it has nothing to do with you being an attorney. Everyone here will tell you, if they chose to stay, it's a new normal. Nothing is ever the same, you never trus the same. NEVER. and why should you?

So I think as painful as it is, you should listen to your counselor and hit the road. When I look back on how I acted, cried, screamed and made myself look like a fool in front of this man .. it all stroked his ego, I just CRINGE.

If I were your BFF no way would you let me treat myself this way or him treat me this way. Look at his letter. It's like he's doing you a favor staying with you ... I mean WHATEVER.

Give him the heave ho and then we'll all be around to lift you up afterwards!!!


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My screen name is: Am I The Ow? - Not Ami the OW.

Because in my situation I didn't know if I was the OW at first or if I was being cheated on. Found I was being cheated on.


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Default  Posted: 10:50 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

All together, we have been together 1.5 years now

Please pack and leave.

He is a cheater, very manipulative and a liar.

Do this for you. You have not been "together" for a year and a half, he has never been together.

Don't engage with him further, it will end in frustration and sadness for you. You cannot fix him. You cannot love him into being a good man. He isn't worthy of your time and he certainly does not deserve the energy you are spending on him.

(((hugs)))

Demand better. Stand tall and walk away, knowing you did nothing wrong here.


ďAnd the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossomĒ
AnaÔs Nin
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Him: 47
Dday 8/2007
We have R'd

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When I look back on how I acted, cried, screamed and made myself look like a fool in front of this man .. it all stroked his ego, I just CRINGE.

I feel the same way about the man I dated before DH. It was so HARD for me at the time, when I look back now I wonder what I was ever doing with somebody like that, and why I didn't RUN away the first time he let his mask slip.

There's better out there for you, Lonelygirl. And being by your awesome self is better than being abused by this guy who doesn't deserve you.


We're both in our 30s. One awesome 4-year-old daughter.

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Hi lonely,

From what you described your 1.5 yr. relationship, it sounds like he's shown you who he is most of the entire time.

His emails, words, and behaviors will only hurt you. Do the NC, and I wouldn't read the emails, texts etc. It's just pain going into your brain. Protect yourself.

And your detailism?? I am detailed by profession and have to be or I'd not have my job this long, I see it in other personal things to a lesser degree. People who belittle it don't have a clue what I've seen and been thru in life that have made my nerves so aware and survive. I have come to appreciate this part of me much more lately. Plus, you will forever be this way because of what he's done and doing to you. He's bullying you, IMO. And bullying you when you're down to boot.

I have had to give up plenty of relationships that didn't work out when I was your age. And now I'm seeing that my xwf had some serious character flaws that at his age were not going to go away in this lifetime.


I am sorry for all your pain. Please take care of yourself, drink fluids, eat, walk, read and post here.

A big hug for you.


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sadandtrying
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Default  Posted: 11:11 AM, July 19th (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I agree with those who kindly but firmly say "GO"
....while you are still young, unmarried, without children, and can devote some time to getting to know yourself and uncover your need to take care of a man....

When the dust settles, you will attract a mature man into your life who wants to share his life with you, an equal, who is interested in you & your skills and expertise, and does not need "fixing".

Wishing you the best!


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